Coach Claeys Job Security Poll post Purdue

[GopherBulldog]

Claeys is 100% safe. But why this thread? We are 7 and f-ing 2! In contention for the West title. People should be praying that we finish the season strong, three brand new coaches continue to gel (both in coaching and recruiting), a very young team builds on its success and this program reaches sustainable new heights. Instead, this?! Please people, stop the insanity. It's stupid. And, as a fan of this program, embaressingly naive that some savior is going to drop from the heavens and be the messiah for this (7-2) team. Did I mention they are 7-2?

 

[Pompous Elitist]

Going on wins and losses in a vacuum is naive IMO. Serious question, if we had Michigan and Ohio State on the schedule this year, and had dropped a non-con vs a tough team and were sitting at 5-4 or 4-5, with how the team has looked (penalties, miscommunications leading to pick 6s, etc) would you guys be as strident?

Be honest.

For the record, based on the defense alone I think they should get more chances although I have my concerns. The offensive staff needs a shakeup and needs to get a lot better for us to be a top tier team.

 

[Sparlimb]

Claeys is 100% safe. But why this thread? We are 7 and f-ing 2! In contention for the West title. People should be praying that we finish the season strong, three brand new coaches continue to gel (both in coaching and recruiting), a very young team builds on its success and this program reaches sustainable new heights. Instead, this?! Please people, stop the insanity. It's stupid. And, as a fan of this program, embaressingly naive that some savior is going to drop from the heavens and be the messiah for this (7-2) team. Did I mention they are 7-2?

The thread itself wasn't posted with any purpose other than seeing where his security lies. If you believe it's a no-brainer and it's 100%, vote so. I posted it this week because the season is taking a turn (for the harder) starting next week. I figure we'll see where the next 3 weeks gets us and look again. 7-5 won't garner as many 100% votes, but 10-2 and 9-3 would obviously be incredibly secure. I'd also argue the record this year isn't the only component. We have a new AD who didn't pick this first time coach and we have issues on the team with off the field behavior. That all factors in to some point. Art Briles wasn't fired because he didn't win enough...

 

[Spoofin]

It's not an odd discussion when you look at the next 3 opponents and you look at how this offense has been playing. The Gophers have been getting handed gift after gift this season. If Tommy Armstrong can't go that would be another huge gift. Otherwise I don't know what says to people we'll have a decent chance to beat any of the last 3. I think the Nebraska line would be about 11 with Armstrong.


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I love this argument. What a tool.

We lose = we suck.
We win = we got lucky/a gift.

Why you torture yourself by watching a team that you are so disappointed in or spend so much time on a message board discussing them is a mystery none of us can solve.


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[Oregon Gopher]

The thread itself wasn't posted with any purpose other than seeing where his security lies. If you believe it's a no-brainer and it's 100%, vote so. I posted it this week because the season is taking a turn (for the harder) starting next week. I figure we'll see where the next 3 weeks gets us and look again. 7-5 won't garner as many 100% votes, but 10-2 and 9-3 would obviously be incredibly secure. I'd also argue the record this year isn't the only component. We have a new AD who didn't pick this first time coach and we have issues on the team with off the field behavior. That all factors in to some point. Art Briles wasn't fired because he didn't win enough...

No he wasn't- he was fired because he participated in a cover up- that has nothing to do with Claeys


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[fan of Ray Williams]

It's not an odd discussion when you look at the next 3 opponents and you look at how this offense has been playing. The Gophers have been getting handed gift after gift this season. If Tommy Armstrong can't go that would be another huge gift. Otherwise I don't know what says to people we'll have a decent chance to beat any of the last 3. I think the Nebraska line would be about 11 with Armstrong.


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Should the Gophers sit some players to even it up if Armstrong can't go?

The Twins shouldn't have been allowed to play the Tigers in '87. The pitching sucked. Should never have been allowed to keep playing. They were only 12 games above .500, starting pitching did not warrant them advancing, closer was over 4 ERA. To this day I just cannot believe people did not see that they were not going to advance.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

Should the Gophers sit some players to even it up if Armstrong can't go?

The Twins shouldn't have been allowed to play the Tigers in '87. The pitching sucked. Should never have been allowed to keep playing. They were only 12 games above .500, starting pitching did not warrant them advancing, closer was over 4 ERA. To this day I just cannot believe people did not see that they were not going to advance.

And if a committee had been involved they wouldn't have been given the opportunity. Gotta love a legitimate playoff system. That is what sports is all about.

 

[Sparlimb]

No he wasn't- he was fired because he participated in a cover up- that has nothing to do with Claeys

That's my point. All I'm saying is it isn't always about wins and losses.

 

[Mulligan]

Serious question, if we had Michigan and Ohio State on the schedule this year, and had dropped a non-con vs a tough team and were sitting at 5-4 or 4-5, with how the team has looked (penalties, miscommunications leading to pick 6s, etc) would you guys be as strident?

Um ... we don't ... we didn't ... and we aren't. If you want to play this stupid game, without the suspensions, we probably beat Penn State and are sitting at 8-1 and ranked somewhere. Serious question would there be this much angst?

 

[Pompous Elitist]

Um ... we don't ... we didn't ... and we aren't. If you want to play this stupid game, without the suspensions, we probably beat Penn State and are sitting at 8-1 and ranked somewhere. Serious question would there be this much angst?

You're in denial. And if PSU had been at full strength on defense we don't score as many points. They were really, really beat up and we missed an opportunity. End of story.

These exercises can go on all day. You can't have it both ways.

 

[HoustonTXGopher]

Claeys is 100% safe. But why this thread? We are 7 and f-ing 2! In contention for the West title. People should be praying that we finish the season strong, three brand new coaches continue to gel (both in coaching and recruiting), a very young team builds on its success and this program reaches sustainable new heights. Instead, this?! Please people, stop the insanity. It's stupid. And, as a fan of this program, embaressingly naive that some savior is going to drop from the heavens and be the messiah for this (7-2) team. Did I mention they are 7-2?

Agree 100%! These posters calling for Claeys job or even suggesting he is under fire are total and complete idiots! You just can't fix stupid!

 

[Go4]

Lot of time spent on something to asinine. Hope no one is dumb enough to vote.

it would have taken you less time to vote than it did to write your asinine post. but rock on bro!

 

[dpodoll68]

It's not an odd discussion when you look at the next 3 opponents and you look at how this offense has been playing. The Gophers have been getting handed gift after gift this season. If Tommy Armstrong can't go that would be another huge gift. Otherwise I don't know what says to people we'll have a decent chance to beat any of the last 3. I think the Nebraska line would be about 11 with Armstrong.


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How the offense has been playing? See the other thread. You aren't discussing how the offense has actually been playing, you're discussing the strawman you've constructed in your mind.

Saying that we don't have a decent chance to win any of the last three is another falsehood. We'll be double-digit dogs in both of the road games, but we'll be favored or slight dogs at worst against Northwestern.

 

[Spoofin]

Claeys is 100% safe. But why this thread? We are 7 and f-ing 2! In contention for the West title. People should be praying that we finish the season strong, three brand new coaches continue to gel (both in coaching and recruiting), a very young team builds on its success and this program reaches sustainable new heights. Instead, this?! Please people, stop the insanity. It's stupid. And, as a fan of this program, embaressingly naive that some savior is going to drop from the heavens and be the messiah for this (7-2) team. Did I mention they are 7-2?

7-2? Sounds like someone is accepting mediocrity. Our QB sucks. Focus there.


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[PMWinSTP]

I'd say it's warm and getting warmer. How the team plays does matter. Not just wins and losses. The question is whether Coyle will have a quick leash or let him try to grow into the job. Many factors will go into that decision.

Interesting take. Ferentz has basically averaged 7-5 in his 17+ years at Iowa, under 7 wins as a college HC. His teams have been ranked 6 times in his 21 years. Alvarez was about the same at WI. Fitz has averaged below 7 wins at NW.

In each case, those coaches teams rarely won big or did it in a flashy way.

 

[GopherBulldog]

The thread itself wasn't posted with any purpose other than seeing where his security lies. If you believe it's a no-brainer and it's 100%, vote so. I posted it this week because the season is taking a turn (for the harder) starting next week. I figure we'll see where the next 3 weeks gets us and look again. 7-5 won't garner as many 100% votes, but 10-2 and 9-3 would obviously be incredibly secure. I'd also argue the record this year isn't the only component. We have a new AD who didn't pick this first time coach and we have issues on the team with off the field behavior. That all factors in to some point. Art Briles wasn't fired because he didn't win enough...

Didn't mean to offend you in any way for starting the thread. I hope my position is obvious. And, thanks for starting the platform for me to express it. It's just crazy to me how many people are ready to drive the car off a cliff at any moment. After the last play of the first half against Purdue, it was time to lock the gates and set the place on fire. Our head coach is in over his head. Fire the first year defensive coordinator. Well, guess what. We held Purdue to three points in the second half. Moved the ball well thru the air. We are 7 - 2. Which isn't good enough (at f-ing Minnesota!) because it doesn't line up with some hypothetical scenario. Or, because our coach is too fat. Or, because the staff paid its dues at lower tier conferences and aren't college coaching Blue Bloods or big names. Jesus! Root for this team to do well. With the young talent and coaching staff they have, there's a chance it could lead to sustained succes. Or, believe there's some coaching mastermind that is going to materialize -- someone that's just been waiting for the head coaching job at Minnesota to open -- and lead us to the promised land. Amen!

 

[GopherBulldog]

7-2? Sounds like someone is accepting mediocrity. Our QB sucks. Focus there.


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I love you, man.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

Interesting take. Ferentz has basically averaged 7-5 in his 17+ years at Iowa, under 7 wins as a college HC. His teams have been ranked 6 times in his 21 years. Alvarez was about the same at WI. Fitz has averaged below 7 wins at NW.

In each case, those coaches teams rarely won big or did it in a flashy way.

I'm not sure why it's that interesting. I'm also not calling for him to be fired but not everyone is a die-hard Gophers fan. You have to try to see situations through the eyes of others.

1) Claeys does not have a track record of building success like Kill did, or an NFL coaching career, acolyte of a program legend etc.
2) Losing Big Ten record thus far. He is 5-6. If he goes 5-9 that is short of impressive considering the talent on this team. See #4 below.
3) No signature wins thus far.
4) Sloppy team play throughout most of the season with some questionable coaching decisions.
5) Beneficiary of an historically weak schedule
6) Lacks leadership charisma. Sorry, but true. He needs to out-coach the other guys and prove he can get his team to win big games. So far O-fer. I thought he'd be better.
7) His buyout is ridiculous.
8) Coyle did not hire him. Does Coyle view him as an interim due to the Flat/Mega Tongue situation?
9) Large dip in season ticket sales and attendance this season. Will Coyle want to generate excitement going forward if the team belly flops the remainder of 2016?
10) Off the field stuff. Not just the investigation. How is he viewed at the department. Do he and Coyle get along. Does Coyle think he has what it takes to be the face of our team? Yes this stuff matters.

I'd say 4,5,6, 7, and 9 are the most damning right now. If the team nosedives through the rest of the season/bowl game all bets are off IMO. Sentiment can change and get ugly very, very fast if the wheels really come off. As I've said numerous times I'd like to see him back (I love our defense) but I understand the arguments against. Sometimes it's a business decision, wanting to go a different direction.

 

[Mick Turition]

He needs to win one more or he should get fired. This is the easiest schedule the Gophers will EVER have. Lucky for Claeys he'll get a chance to win a bowl game which could be enough to save his job.

Win ONE more. Beat a team that has a winning record, it's not that much to ask. They will never, never, never have an easier schedule than they have this year.

 

[dpodoll68]

He needs to win one more or he should get fired. This is the easiest schedule the Gophers will EVER have. Lucky for Claeys he'll get a chance to win a bowl game which could be enough to save his job.

Win ONE more. Beat a team that has a winning record, it's not that much to ask. They will never, never, never have an easier schedule than they have this year.

Indiana St., Colorado St., and Maryland all had winning records when we beat them.

 

[Some Day...Is Coming!]

Matt Rhule?


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[kisarazu]

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2) Losing Big Ten record thus far. He is 5-7. If he goes 5-10 that is short of impressive considering the talent on this team. See #4 below. ...

HC Tracy Claeys Record
Hired November 11, 2015

@#5 Iowa----40-35----L
Illinois--------32-23 ---W
Wisky---------31-21----L
CMU----------21-14----W
Oregon St----30-23----W
Indiana St----58-28----W
CSU-----------31-24----W
@PSU---------29-26OT-L
Iowa----------14-7------L
@Maryland---31-10----W
Rutgers-------34-32----W
@Illinois------40-17----W
Purdue--------44-31----W

Claeys' Big Ten record as HC is 5-4.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

HC Tracy Claeys Record
Hired November 11, 2015

@#5 Iowa----40-35----L
Illinois--------32-23 ---W
Wisky---------31-21----L
CMU----------21-14----W
Oregon St----30-23----W
Indiana St----58-28----W
CSU-----------31-24----W
@PSU---------29-26OT-L
Iowa----------14-7------L
@Maryland---31-10----W
Rutgers-------34-32----W
@Illinois------40-17----W
Purdue--------44-31----W

Claeys' Big Ten record as HC is 5-4.

Kill retired October 28th. Claeys was the coach from Michigan onward, interim tag or not. Semantics. If he had beat Michigan and Ohio State would he get the credit. Ummbetcha!

So yes, 5-7 as the head guy. All that changed was his salary.

 

[Oregon Gopher]

Kill retired October 28th. Claeys was the coach from Michigan onward, interim tag or not. Semantics. If he had beat Michigan and Ohio State would he get the credit. Ummbetcha!

So yes, 5-7 as the head guy. All that changed was his salary.

If you include the short week that Tracy had to prepare as HC for Michigan he is 5-6. 4-2 this year and 1-4 last year


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[kisarazu]

Kill retired October 28th. Claeys was the coach from Michigan onward, interim tag or not. Semantics. If he had beat Michigan and Ohio State would he get the credit. Ummbetcha!

So yes, 5-7 as the head guy. All that changed was his salary.

Had they won Michigan and OSU, I would have credited Kill with the victory. It might be semantics, but it's the truth. Interim heads are not responsible for current staff placements nor can they make unquestioned big and long-term decisions. At best, they are a substitute teacher, at worst they are a babysitter.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

Well, I'm not going to argue too vociferously but I disagree. I think you're selling his position short. He was in charge of the game prep, in-game decisions, discipline...he was the coach. If we want to absolve all responsibility/credit for 2015 since he stepped into a ready-made situation I suppose that's acceptable from a certain point of view. I question your assertion that if he had closed the deal on Michigan if most would credit Claeys or Kill.

 

[kisarazu]

Well, I'm not going to argue too vociferously but I disagree. I think you're selling his position short. He was in charge of the game prep, in-game decisions, discipline...he was the coach. If we want to absolve all responsibility/credit for 2015 since he stepped into a ready-made situation I suppose that's acceptable from a certain point of view. I question your assertion that if he had closed the deal on Michigan if most would credit Claeys or Kill.

I would never absolve all responsibility, nor would I ever give Claeys full credit for winning/losing games (during that no HC period). Perhaps it's one of those asterisk stats moments. Even though I stand by my point, I can't argue about where most credit would have gone (had we won UM/OSU/WI).

 

[Tackle4loss]

Claeys is the HC of a team that he had 0 to do with selecting the offense. give him a chance man.

 

[Maverick]

Kill retired October 28th. Claeys was the coach from Michigan onward, interim tag or not. Semantics. If he had beat Michigan and Ohio State would he get the credit. Ummbetcha!

So yes, 5-7 as the head guy. All that changed was his salary.

So you're saying he is as good as Mason was.... ok.

 

[gopherhoopsguy]

No chance he is fired! Do we have the dumbest fans in college football? Probably