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[mnsports1]

Saul, what does the poll say?



Most of us want to see the Gophers win, but the poll doesn't give that option without Flubby coming back. That's the fault of the poller, not the person voting.

There should be another options such as: Flubby comes back as head coach, but must give all offensive reigns over to a superior offensive coach who refuses to allow the team to keep playing "Hold the ball and stand" offense", which Flubby seems to teach. We bring in a great up and coming assistant who can be the predecessor to Flubby and I'd acquiesce to Flubby having his job for one more year.

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[tinyarch]

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Would Heir Apparent work better?

 

[lakesgopher]

Saul, what does the poll say?



Most of us want to see the Gophers win, but the poll doesn't give that option without Flubby coming back. That's the fault of the poller, not the person voting.

There should be another options such as: Flubby comes back as head coach, but must give all offensive reigns over to a superior offensive coach who refuses to allow the team to keep playing "Hold the ball and stand" offense", which Flubby seems to teach. We bring in a great up and coming assistant who can be the heir apparent to Flubby and I'd acquiesce to Flubby having his job for one more year.

i know what it says, it would be great if gopher fans would act like legitimate fans instead of vikings fans. our fanbase is a joke most of the time. tiny, youre the leader of the dbag bandwagon fans.

 

[tinyarch]

i know what it says, it would be great if gopher fans would act like legitimate fans instead of vikings fans. our fanbase is a joke most of the time. tiny, youre the leader of the dbag bandwagon fans.

Coming from you, I'll take that as a badge of honor. It's called passionately wanting what is best for the basketball program. Surely you can't make a strong argument for Flubby being the best for this program. We have a 6 year track record to go with. Only someone who sticks his head up Coach Smiths anal sphincter would be pining for him to keep coaching this program. So, Saul, cut the cord and take your head out from Coach Smith's butt cheeks and start supporting the University of Minnesota and the best interests of the program.

 

[DLguy]

i know what it says, it would be great if gopher fans would act like legitimate fans instead of vikings fans. our fanbase is a joke most of the time. tiny, youre the leader of the dbag bandwagon fans.

So you are cheering for awful teams the next few years? Because that is exactly what will happen if we keep Tubby. None of the teams are going to get any worse next year. And Purdue, Nebraska and Iowa will only improve. That leaves us at the bottom of the B1G. All because you want to keep a "coach". If we knew that Tubby would be fired no matter what, then I would be all about a deep run. Fortunetly for me, I can look at things long term. Like a real fan does. Not a bandwagon fan. A bandwagon fan only invests time and energy in a team when things are going good. A true fan has a deep passion for the school and teams and wants longterm success. Sorry I would rather have a chance to win a national championship within the next 5 years, then to see us win 1 or 2 games in this year's tourney.

 

[lakesgopher]

So you are cheering for awful teams the next few years? Because that is exactly what will happen if we keep Tubby. None of the teams are going to get any worse next year. And Purdue, Nebraska and Iowa will only improve. That leaves us at the bottom of the B1G. All because you want to keep a "coach". If we knew that Tubby would be fired no matter what, then I would be all about a deep run. Fortunetly for me, I can look at things long term. Like a real fan does. Not a bandwagon fan. A bandwagon fan only invests time and energy in a team when things are going good. A true fan has a deep passion for the school and teams and wants longterm success. Sorry I would rather have a chance to win a national championship within the next 5 years, then to see us win 1 or 2 games in this year's tourney.

I will cheer for the U no matter what. I don't cheer for coaches. I don't think tubby is back next year regardless of what happens in the tourney. So I'm going to enjoy the ride. If we are going to be bad next year with tubby I would bet will be bad with any coach next year

 

[lakesgopher]

Coming from you, I'll take that as a badge of honor. It's called passionately wanting what is best for the basketball program. Surely you can't make a strong argument for Flubby being the best for this program. We have a 6 year track record to go with. Only someone who sticks his head up Coach Smiths anal sphincter would be pining for him to keep coaching this program. So, Saul, cut the cord and take your head out from Coach Smith's butt cheeks and start supporting the University of Minnesota and the best interests of the program.

The fact u think u know more about basketball than tubby is hilarious. U pretending to be a gopher fan is annoying

I'm not responding to u anymore

 

[stocker08]

I agree it is shameful. In this scenerio where Tubby was truly playing one game for his job and with a win he stays and a loss he is gone I chose that I would prefer they lose. It isn't shameful, you even said that Tubby is not the answer meaning you would be fine with having another season of Tubby for 1 win.

You make it sound as if Tubby wants to lose and can choose to coach when he pleases. We haven't won a tournament game in over 10 years. You are a crummy fan if you want us to lose.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

I don't think it's as easy as "cheer for a Gopher loss and you're a Dbag".

The caveat of this question is the assumption that Tubby will for sure be gone with a loss. I think he's back regardless and therefore I will ALWAYS cheer for a Gopher win. However, because I don't think Tubby is the answer, I would gladly trade a loss in this tournament if it meant more wins down the road. It's like the Vikes - Redskins game of 2011. I was upset when they won that game. Why? It's the reason why RG3 is not our quarterback. It was nice to win, I'm a Vikings fan, but I think we'd get a lot more wins if RG3 was our QB instead of Ponder.

The Gopher fans who want Tubby gone would sacrifice this game on Friday because they think it would make the Gophers better in the future.

Let us rephrase the question, would you rather?
#1: Have the Gophers win, but never finish above .500 in the Big 10 conference in the next decade?
or
#2: Gophers lose and be a much better team in 2 years?

 

[stocker08]

Coming from you, I'll take that as a badge of honor. It's called passionately wanting what is best for the basketball program. Surely you can't make a strong argument for Flubby being the best for this program. We have a 6 year track record to go with. Only someone who sticks his head up Coach Smiths anal sphincter would be pining for him to keep coaching this program. So, Saul, cut the cord and take your head out from Coach Smith's butt cheeks and start supporting the University of Minnesota and the best interests of the program.

Way to have a narrow view of everything. Not surprising considering your religious views. What could an NCAA win or two do for the perception of this team? We have several great players coming out of the state in the next few years. You think a loss would be beneficial in the long term? Look, I think Tubby needs to go as well, but we made the tournament. This is the goal of every program. The regular season no longer matters. Every game starts zero to zero. We have seen it in the past and we may see it again this year. Damn near any team can fit the pieces together and make a run.

 

[GophersInIowa]

So you are cheering for awful teams the next few years? Because that is exactly what will happen if we keep Tubby. None of the teams are going to get any worse next year. And Purdue, Nebraska and Iowa will only improve. That leaves us at the bottom of the B1G.

Yes, no one else will get worse.

Michigan will be better next year without Trey Burke and possibly Hardaway. Ohio St. will be better without Thomas. Indiana will be better without Oladipo and Zeller.

All because you want to keep a "coach".

I'm not sure too many people who are cheering for the Gophers to win Friday and beyond are doing so because they want to keep Tubby.

If we knew that Tubby would be fired no matter what, then I would be all about a deep run.

No one knows for sure if he will be fired if we lose Friday either.

Fortunetly for me, I can look at things long term. Like a real fan does. Not a bandwagon fan. A bandwagon fan only invests time and energy in a team when things are going good.

I actually laughed out loud at this part. Who here thinks things are going good or great right now? This season has been a disappointment so far, pretty much everyone agrees with that.

A true fan has a deep passion for the school and teams and wants longterm success.

And wanting to win a game in the NCAA tournament shows you aren't passionate about your favorite team? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

Sorry I would rather have a chance to win a national championship within the next 5 years, then to see us win 1 or 2 games in this year's tourney.

So would just about everyone else. Losing Friday doesn't guarantee Tubby will be fired and/or we will improve in the next five years.

The thing is, it doesn't matter one way or another if you cheer for or against the Gophers. It won't affect the outcome of the game. The same can be said about your attitude towards Tubby. It will have no affect on the decision to bring him back or not. That's why I personally will just cheer for them as long as they are playing because they are my team.

 

[DLguy]

Way to have a narrow view of everything. Not surprising considering your religious views. What could an NCAA win or two do for the perception of this team? We have several great players coming out of the state in the next few years. You think a loss would be beneficial in the long term? Look, I think Tubby needs to go as well, but we made the tournament. This is the goal of every program. The regular season no longer matters. Every game starts zero to zero. We have seen it in the past and we may see it again this year. Damn near any team can fit the pieces together and make a run.

Not sure what his religious view has to do with anything.

Funny you mention the guys coming out of this state in the next couple of years. Tell me this. Are they more likely to commit if we win 2 games in the NCAA, or if we have a coach they will want to play for. The chance of getting those kids to play at the U increases the second Tubby leaves. You cannot tell me a top national recruit is going to watch games he coaches and say they want to play in that system. And the goal of this program should not be to make it to the NCAAs. Our goals should be much higher then that.

 

[lakesgopher]

Not sure what his religious view has to do with anything.

Funny you mention the guys coming out of this state in the next couple of years. Tell me this. Are they more likely to commit if we win 2 games in the NCAA, or if we have a coach they will want to play for. The chance of getting those kids to play at the U increases the second Tubby leaves. You cannot tell me a top national recruit is going to watch games he coaches and say they want to play in that system. And the goal of this program should not be to make it to the NCAAs. Our goals should be much higher then that.

How do u know we get a coach they want to play for?

 

[tinyarch]

The fact u think u know more about basketball than tubby is hilarious. U pretending to be a gopher fan is annoying

I'm not responding to u anymore

Let me speak for many others when I say HALLELUJAH!!!

 

[GopherDude]

Anyone saying they'd rather have us lose and Tubby leave is just dumb... You really want to see Trevor Mbakwe and Rodney Williams go out that way? I have hated on Tubby as much as everyone else but him leaving right after this year would not help us get any of the Big 3 recruits, and I want to see the Gophers win regardless of who the coach is! C'mon people, think about what you are saying! Does Tubby play an 11 man rotation that includes a few guys that are D2 basketball players? Yes. Is it painful to watch at times? Yes. But I still want the Gophers to win above all else!

 

[stocker08]

Not sure what his religious view has to do with anything.

Funny you mention the guys coming out of this state in the next couple of years. Tell me this. Are they more likely to commit if we win 2 games in the NCAA, or if we have a coach they will want to play for. The chance of getting those kids to play at the U increases the second Tubby leaves. You cannot tell me a top national recruit is going to watch games he coaches and say they want to play in that system. And the goal of this program should not be to make it to the NCAAs. Our goals should be much higher then that.

How do u know we get a coach they want to play for?

This. You are throwing out a big net, attempting to catch something with a 'maybe' attached to it. You have no idea that by firing Tubby, we will immediately hire a coach which all these great players would like to play for. Nothing but speculation. As for the religious thing.....probably shouldn't have mentioned that. It was a topic in the off-topic board in which narrow views of christianity reigned supreme.

 

[MNfootballfan]

Let us rephrase the question, would you rather?
#1: Have the Gophers win, but never finish above .500 in the Big 10 conference in the next decade?
or
#2: Gophers lose and be a much better team in 2 years?

Bob - you pose a great question. I would gladly have the Gophers lose the game Friday night if it meant in the future (next 2-5 years) we would be more successful. It is a great discussion and many would call me less of a Gopher fan for wanting them to lose, but I guess I would rather see a more successful program over one tournament win. I have the ability to look more long term instead of looking at it short term. If we lose in the second round, one win in the tournament will make me excited for about 48 hours.

 

[stocker08]

Bob - you pose a great question. I would gladly have the Gophers lose the game Friday night if it meant in the future (next 2-5 years) we would be more successful. It is a great discussion and many would call me less of a Gopher fan for wanting them to lose, but I guess I would rather see a more successful program over one tournament win. I have the ability to look more long term instead of looking at it short term. If we lose in the second round, one win in the tournament will make me excited for about 48 hours.

Once again, you have the flawed view that we would be much better if Tubby were to be fired. There is no guarantee here. I would also consider a loss as success if future success was in play. The fact is......you cannot assume that. Why don't we all accept what we have RIGHT NOW and cheer for the team and the individual players, some of who will be playing their last games in the maroon and gold this weekend.

 

[Drake University Gopher]

Once again, you have the flawed view that we would be much better if Tubby were to be fired. There is no guarantee here. I would also consider a loss as success if future success was in play. The fact is......you cannot assume that. Why don't we all accept what we have RIGHT NOW and cheer for the team and the individual players, some of who will be playing their last games in the maroon and gold this weekend.

Go Gophers!

 

[Parski1]

Tubby will be back...beating UCLA or not. He's a good coach and there is NO WAY they will buy out another coach for 2.5 million. If you think the U will do that again after Brewster....you're just insane.

 

[Tater]

Tubby will be back... and there is NO WAY they will buy out another coach for 2.5 million.

This.

 

[tinyarch]

Tubby will be back...beating UCLA or not. He's a good coach and there is NO WAY they will buy out another coach for 2.5 million. If you think the U will do that again after Brewster....you're just insane.

He may be a good coach with a half-filled Williams Arena watching a team vying for Penn State at the bottom of the league next year as well...

Only Maturi would sign a contract where he didn't have the funds available to pay off a failed coach. Teague will do what is best for the University regardless of whether there is a 2.5 million buy here. If he's willing to pay off UNC for football he'll pay off Tubby and wish him well at North Texas or Wartburg College or wherever he ends up next.

 

[Johnnyboy18]

There are so many people predicting the future it's hilarious to me. The team hasn't won a legal tournament game since 1990 and some think that they can compete for a national championship in five years? Be happy to be in the tournament it's 12th time since 1972. Some fans perspective of the program is different from reality and forget where it was six years ago.

 

[stocker08]

There are so many people predicting the future it's hilarious to me. The team hasn't won a legal tournament game since 1990 and some think that they can compete for a national championship in five years? Be happy to be in the tournament it's 12th time since 1972. Some fans perspective of the program is different from reality and forget were it was six years ago.

+19

 

[MNfootballfan]

Once again, you have the flawed view that we would be much better if Tubby were to be fired. There is no guarantee here. I would also consider a loss as success if future success was in play. The fact is......you cannot assume that. Why don't we all accept what we have RIGHT NOW and cheer for the team and the individual players, some of who will be playing their last games in the maroon and gold this weekend.

How do I have a flawed view? I've answered the questions posted.
Bob's question is:
#1: Have the Gophers win, but never finish above .500 in the Big 10 conference in the next decade?
or
#2: Gophers lose and be a much better team in 2 years?
If those are my two options, I would choose option 2. I don't think one NCAA tournament win is worth never finishing above .500 in the Big 10 for the next 10 years. In answer to Bob's question it is safe to assume the Gophers would be a much better team, because that is one of my options.

The original question was:
#1 Win first round, lose second round and keep Tubby.
or
#2 Lose first round and have Tubby exit gracefully.
If those are my two options, I choose #2. It does not state whether we hire the second coming of John Wooden or the basketball version of Tim Brewster. I thought after six years of Tubby we would be a better shape that we are right now. Ideally, in my perfect the world the Gophers make a run to the Final Four and Tubby can do whatever makes him happy.

 

[stocker08]

How do I have a flawed view? I've answered the questions posted.
Bob's question is:
#1: Have the Gophers win, but never finish above .500 in the Big 10 conference in the next decade?
or
#2: Gophers lose and be a much better team in 2 years?
If those are my two options, I would choose option 2. I don't think one NCAA tournament win is worth never finishing above .500 in the Big 10 for the next 10 years. In answer to Bob's question it is safe to assume the Gophers would be a much better team, because that is one of my options.

The original question was:
#1 Win first round, lose second round and keep Tubby.
or
#2 Lose first round and have Tubby exit gracefully.
If those are my two options, I choose #2. It does not state whether we hire the second coming of John Wooden or the basketball version of Tim Brewster. I thought after six years of Tubby we would be a better shape that we are right now. Ideally, in my perfect the world the Gophers make a run to the Final Four and Tubby can do whatever makes him happy.

That is a fair answer. I guess I wasn't exactly reacting based off the original question.

 

[Cayman]

I don't think it's as easy as "cheer for a Gopher loss and you're a Dbag".

The caveat of this question is the assumption that Tubby will for sure be gone with a loss. I think he's back regardless and therefore I will ALWAYS cheer for a Gopher win. However, because I don't think Tubby is the answer, I would gladly trade a loss in this tournament if it meant more wins down the road. It's like the Vikes - Redskins game of 2011. I was upset when they won that game. Why? It's the reason why RG3 is not our quarterback. It was nice to win, I'm a Vikings fan, but I think we'd get a lot more wins if RG3 was our QB instead of Ponder.

The Gopher fans who want Tubby gone would sacrifice this game on Friday because they think it would make the Gophers better in the future.

Let us rephrase the question, would you rather?
#1: Have the Gophers win, but never finish above .500 in the Big 10 conference in the next decade?
or
#2: Gophers lose and be a much better team in 2 years?

I can kind of understand the "I hope we lose so that Tubby gets fired" argument, but I disagree with it. With regard to the Vikings analogy you presented, I think it's a little different. First of all, that game against the Redskins was a regular season game, so it's not a big deal if they lose the game in and of itself, and the higher draft pick is a guarantee from losing the game. If they had lost the game, it absolutely would have given them a better draft pick, and in the long run losing the game would have very likely helped them in the future. But what if it were a playoff game? What if the Vikings had only made the playoffs 4 times in the last two decades, and hadn't won a playoff game in nearly 25 years? Would you trade away getting that playoff win in order to get a better draft pick the next season who MIGHT help you get back to that point in the future? I don't follow the Vikings or the NFL at all, so I don't know if getting one playoff win is considered as being significantly better than losing in the first round.

With the Gophers it's different. This is an NCAA tournament game, not just some regular season game against Purdue or something. We haven't won a tournament game since 1990, and have only gotten to the tournament four times since then, three of those being with Tubby. Technically, winning just this one tournament game would be our deepest tourney run in over 20 years. Do you really give up getting that big win for the chance that we MIGHT get a guy who can do better in the future?

Even in the context of this poll in which a tourney victory means Tubby is absolutely back next year, and a loss means Tubby definitely gets fired, I think people are looking at it too black and white. It feels like people think that Tubby is the absolute worst person we could have as a head coach next season, and that anyone that we hire over the offseason will have a guaranteed better record over the next few seasons or going into the future. I think people are seeing it as, "We give up one tourney win this year, and we WILL get Sweet Sixteens/Elite Eights in the future." But you don't know that the guy who replaces Tubby will be better. Maybe we lose all chance at getting Rashad, Tyus, and Reid. Maybe the next guy is like Josh Pastner, or this year's Calipari, and gets all three of them along with other stud recruits from out of state, and still only gets the team to up to a fringe top 25 type at their peak. The poll says that firing Tubby is a guarantee after the first round tourney loss, but getting a coach that's better than Tubby is not. I would like to think that if Teague doesn't have Shaka Smart by the balls like some think he does, that he could still hire us a good up-and-comer, but it's not a lock that he will. And keep in mind, you're trading an NCAA tournament victory, something this program hasn't accomplished in over two decades, for the chance that we might get a coach better than Tubby.

That's not even looking at how this might play out in real life, in that a first round loss doesn't guarantee that Tubby gets fired, and a first round victory I don't think makes it a lock that he stays, although firing him after arguably his best season, regardless of how underwhelming his best season turns out to be, might look bad.

TL;DR If you're voting for the team to lose so that Tubby gets fired, you're trading in our first tournament win in over 20 years for a CHANCE that the next guy will be able to do better than that.

I will be cheering for the Gophers to win on Friday.

 

[stocker08]

TL;DR If you're voting for the team to lose so that Tubby gets fired, you're trading in our first tournament win in over 20 years for a CHANCE that the next guy will be able to do better than that.

I will be cheering for the Gophers to win on Friday.

Exactly what I am thinking.

 

[howieramone]

He may be a good coach with a half-filled Williams Arena watching a team vying for Penn State at the bottom of the league next year as well...

Only Maturi would sign a contract where he didn't have the funds available to pay off a failed coach. Teague will do what is best for the University regardless of whether there is a 2.5 million buy here. If he's willing to pay off UNC for football he'll pay off Tubby and wish him well at North Texas or Wartburg College or wherever he ends up next.

Much more likely we break the revenue record for the second year in a row, as well as go dancing for the second year in a row.

 

[tinyarch]

There are so many people predicting the future it's hilarious to me. The team hasn't won a legal tournament game since 1990 and some think that they can compete for a national championship in five years? Be happy to be in the tournament it's 12th time since 1972. Some fans perspective of the program is different from reality and forget where it was six years ago.

Sounds like you think this is the best it gets. You must be thrilled with mediocrity.