Claudin Cherelus Commits to Gophers!

[Unregistered User]

The true determinant of the Kill era will be, given the conference schedule, the BIG W/L the first of December.
That is the only true test of recruiting and player development.

Then maybe you should be in a K-State forum. Kill no longer works here. His "era" is over.

 

[Killjoy]

Killjoy...just research the 3 sights. Rating wise, he is a low 2 star on 247. Not rated on Rivals as yet. Like I said, if I'm wrong you can burn me. I just don't feel like we're getting results on the National level. Closing the borders we've been very good.

Ruppert - If you read this article you may begin to understand how and why Minnesota recruits the ways it does.

Glasscock named by national recruiting analyst Tom Lemming as one of the five national directors of operations of the year in 2014, Glasscock oversees the Gophers’ recruiting staff and coordinates official visits and walk-on recruiting.

“Recruiting departments have exploded, and I was fortunate enough to be in on the beginning of it,” he said. “You can watch thousands of kids without leaving your desk. We watch 15,000 to 18,000 kids for every recruiting class to sign 22 of them. You better have a lot of guys doing that.”

Glasscock and the Gophers take pride in finding the diamonds in the rough. Of the 44 players currently on Minnesota’s two deep depth chart, the Gophers were the only school among the Power Five conferences to even offer a scholarship to 34 of them.

“We don’t get caught up in what everybody else is doing. I don’t need anybody to validate my decision,” said Glasscock. “Of the 2015 active NFL rosters, 33 percent did not play in Power Five conferences. We want to live in that 33 percent world. We would rather be in recruiting battles we’re going to dominate instead of fighting the whole Big Ten.”

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/co...cle_8f99df4d-5b21-57d3-a23a-dc2fa30066a0.html

Star rankings have been discussed here way too many times so I am not going to go down that rabbit hole. People are entitled to their beliefs but I prefer have mine based on sound analytics. By the way, have you read "Money Ball"?

 

[dpodoll68]

websites that never really evaluate most of the midlevel talent kids in the country

False.

 

[nsmike]

It's not that the recruiting services don't evaluate mid level kids it's when they do it. In states that have a lot of talent the smaller schools and less productive areas get evaluated last. If you identify these kids early and offer first it can go a long way towards winning recruiting battles. It doesn't always work, we lost Nate Andrews to FSU, but being first counts.

 

[Spoofin]

You're right, we should just restrict our recruiting to what the ratings are from those websites that never really evaluate most of the midlevel talent kids in the country. It is foolish to waste all of the coaches time and travel costs involved in doing our own evaluations when they can get all the information they need for a few hundred bucks by subscribing to those websites! Just think, we could spend the money we save on some real cool stuff, like maybe sparkly unicorn stickers for the player's helmets.


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Actually, I think Brewster tried that approach.


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[John Galt]

Ruppert - If you read this article you may begin to understand how and why Minnesota recruits the ways it does.

Glasscock named by national recruiting analyst Tom Lemming as one of the five national directors of operations of the year in 2014, Glasscock oversees the Gophers’ recruiting staff and coordinates official visits and walk-on recruiting.

“Recruiting departments have exploded, and I was fortunate enough to be in on the beginning of it,” he said. “You can watch thousands of kids without leaving your desk. We watch 15,000 to 18,000 kids for every recruiting class to sign 22 of them. You better have a lot of guys doing that.”

Glasscock and the Gophers take pride in finding the diamonds in the rough. Of the 44 players currently on Minnesota’s two deep depth chart, the Gophers were the only school among the Power Five conferences to even offer a scholarship to 34 of them.

“We don’t get caught up in what everybody else is doing. I don’t need anybody to validate my decision,” said Glasscock. “Of the 2015 active NFL rosters, 33 percent did not play in Power Five conferences. We want to live in that 33 percent world. We would rather be in recruiting battles we’re going to dominate instead of fighting the whole Big Ten.”

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/co...cle_8f99df4d-5b21-57d3-a23a-dc2fa30066a0.html

Star rankings have been discussed here way too many times so I am not going to go down that rabbit hole. People are entitled to their beliefs but I prefer have mine based on sound analytics. By the way, have you read "Money Ball"?

So our recruiting philosophy has worked.... up to a point. With the current staff and this approach, we should win 5-8 games almost every year. The Kill/Claeys era has currently peaked at 8 wins. In my opinion, if we want a 10 win season and the chance to compete for the West title around 50% of the time , we need to win a handful of the national recruiting battles. I'm not saying that we (or any B1G school for that matter) are going to pull kids out of the south consistently that have multiple SEC offers. But we do need to consistently compete for out-state talent against P5 schools. Demetrius Douglas is a prime example of the type of player we need to land. His dad was a gopher, he grew up in Minnesota, and was a really good recruit with multiple P5 offers. I don't think a roster full of out-state players with offers from UMass and Samford is going to get us to the level where we all want to be.

 

[HoustonTXGopher]

So our recruiting philosophy has worked.... up to a point. With the current staff and this approach, we should win 5-8 games almost every year. The Kill/Claeys era has currently peaked at 8 wins. In my opinion, if we want a 10 win season and the chance to compete for the West title around 50% of the time , we need to win a handful of the national recruiting battles. I'm not saying that we (or any B1G school for that matter) are going to pull kids out of the south consistently that have multiple SEC offers. But we do need to consistently compete for out-state talent against P5 schools. Demetrius Douglas is a prime example of the type of player we need to land. His dad was a gopher, he grew up in Minnesota, and was a really good recruit with multiple P5 offers. I don't think a roster full of out-state players with offers from UMass and Samford is going to get us to the level where we all want to be.

It starts by winning that first national recruiting battle. Imagine a home grown kid that is wanted by Minnesota but is also offered by the likes of Ohio St. and Oregon. You have to win the first battle before you can win the second and I believe Carter Coughlin is going to become one of the best things that ever happened to the Gopher football program. I believe he is going to help bring future highly touted players from the state to our campus and really restore the pride of Gopher football with the in state kids. Go Gophers!

 

[John Galt]

It starts by winning that first national recruiting battle. Imagine a home grown kid that is wanted by Minnesota but is also offered by the likes of Ohio St. and Oregon. You have to win the first battle before you can win the second and I believe Carter Coughlin is going to become one of the best things that ever happened to the Gopher football program. I believe he is going to help bring future highly touted players from the state to our campus and really restore the pride of Gopher football with the in state kids. Go Gophers!

Like I've said before, this staff has dominated at keeping in-state talent home. Coughlin, Jeff Jones, Pirsig, Andries, Andre McDonald, Tyler Johnson, etc etc etc. At this point, I'm not sure Nick Saban could do a better job of keeping in-state talent at home. But if we're going to take the next step imo, we need to win some additional regional and national recruiting battles.

 

[bemidjigopher]

I get the feeling some of you dismiss recruits with the consensus high ratings of the services and these same players being chased by Alabama, Michigan, Ohio St, Florida St etc saying they don't matter or that somehow therefore all the ratings are fallacy just because we aren't seemingly able to recruit those players. I agree what makes us competitive is the ability of our staff to identify and develop lesser recruited players. And according to Glasscock, it is our philosophy. I think the point is...if we can develop lesser recruited athletes to compete....we could become a power if we could add some higher rated athletes and develop them to an even higher level.

I think all Ruppert is saying is that it would be nice to see us compete in recruiting versus settling for what we can more easily get.

We seem to cling to the idea we never have been able to and we never will be able to...it was good enough for me or my kids, it's good enough for you now too...that whole woe is me limiting attitude.

That's all fine and good, but you have to win to get that next tier of recruits to notice you on a national level, and we have competed with P5 schools on some of the recruits, such as Campbell and Cobb who are now in the NFL. We also had Nate Andrew's locked up before Jimbo Fisher swooped in last second. Imagine having him with Travis at safety this season, it just shows we do a good job of identifying players before they blow up. The JUCO linemen we brought in last class had P5 offers as well

 

[Plinnius]

That's all fine and good, but you have to win to get that next tier of recruits to notice you on a national level, and we have competed with P5 schools on some of the recruits, such as Campbell and Cobb who are now in the NFL. We also had Nate Andrew's locked up before Jimbo Fisher swooped in last second. Imagine having him with Travis at safety this season, it just shows we do a good job of identifying players before they blow up. The JUCO linemen we brought in last class had P5 offers as well

There was no competition for Cobb. Cobb's first official visit to a P5 school was to Minnesota a week after signing day.

 

[dpodoll68]

There was no competition for Cobb. Cobb's first official visit to a P5 school was to Minnesota a week after signing day.

Depends on how you define competition. There was definitely mutual interest between Cobb and Stanford (including an offer being extended), but they were back to square one after Harbaugh left in the middle of the recruiting cycle. Shaw didn't show as much love as Harbaugh and Cobb opened things back up, which is why he ended up signing with the Gophers after signing day.

http://athlonsports.com/college-football/david-cobbs-late-arrival-paying-minnesota

 

[Plinnius]

Depends on how you define competition. There was definitely mutual interest between Cobb and Stanford (including an offer being extended), but they were back to square one after Harbaugh left in the middle of the recruiting cycle. Shaw didn't show as much love as Harbaugh and Cobb opened things back up, which is why he ended up signing with the Gophers after signing day.

http://athlonsports.com/college-football/david-cobbs-late-arrival-paying-minnesota

Given that:

--Harbaugh left for San Francisco on January 7th, 2011.
--Cobb supposedly received his Stanford offer no later than March 2010.
--Stanford had two running backs committed to them by June 18th.

I would infer that any committable offer from Stanford probably would have dried up well before Harbaugh left.

 

[alchemy2u]

I get the feeling some of you dismiss recruits with the consensus high ratings of the services and these same players being chased by Alabama, Michigan, Ohio St, Florida St etc saying they don't matter or that somehow therefore all the ratings are fallacy just because we aren't seemingly able to recruit those players. I agree what makes us competitive is the ability of our staff to identify and develop lesser recruited players. And according to Glasscock, it is our philosophy. I think the point is...if we can develop lesser recruited athletes to compete....we could become a power if we could add some higher rated athletes and develop them to an even higher level.

I think all Ruppert is saying is that it would be nice to see us compete in recruiting versus settling for what we can more easily get.

We seem to cling to the idea we never have been able to and we never will be able to...it was good enough for me or my kids, it's good enough for you now too...that whole woe is me limiting attitude.

It does not come from a woe is me attitude. The article eludes to it, but the best information comes from the interview that Glasscock did last year. Their recruitment is dependent upon finding the late bloomers and knowing the skill sets needed for each position. They are not under the delusion that they can coach players with less talent and beat anybody. They just pride themselves their ability to judge talent and tryout players at positions that may be better suited for their talents.

Of course that doesn't give you the talent to compete every year with the top programs that are loaded 4/5 star recruits. But it can get you into the top level of the B1G. Hopefully, then you can attract more of the 4/5 star players. If we consistently compete with Nebraska, Sconny, etc... We should be able to attract just as good recruits as them.


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[olddoc]

When does it get you to the top level of the BIG and competing and winning are two different things.

 

[Sparlimb]

It does not come from a woe is me attitude. The article eludes to it, but the best information comes from the interview that Glasscock did last year. Their recruitment is dependent upon finding the late bloomers and knowing the skill sets needed for each position. They are not under the delusion that they can coach players with less talent and beat anybody. They just pride themselves their ability to judge talent and tryout players at positions that may be better suited for their talents.

Of course that doesn't give you the talent to compete every year with the top programs that are loaded 4/5 star recruits. But it can get you into the top level of the B1G. Hopefully, then you can attract more of the 4/5 star players. If we consistently compete with Nebraska, Sconny, etc... We should be able to attract just as good recruits as them.

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Cobb was an NFL back. Can't argue that. Stanford would have done well with him. I'll always be happy for his time here.

 

[btowngopher]

Ruppert - If you read this article you may begin to understand how and why Minnesota recruits the ways it does.

Glasscock named by national recruiting analyst Tom Lemming as one of the five national directors of operations of the year in 2014, Glasscock oversees the Gophers’ recruiting staff and coordinates official visits and walk-on recruiting.

“Recruiting departments have exploded, and I was fortunate enough to be in on the beginning of it,” he said. “You can watch thousands of kids without leaving your desk. We watch 15,000 to 18,000 kids for every recruiting class to sign 22 of them. You better have a lot of guys doing that.”

Glasscock and the Gophers take pride in finding the diamonds in the rough. Of the 44 players currently on Minnesota’s two deep depth chart, the Gophers were the only school among the Power Five conferences to even offer a scholarship to 34 of them.

“We don’t get caught up in what everybody else is doing. I don’t need anybody to validate my decision,” said Glasscock. “Of the 2015 active NFL rosters, 33 percent did not play in Power Five conferences. We want to live in that 33 percent world. We would rather be in recruiting battles we’re going to dominate instead of fighting the whole Big Ten.”

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/co...cle_8f99df4d-5b21-57d3-a23a-dc2fa30066a0.html

Star rankings have been discussed here way too many times so I am not going to go down that rabbit hole. People are entitled to their beliefs but I prefer have mine based on sound analytics. By the way, have you read "Money Ball"?

There aren't any Power5 teams finishing in the top25 with any kind of consistency that don't recruit top 40 classes on the regular.

 

[Some guy]

It is concerning if they want to live in that 33% world considering that 33% world's record against the 66%.


If we were trying our best to develop a couple of pros that would be an okay strategy. Trying to win games we will see. I am actually pretty optimistic about this season because I have great faith in a new offense (that I haven't seen)

 

[Lordshawesome]

Shouldn't this be in a different thread? We aren't talking about our new commit anymore & are just talking about rankings.

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[minibeaver]

It is concerning if they want to live in that 33% world considering that 33% world's record against the 66%.

If we were trying our best to develop a couple of pros that would be an okay strategy. Trying to win games we will see. I am actually pretty optimistic about this season because I have great faith in a new offense (that I haven't seen)

We live there as long as we have to, and not a second more. We don't need to win forever on that 33%, but string together one or two seasons good enough to recruit that next level guy.

 

[Some guy]

Pretty amazing though, they aren't saying we want to compete with Wake Forests and Indianas...they're saying we are trying to compete with Memphis, Fresno, and Mac.

 

[salzie]

We live there as long as we have to, and not a second more. We don't need to win forever on that 33%, but string together one or two seasons good enough to recruit that next level guy.

If we're finding nfl guys where others aren't and succeeding why change

 

[stocker08]

Pretty amazing though, they aren't saying we want to compete with Wake Forests and Indianas...they're saying we are trying to compete with Memphis, Fresno, and Mac.

Actually.....they are saying that they get to pick and choose the guys that Memphis, Fresno, and the MAC compete with each other for.

 

[minibeaver]

If we're finding nfl guys where others aren't and succeeding why change

Well, I'd say we are doing a decent job of finding sleepers, but we can agree we need more talent. I think once we get a couple 8+ win seasons under our belt we can up the talent that we recruit. That, in conjunction with finding those under the radar guys, should help us to climb the B1G ladder some. I don't think that we can improve significantly and be consistent just by finding those diamonds in the rough.

 

[Some guy]

Actually.....they are saying that they get to pick and choose the guys that Memphis, Fresno, and the MAC compete with each other for.

They are implying that. What they are literally saying is that they don't want to compete.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Shouldn't this be in a different thread? We aren't talking about our new commit anymore & are just talking about rankings.

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I'm concerned we don't have enough Noodles & Company stores on campus...

 

[Jack jones]

Name of the Year, hands down.

I see that the big defensive tackle from West Union Iowa who committed, deco minted like about 3 times to Iowa has moved to Wisconsin to play his Senior year. If you remember, he was the young man who followed his Dad to a half-way house in Iowa. When his Dad was released, he spent the weekend in Chicago was subsequently shot by so old acquaintance. The kid then moved in with football coach(ala Blindside). Don't think the coach moved to Wis. but the kid is listed as being from Wis. I think I read somewhere where he had committed to Indiana.

 

[GopherHomer]

Pretty amazing though, they aren't saying we want to compete with Wake Forests and Indianas...they're saying we are trying to compete with Memphis, Fresno, and Mac.

1. would you trade our success with Indiana and Wake Forest?
2. you're right, we should just take recruits away from Ohio State and Michigan.

You get what you get - we are very successful considering what we have to choose from considering our instate 'talent' and facilities. In a couple years we will be on par with the bottom third of the Big10 and can maybe compete with the powerhouses you reference. This site is getting just ridiculous with people thinking we will ever be one of the top programs in the conference. Be happy with bowl games or go star f*ck with a different program. I mean our program had to stick its tail between its legs and go back on a ticket increase because our lame-ass fans couldn't handle it. People here continually hypothesize why the Gophers aren't more successful and they tend to blame the administration - most of the blame lands squarely on the fans. We are not eager enough - or wealthy enough - to support a winner. If we demanded it financially, it would happen. The University of Minnesota is an AMAZING institution that can compete nationally in any respect for which it is supported.

I already know the hate this post will illicit. I am as much part of the problem as anyone - I don't give any money to the program...but I don't expect them to be better than 6-6 every year. You get what you deserve as a fanbase. We are mediocre and so is our team.

 

[JoeDirt]

1. would you trade our success with Indiana and Wake Forest?
2. you're right, we should just take recruits away from Ohio State and Michigan.

You get what you get - we are very successful considering what we have to choose from considering our instate 'talent' and facilities. In a couple years we will be on par with the bottom third of the Big10 and can maybe compete with the powerhouses you reference. This site is getting just ridiculous with people thinking we will ever be one of the top programs in the conference. Be happy with bowl games or go star f*ck with a different program. I mean our program had to stick its tail between its legs and go back on a ticket increase because our lame-ass fans couldn't handle it. People here continually hypothesize why the Gophers aren't more successful and they tend to blame the administration - most of the blame lands squarely on the fans. We are not eager enough - or wealthy enough - to support a winner. If we demanded it financially, it would happen. The University of Minnesota is an AMAZING institution that can compete nationally in any respect for which it is supported.

I already know the hate this post will illicit. I am as much part of the problem as anyone - I don't give any money to the program...but I don't expect them to be better than 6-6 every year. You get what you deserve as a fanbase. We are mediocre and so is our team.

You're right. Nice post.

 

[Deckergopher]

You're right. Nice post.

Ya I was thinking the same when I read it.

 

[HoustonTXGopher]

1. would you trade our success with Indiana and Wake Forest?
2. you're right, we should just take recruits away from Ohio State and Michigan.

You get what you get - we are very successful considering what we have to choose from considering our instate 'talent' and facilities. In a couple years we will be on par with the bottom third of the Big10 and can maybe compete with the powerhouses you reference. This site is getting just ridiculous with people thinking we will ever be one of the top programs in the conference. Be happy with bowl games or go star f*ck with a different program. I mean our program had to stick its tail between its legs and go back on a ticket increase because our lame-ass fans couldn't handle it. People here continually hypothesize why the Gophers aren't more successful and they tend to blame the administration - most of the blame lands squarely on the fans. We are not eager enough - or wealthy enough - to support a winner. If we demanded it financially, it would happen. The University of Minnesota is an AMAZING institution that can compete nationally in any respect for which it is supported.

I already know the hate this post will illicit. I am as much part of the problem as anyone - I don't give any money to the program...but I don't expect them to be better than 6-6 every year. You get what you deserve as a fanbase. We are mediocre and so is our team.

Amen!