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WoodburyTim said:
Let BYU do their thing, it’s their religion. I’m not Mormon but the reaction here is embarrassing. But it is Gopherhole….so you can expect it.
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I think organized religion formally policing the sexual activity of other adults is embarrassing. That's messed up stuff.

Preach all they want about their ideas, policing other people's activity like this is a whole other world of wrong.

Jesus told them not to throw stones, but of course the folks running the religion are happy to do so, even organize it.
 

WoodburyTim said:
Let BYU do their thing, it’s their religion. I’m not Mormon but the reaction here is embarrassing. But it is Gopherhole….so you can expect it.
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I'm not ripping BYU. They have rules and Retzlaff (thanks for the correction Gopher Pete) broke them and has the face the music. I am tweaking Retzlaff's reaction and the jokes write themselves. One could say that he was only trying to fill his missionary obligation.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I think organized religion formally policing the sexual activity of other adults is embarrassing. That's messed up stuff.

Preach all they want about their ideas, policing other people's activity like this is a whole other world of wrong.

Jesus told them not to throw stones, but of course the folks running the religion are happy to do so, even organize it.
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Everyone needs to read Reinhold Niebuhr on the subject. Sex is part of who we are. It doesn't mean we should all run around naked and be absolute libertines, but the hand-wringing gets to be a bit much.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I think organized religion formally policing the sexual activity of other adults is embarrassing. That's messed up stuff.

Preach all they want about their ideas, policing other people's activity like this is a whole other world of wrong.

Jesus told them not to throw stones, but of course the folks running the religion are happy to do so, even organize it.
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Yet those who point out the judgmental are not at all judgmental. It's an interesting place to be.

Of course I'm judgmental. We all are.
 

highwayman said:
Yet those who point out the judgmental are not at all judgmental. It's an interesting place to be.

Of course I'm judgmental. We all are.
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Judging and policing are two different things though. Judging is cheap, easy to do, and usually harmless.
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I think organized religion formally policing the sexual activity of other adults is embarrassing. That's messed up stuff.

Preach all they want about their ideas, policing other people's activity like this is a whole other world of wrong.

Jesus told them not to throw stones, but of course the folks running the religion are happy to do so, even organize it.
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But if you're in that group, you really want to make sure the behavior doesn't happen. We have colleges here (Bethel, Northwestern) that have similar rules about women in your dorm room, etc.

Opposite end of the spectrum, but it's analogous to like a biker gang or street gang not wanting members who "snitch" because once some people start doing it and getting away with it, it becomes more of a problem to deal with.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
But if you're in that group, you really want to make sure the behavior doesn't happen. We have colleges here (Bethel, Northwestern) that have similar rules about women in your dorm room, etc.

Opposite end of the spectrum, but it's analogous to like a biker gang or street gang not wanting members who "snitch" because once some people start doing it and getting away with it, it becomes more of a problem to deal with.
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Anyone going down the road "I want to police other adults sexual activity." is a non starter to me.
 


GreasyGopher said:
I get your point but don’t those same adults have the option not to attend said institution?
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Sure, but that doesn't change my opinion of their desire to police other adults sexual activity.

People don't have to go that school, it doesn't make the policies any less absurd / creepy, and IMO even a clear betrayal of what their own religion teaches. An organization being optional to join or even associate with doesn't make them immune to criticism.
 



A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Sure, but that doesn't change my opinion of their desire to police other adults sexual activity.

People don't have to go that school, it doesn't make the policies any less absurd / creepy, and IMO even a clear betrayal of what their own religion teaches. An organization being optional to join or even associate with doesn't make them immune to criticism.
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Could you explain the bolded more? If you're going for the "don't throw stones" angle, that part of John wasn't in the earliest versions of the New Testament.

And even if that was part of the original manuscripts, there's an obvious difference between stoning someone to death and a small suspension from sports as a way to remind them to get their religious priorities in order.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
Could you explain the bolded more? If you're going for the "don't throw stones" angle, that part of John wasn't in the earliest versions of the New Testament.

And even if that was part of the original manuscripts, there's an obvious difference between stoning someone to death and a small suspension from sports as a way to remind them to get their religious priorities in order.
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I'm going with the don't throw stones angle, that's it, that's all there is to say about it.

In the story they let the lady walk after reflecting on their own sins. God knows there's plenty of forgiveness in the bible too, these aren't complex topics.

People love to get judgey and inflict some sort of social costs on others, it's not religion, it's something people like to do to other people who do things they don't agree with.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I'm going with the don't throw stones angle, that's it, that's all there is to say about it.

In the story they let the lady walk after reflecting on their own sins. God knows there's plenty of forgiveness in the bible too, these aren't complex topics.
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Very true (bolded). But they can tell him to seek forgiveness while also asking him to serve his punishment for breaking a rule he agreed to. They don't need to be mutually exclusive. Also the Bible makes no mention of the Pharisees inviting the women into their "team" so to speak, the story says they just went away. It's not like they said "ok go ahead and sin, seek forgiveness, rinse and repeat and you can be among us".

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
People love to get judgey and inflict some sort of social costs on others, it's not religion, it's something people like to do to other people who do things they don't agree with.
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This I'll agree with a lot. Drinking comes to mind. Many people who don't drink LOVE to tell others why they shouldn't do it, etc. As if everyone who drinks is getting tanked every night while blowing their mortgage payment at the bar.

Anywho, I think we both understand each other's point, so I'll stop here and save the board the agony of this thread continuing.

(y)
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I'm going with the don't throw stones angle, that's it, that's all there is to say about it.

In the story they let the lady walk after reflecting on their own sins. God knows there's plenty of forgiveness in the bible too, these aren't complex topics.

People love to get judgey and inflict some sort of social costs on others, it's not religion, it's something people like to do to other people who do things they don't agree with.
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Speaking of judgey aren't you the one who called their policies absurd?
 




Grace without caring about holiness (the way we love and care for ourselves and others) isn't grace, it is just laziness. True grace is understanding how important our actions are and then working your way towards forgiveness in the midst of this. Typically religious colleges that claim to hold faith as a central tenet to what they are doing feel like college should be a place where health habits are encouraged and uplifted. They typically have standards and a process to achieve forgiveness if one breaks these codes (you have to commit to the standards and can't break them again).

Every institution has rules and I think it is commendable when one tries to abide by those rules in a world where so many people tend to just look the other way for wins and political gain.

Bottom line these schools aren't for everyone, but there are a lot of good people, leaders, etc. that go to schools like these that just like the U of MN and make the world better. In the end if "judging" religion makes you feel better just remember judging one as guilty and judging as innocent still makes you judgmental. When God said "do not judge" it wasn't because we were supposed to forget the law, but to focus our attention on caring for one another not what they do or do not do that may offend us.

One of the reasons I like Gopherhole is that it brings all kinds together. Hopefully we learn from all these experiences. So remember - keep your hate on this board focused on 3 things: Badgers, Hawkeyes and whoever the Gophers face this week.
 

What happened? I was out coveting my neighbor's wife and a Bible quoting battle broke out. Okay, judge so you won't be judged. Does that add to the conversation. Yeah, I didn't think so 😕
 



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