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The incompetent Brewster never had a 1-13 stretch in conference play.
Chip Scoggins column: Symptoms say U hoops needs another rebirth
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The incompetent Brewster never had a 1-13 stretch in conference play.
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//wow
these are alot of if's, but If Mbawke doesn't hurt his knee and Mo was healthy, what would we be saying???? Those are two huge factors considering our big men situation. With them healthy RGIII might be picking up splinters~!!!
these are alot of if's, but If Mbawke doesn't hurt his knee and Mo was healthy, what would we be saying???? Those are two huge factors considering our big men situation. With them healthy RGIII might be picking up splinters~!!!
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Its two wins better. The point of my comment was not that Brewster was good.
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I never said their overall percentage was comparable, my only assertion was that the stretch Tubby is currently on is worse than anything Brewster ever did. If Tubby wants to go grab wins against Purdue and Indiana, I will be thrilled and I will also shut up.
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As much as this thread seems like cacophony, I think the posters are circling around the truth. I've always been impressed with the perspectives on this board, and there are have been a lot of valid ones laid out here, as much as they seem to clash. There's a kernel of truth in each post.
Think of it as losing 13 of 14 hands in a card game. It's impossible to have a run like that without a lot of it being bad luck, but when you've lost that frequently, you're probably doing some things wrong. It is a combination of the two. I hope Tubby's looking at himself in the mirror, and I hope he's open to changing things up.
When Coach Smith advocates for a practice facility, it's from the perspective of someone who knows close up what needs to be done for sustained winning. It would be easy for him to collect his salary and work around the problem, but he puts his credibility on the line to push for something the program does need long term. As obvious as it is to most people now that we needed TCF Bank Stadium, it'll become obvious after the practice building is built that we needed it, too. It's simply the cost of doing business, and it's an investment, not a boondoggle. And as much as it seems self interested for Tubby, the primary beneficiaries of the facility will be Tubby's successors and the program long term. He really does care.
Think of it as losing 13 of 14 hands in a card game. It's impossible to have a run like that without a lot of it being bad luck, but when you've lost that frequently, you're probably doing some things wrong. It is a combination of the two. I hope Tubby's looking at himself in the mirror, and I hope he's open to changing things up.
When Coach Smith advocates for a practice facility, it's from the perspective of someone who knows close up what needs to be done for sustained winning. It would be easy for him to collect his salary and work around the problem, but he puts his credibility on the line to push for something the program does need long term. As obvious as it is to most people now that we needed TCF Bank Stadium, it'll become obvious after the practice building is built that we needed it, too. It's simply the cost of doing business, and it's an investment, not a boondoggle. And as much as it seems self interested for Tubby, the primary beneficiaries of the facility will be Tubby's successors and the program long term. He really does care.
Your assertion that recruiting has improved is not born out by any facts.
Royce White, Devoe Joseph, and Justin Cobbs are all good players at other schools. Trevor was a great player for us. Rodney is good on D, and now that he has moved to the 4 is doing pretty well on O. Sounds like some good recruiting to me.
This roster is full of poor recruits. Ingram, Mav, Chip, Austin, Oto. The bigger issue is that they play alot. I don't see much of Devoe, Cobbs, White on the floor at Williams Arena much.
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You have 7,398 posts and you don't know enough to take opinions about football recruiting to the football board. I always suspected alot of kids are logging on to their father's account.
CHIP SCAGGINS IS WAY OUT OF LINE
Being a professional writer, I thought that you would atleast look at the whole picture. Not just write about the problems without mentioning the facts of the problems. In Tubby's first season (2007-2008) the gophers did win 20 games and almost made the tournament, that was a 11 game turn around from the prior season. In his second season with the gophers (2008-2009) the gophers won 22 game and made it to the NCAA tournament. In Tubby's Third year (2009-2010) as coach with the gophers they won 21 games and made the NCAA tournament. It takes most coaches up to five years to rebuild a program, especially after what the gopher nation had been going through in the years past. Tubby was on track to rebuild this program from the time he stepped off that plane in Minnesota. In Tubby fourth season (2010-2011) as head coach with the gophers, they started out being a real good team in beating North Carolina, West Virgina and Western Kentucky and also with mentions of contending for a big ten title. Problems started happening beyond Tubby's or anybody's control for that matter, Devoe Joseph transfers (of course Tubby could have refused the transfer, but why would he have kept Devoe if he didn't want to be there? Al Nolan out with an injury, Mo Walker out with an injury. I don't care what anyone says, if you lose your starting point guard, it is hard to win. It's just like the Indianapolis Colts playing without Payton Manning, if you don't have your man floor general, things are going to get real tough. That was expected or atleast it should have been. Then we go into the off season and Colton Iverson decides to transfer, a guy that I considered our bruse guy, come in off the bench and give other teams fits, I thought he did a good job of that. He would have played good with Rhalp this season. Going into Tubby's fifth season with the gophers had no national attention, but really started out playing good basketball, then your main power foward goes down to a knee injury, your best player on the team and here we are repeating last season. But is Tubby really to blame for transfers and injuries or is that just the cards that are handed to the gophers right now. I didn't even mention Royce White, Paul Carter, and Justin Cobbs. If half of these players that I mentioned with transfers or injuries were around last season and this season, it would make a big difference, but it's almost impossible with the kind of luck the gophers have had over the last two season. You want to see bad because I really thought that Trevor, Rodney and Rhalp was going to go pro, even though two wouldn't have been ready, the season would have started out worst than what it did, so Tubby and his staff did a good job keeping them here.
Just a few notes:
Tubby won 20 win seasons back to back (FIRST EVER BY ANY GOPHER COACH)
Tubby advanced to the big ten championship (FIRST EVER BY ANY GOPHER COACH)
Tubby won 80 games in 4 seasons with the gophers (FIRST EVER BY ANY GOPHER COACH)
Being a professional writer, I thought that you would atleast look at the whole picture. Not just write about the problems without mentioning the facts of the problems. In Tubby's first season (2007-2008) the gophers did win 20 games and almost made the tournament, that was a 11 game turn around from the prior season. In his second season with the gophers (2008-2009) the gophers won 22 game and made it to the NCAA tournament. In Tubby's Third year (2009-2010) as coach with the gophers they won 21 games and made the NCAA tournament. It takes most coaches up to five years to rebuild a program, especially after what the gopher nation had been going through in the years past. Tubby was on track to rebuild this program from the time he stepped off that plane in Minnesota. In Tubby fourth season (2010-2011) as head coach with the gophers, they started out being a real good team in beating North Carolina, West Virgina and Western Kentucky and also with mentions of contending for a big ten title. Problems started happening beyond Tubby's or anybody's control for that matter, Devoe Joseph transfers (of course Tubby could have refused the transfer, but why would he have kept Devoe if he didn't want to be there? Al Nolan out with an injury, Mo Walker out with an injury. I don't care what anyone says, if you lose your starting point guard, it is hard to win. It's just like the Indianapolis Colts playing without Payton Manning, if you don't have your man floor general, things are going to get real tough. That was expected or atleast it should have been. Then we go into the off season and Colton Iverson decides to transfer, a guy that I considered our bruse guy, come in off the bench and give other teams fits, I thought he did a good job of that. He would have played good with Rhalp this season. Going into Tubby's fifth season with the gophers had no national attention, but really started out playing good basketball, then your main power foward goes down to a knee injury, your best player on the team and here we are repeating last season. But is Tubby really to blame for transfers and injuries or is that just the cards that are handed to the gophers right now. I didn't even mention Royce White, Paul Carter, and Justin Cobbs. If half of these players that I mentioned with transfers or injuries were around last season and this season, it would make a big difference, but it's almost impossible with the kind of luck the gophers have had over the last two season. You want to see bad because I really thought that Trevor, Rodney and Rhalp was going to go pro, even though two wouldn't have been ready, the season would have started out worst than what it did, so Tubby and his staff did a good job keeping them here.
Just a few notes:
Tubby won 20 win seasons back to back (FIRST EVER BY ANY GOPHER COACH)
Tubby advanced to the big ten championship (FIRST EVER BY ANY GOPHER COACH)
Tubby won 80 games in 4 seasons with the gophers (FIRST EVER BY ANY GOPHER COACH)
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Really? At least get the name right when ripping a guy.
Losing Nolen to Manning is a real valid compairson though...
And he was not that close to the NCAA's in year 1.
But I think the realy problem people have is the state of the program in the 5th year. Regardless of how they got there, they are there.
If MN was 14-1 and ranked 12th in the Country, people would be heaping praise on him, so he needs to take heat as well.
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What is Tubby's B10 record over 4+ seasons? Currently 11 games under .500. Tubby was able to win 20+ because of their ridiculously soft non-conference schedules and the fact that they allow teams to play more games nowadays.
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Art, where the h have you been. I was worried about you.
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This long winded post is so tired. After sinking to an even greater low against Purdue, Tubby should 100% be fired in the next four months.
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JMO, but I thought Chip wrote what most of us are thinking in most areas.
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This.
As a B1G bb coach, you should be judged based on two things:
Conference Record
NCAA Tourney Appearances and/or Wins
I could care less how many wins a coach racks up against South Dakota State, Central Michigan, etc.
As a B1G bb coach, you should be judged based on two things:
Conference Record
NCAA Tourney Appearances and/or Wins
I could care less how many wins a coach racks up against South Dakota State, Central Michigan, etc.
Really? At least get the name right when ripping a guy.
Losing Nolen to Manning is a real valid compairson though...
And he was not that close to the NCAA's in year 1.
But I think the realy problem people have is the state of the program in the 5th year. Regardless of how they got there, they are there.
If MN was 14-1 and ranked 12th in the Country, people would be heaping praise on him, so he needs to take heat as well.
I'm not comparing Nolen to Manning, just using him as an example. You still have to look at the overall picture to how they got there. Yes, but this type of heat is unjustified with all the transfers and injuries. It takes time to get back where you need to be. If all the transfers and injuries hadn't happen and we still had these problems, then it would be justified.
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injuries justified, transfers not. Too many key guys transfer from a program signifies systematic problems.
Yes, Royce was Tubby's fault. I think if we just had him we'd be much much better.
Let us get this straight. Minnesota is 13 minutes away from falling to 0-4 in the Big Ten, 13 minutes away from losing its seventh straight Big Ten home game and 13 minutes away from being 1-14 in its last 15 games against Big Ten opponents (REPEAT: 1-14). Did I mention 1-14? Iowa is 5-10 in its last 15.
Meanwhile Chip Scoggins writes an article where he makes it clear he's not calling for a coaching change and he is out of line.
Well done sir. Well done.
Let's extend Tubby for Top 15 dollars for 5 more years. Let's make this happen!!!
Very noble to chalk the Carter transfer up to his sister's illness given that it is a feel good story. No mention of the other dynamics there (transfer unrelated to his sisters conditiion) or Tubby's initial reluctance to sign the release!!!
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" If all the transfers and injuries hadn't happen [sic] and we still had these problems, then it would be justified." If the Titanic had missed the iceberg, it would have docked in NY.
If the season ends up going in the tank I look for two staff members to get canned, and believe it or not, one of them maybe Saul. I know, "blood is thicker than water" but this kid is in way over is head as reported over on GI.
There is NO WAY that Tubby will can Saul. He would quit first
There is NO WAY that Tubby will can Saul. He would quit first
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Anyone know what was reported over there? What did it say why Saul is in over his head? Just curious.
Anyone that claims that a third assistant on a staff is "in over their head" is either making things up, or is trying to act like they know more than they do. Maybe he's made a few recruiting errors (Calcaterra and a few others) but are they at practices to see how Saul works with players? Do they see Saul's opponent game plans? or are they just saying this to feel important?
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Local coaches don't think he knows what he is doing, basically the kiss of death, even if they are somehow wrong
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EE has an NBA future!? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this board! No offense, but it is.