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Manny obviously wasn't Manny anymore but Ugas looked really impressive. I actually thought he beat Shawn Porter too. Ugas is a really tough fight for anyone. He'd make a fun consolation prize if Spence/Crawford doesn't happen.

I was definitely pulling for Ugas because I just wanted Manny (and his payday) out of the equation to try to push a Spence/Crawford fight. The paycheck that comes from fighting Manny was just too much for anyone to ignore.
 

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Manny had an amazing career. Now, we'll see if he can win outside of the ring as he contemplates a bid for the Presidency of the Philippines.

As far as boxing, it's nuts how many good fighters there are now in that range from welterweight to middleweight. The fight I probably most want to see is still Caleb Plant and Canelo Alvarez, but Jamel Herring and Shakur Stevenson in October could be fun.
 

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Manny had an amazing career. Now, we'll see if he can win outside of the ring as he contemplates a bid for the Presidency of the Philippines.

As far as boxing, it's nuts how many good fighters there are now in that range from welterweight to middleweight. The fight I probably most want to see is still Caleb Plant and Canelo Alvarez, but Jamel Herring and Shakur Stevenson in October could be fun.
Yeah, Crawford and Porter should be a lot of fun too.

Frankly, if Crawford and Spence don't fight, I'll be livid. It just doesn't make any sense. That's the fight to make one of them a household name.

I almost understood the Manny and Floyd dilemma. Manny was a superstar that had virtually no shot at beating Floyd. Manny could continue being a massive PPV draw and not lose the luster of being worked by Floyd. Manny was already a household name and already making a ton on PPV. What's the financial incentive?

For Spence and Crawford? That win would make the winner a legitimate PPV superstar (IMO). It needs to happen.
 

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Yeah, Crawford and Porter should be a lot of fun too.

Frankly, if Crawford and Spence don't fight, I'll be livid. It just doesn't make any sense. That's the fight to make one of them a household name.

I almost understood the Manny and Floyd dilemma. Manny was a superstar that had virtually no shot at beating Floyd. Manny could continue being a massive PPV draw and not lose the luster of being worked by Floyd. Manny was already a household name and already making a ton on PPV. What's the financial incentive?

For Spence and Crawford? That win would make the winner a legitimate PPV superstar (IMO). It needs to happen.

I am on the fence for Wilder and Fury III. I'm a cheap-skate, but I am really tempted to shell out for the pay-per view on that card. Some interesting heavyweight bouts on the undercard. By a remarkable coincidence.....FS1 put on PBC fight cards on Saturday and Sunday night - and in between every fight, they're hyping Wilder-Fury. (BTW, there was an absolutely atrocious decision in one of the bouts on Saturday. Featherweight bout with two younger undefeated fighters- Elon DeJesus pounded Rajon Chance and knocked him down, but the judges ruled it a majority draw. The guys calling the fight went nuts....)

as far as Bud Crawford, I agree. he has to start taking on the top names or he is going to tarnish his own legacy if it looks like he's trying to duck any real challengers.
 

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I am on the fence for Wilder and Fury III. I'm a cheap-skate, but I am really tempted to shell out for the pay-per view on that card. Some interesting heavyweight bouts on the undercard. By a remarkable coincidence.....FS1 put on PBC fight cards on Saturday and Sunday night - and in between every fight, they're hyping Wilder-Fury. (BTW, there was an absolutely atrocious decision in one of the bouts on Saturday. Featherweight bout with two younger undefeated fighters- Elon DeJesus pounded Rajon Chance and knocked him down, but the judges ruled it a majority draw. The guys calling the fight went nuts....)

as far as Bud Crawford, I agree. he has to start taking on the top names or he is going to tarnish his own legacy if it looks like he's trying to duck any real challengers.
Yeah, I'll buy Wilder and Fury III. The first one was an amazing fight and the second one was one of the best boxing performances I've seen. I don't know if we'll see a heavyweight move like Tyson Fury again, the guys fights like an enormous middle weight. For me, we'll get to either see a great fight in the puncher vs. boxer mold, or we'll get to see another performance that should put Fury in consideration as one of the great HW fighters.

Yeah, I saw that fight. It was absolute robbery.
 


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Dan kolman likes boxing. I love it when tiny dudes who are 5’6” love watching ufc and boxing.
 

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Holy Bleep. Canelo Alvarez and Caleb Plant got into a fight at the press conference for their upcoming bout. Alvarez says Plant called him a "motherf'er." Plant responded by accusing Alvarez of using performance-enhancing drugs. Alvarez shoved Plant, Plant swung at Alvarez, and all heck broke loose. Video on ESPN website.

These guys really do not like each other. This fight could be ugly, or it could be an all-time classic.
 

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tonight in nevada fury v wilder 3

fury is 277 and wilder is 238. fury is the favorite, even if heavy. i'd be surprised if he wins if the fight goes the distance. the boxing world does not want a fury v usyk fight. the fans on the other hand...
 

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Edgar Berlanga getting exposed tonight. Taking straight shots. Going to be a while before he starts taking on past contenders
 



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just couldn't shell out $80 for the pay-per view. watched the first two fights on free TV. I think Max Kellerman nailed it on Berlanga. he can knock out tomato cans, but against a quality opponent, his flaws are exposed - not quick enough and takes too many shots.

from what I read online, the 3 heavyweight prelims left something to be desired. Jared Anderson took out an overmatched opponent in 2 rounds.

sounds like Helenius pounded the bleep out of Kownacki. Kownacki looks like another guy who got exposed when he moved up to face better opponents.

the Ajagba- Sanchez fight surprised me. I thought Ajagba would have the edge with his power, but sounds like he got out-boxed by Sanchez.

and from what I read and the few highlights I saw of Fury-Wilder, it looks like Fury was the better fighter. Wilder landed a few shots, but Fury out-landed Wilder for the fight 150-72, with an advantage of 36-9 in jabs and 114-63 in power punches. Fury also out-punched Wilder 52-19 in the last three rounds, so Fury, despite his weight, was in better condition and Wilder ran out of gas.
 


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You lost me at "Max Kellerman nailed it...." Very likely not a bigger frothing-at-the-mouth buffoon dumbass on television today
He's worse then Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless?

No one could be a bigger buffoon than Bayless. However, he plays his character well, and managed to make a lot of dough.
 

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tonight in nevada fury v wilder 3

fury is 277 and wilder is 238. fury is the favorite, even if heavy. i'd be surprised if he wins if the fight goes the distance. the boxing world does not want a fury v usyk fight. the fans on the other hand...
i was wrong about wilder winning if it went the distance, he was gassed by the 5th round. but it was more my conspiracy side that made me think that even if fury won in 12, that they'd give it to wilder or that the judges would say it was a draw. i was starting to believe that was true when they stopped showing the unofficial fight score card after the 8th round. of course the posted the judges cards after the fight and fury was winning on all 3. i am still conspiratorial about it. would be easy to keep 2 cards, or make changes at the end.
and from what I read and the few highlights I saw of Fury-Wilder, it looks like Fury was the better fighter. Wilder landed a few shots, but Fury out-landed Wilder for the fight 150-72, with an advantage of 36-9 in jabs and 114-63 in power punches. Fury also out-punched Wilder 52-19 in the last three rounds, so Fury, despite his weight, was in better condition and Wilder ran out of gas.
if wilder had a better tank, he would have won the fight (and if he wasn't saved by the bell in the 3rd, fury might have had the stoppage then). but he was already gassed in the 5th after he knocked fury down. he doesn't have the legs to beat a boxer, especially if he can't get his power to work for him. or, like fury, the opponent has a stone jaw and surprisingly amazing stamina. i forget if it was the 9th or 10th, but wilder was landing some big shots on fury and fury was absorbing them. of course there was probably not much power behind the punches at that point. fury was still dancing and feinting in the 10th. wilder looked good in the first 2 rounds leading with the jab to the body, but then abandoned it when he got knocked down.
 



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He's worse then Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless?

No one could be a bigger buffoon than Bayless. However, he plays his character well, and managed to make a lot of dough.
it might be close, but at least with Smith and Bayless, yes, it's mostly a bit and they play it that way. Kellerman is an absolute fucking idiot
 

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it might be close, but at least with Smith and Bayless, yes, it's mostly a bit and they play it that way. Kellerman is an absolute fucking idiot

just because he's an idiot, that doesn't mean he can't be right about something.

I was just saying that I agree with his take on Berlanga. I basically just know Kellerman as a boxing commentator. I don't watch or listen to anything else he does.
 

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meant to post something last weekend, but life and work got in the way.

I was a little disappointed in the Shakur Stevenson-Jamell Harring fight. I thought Harring could give Shakur a battle, but Shakur was just too fast for him. question now is what does Shakur do next? stay at 130 or move up to 135 and try to take on some of the top fighters at that weight class.....?

The undercard had some interesting bouts.

Evander Holyfield's son Evan Holyfield won on a big knockout. he's a middleweight. didn't realize that Evander also has a son who's on the Bengals' practice squad.

Xander Zayas, an undefeated junior middleweight, won by TKO in a fight he dominated. good-looking prospect.

Nico Ali Walsh - grandson of Muhammad Ali - won his 2nd pro bout on a TKO over another tomato can. Walsh has a decent right hand, but I question whether he could stay in the ring with a good fighter.

and former US Olympic boxer Troy Isley won by knockout.
 

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just realized that Jamal 'Shango' James is fighting this weekend, but it's on a card on Showtime. Looks like there's some type of 'elimination' tournament to narrow the field of Welterweight contenders in hopes of coming up with a more unified title.

I don't have Showtime, so hopefully someone on here can watch the fight and post some notes.

Also sounds like the Circle of Discipline gym has a new home after their former location was damaged in the George Floyd-related violence.
 

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just realized that Jamal 'Shango' James is fighting this weekend, but it's on a card on Showtime. Looks like there's some type of 'elimination' tournament to narrow the field of Welterweight contenders in hopes of coming up with a more unified title.

I don't have Showtime, so hopefully someone on here can watch the fight and post some notes.

Also sounds like the Circle of Discipline gym has a new home after their former location was damaged in the George Floyd-related violence.
Jamal James is looking really good so far (3rd). He maintained distance in the first and its been a firefight in the last two rounds
 

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James has been hitting Butaev cleanly but he's just eating all his shots. James looks like he's going to get knocked out (rd5)
 

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James was getting tee'd off on but it seemed like a premature stoppage in the 9th. James just couldn't handle Butaev's power.
 

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Saw one article that said, at the time of the stoppage, one judge had James ahead by a point. The other two judges had Butaev ahead by 2 points, so it was fairly close at that point.

I found a guy who was posting round-by-round updates online, and according to him, Butaev was landing bigger shots and looked stronger than James.

BTW, watched the Jose Zepeda fight against Josue Vargas on ESPN+. Vargas had been making a lot of noise at the weigh-in. Zepeda stopped him on a 1st-round TKO. the first knockdown left Vargas face-down in the ring.

There were some spooky judging during the undercard. the Top Rank crew was ripping the judges, especially Tim Bradley.
 


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meant to post something last weekend, but life and work got in the way.

I was a little disappointed in the Shakur Stevenson-Jamell Harring fight. I thought Harring could give Shakur a battle, but Shakur was just too fast for him. question now is what does Shakur do next? stay at 130 or move up to 135 and try to take on some of the top fighters at that weight class.....?

The undercard had some interesting bouts.

Evander Holyfield's son Evan Holyfield won on a big knockout. he's a middleweight. didn't realize that Evander also has a son who's on the Bengals' practice squad.

Xander Zayas, an undefeated junior middleweight, won by TKO in a fight he dominated. good-looking prospect.

Nico Ali Walsh - grandson of Muhammad Ali - won his 2nd pro bout on a TKO over another tomato can. Walsh has a decent right hand, but I question whether he could stay in the ring with a good fighter.

and former US Olympic boxer Troy Isley won by knockout.
I think he should fight Navarette right now, but I don't think he will .

I'd guess Navarette and Stevenson fight on the same card within 6 months and then fight each other in about a year. Navarette will make it a fun fight and someone will come out of that a star.

If Stevenson wins, he'll move up to 135 and there are tons of fights. I'd love to see him fight Ryan Garcia and put an end to that nonsense. The only thing that scares me about 135 for Stevenson is I don't think he wants to be anywhere near Teofimo, Haney, or Lomo any time soon. It's congested at the top and that top is REALLY good.
 

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I have not been a huge fan of women's boxing, but I did watch the Mikaela Mayer fight Friday night on ESPN+. Damn - it was entertaining. Both fighters met in the center of the ring and basically whaled on each other for the entire fight.

Mayer won by unanimous decision. Judging was a little spooky. It was a competitive fight, and one judge gave Mayer every round when she clearly got out-punched in at least 3 rounds.

Of course, the tv crew spent most of the night hyping the upcoming Crawford - Porter fight.

Canelo and Plant fight has not started as I post this. Canelo is predicting a knockout. we'll see.
 

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found some highlights online of Canelo-Plant. Number of punches landed was fairly close, but Plant was landing mainly jabs while Canelo was landing a lot more power punches and body shots. Canelo was ahead on all three cards when the fight was stopped.
 

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Didn't shell out for PPV of Crawford-Porter. watched a lot of highlights on line this morning and read a round-by-round summary.

Sounds like Porter had his moments, but Crawford was never in trouble. Crawford turned it on in the second half of the fight, and knocked Porter down twice in the 10th round to get the TKO when Porter's corner threw in the towel.

Crawford can be a frustrating fighter to watch, because he seems to be holding back, but he always seems to be in control. Just waits for his opportunities. It's an effective style, but leaves the crowd hoping for a little more action.

Interesting note in the prelims - Josh Taylor, the champ at 140, indicated he is not opposed to moving up to 147 if he can get a shot at Crawford.

but - Crawford's contract with Top Rank is up, and he is supposedly not happy with Bob Arum, so who knows. Arum was making noise about a Crawford - Errol Spence fight.

BTW - PBC has a card coming up from the Mpls Armory on Dec 18 featuring Cuban David Morrell, Jr.
PBC is also running a show on Fox on Christmas Day with two of their better young fighters, Joey Spencer and Vito Mielnicki, Jr.
 

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Whoa - doctor who examined Teofimo Lopez after his last fight says "he is lucky to be alive."

Teofimo Lopez was risking his life and should have been in a hospital -- rather than a boxing ring -- when he lost his four lightweight belts to George Kambosos last week at Madison Square Garden, according to a doctor who subsequently examined him and reviewed his medical records.

"He could have died, for sure," said Dr. Linda Dahl, an otolaryngologist (ENT) with surgical privileges at three Manhattan hospitals, told ESPN. "How he breathed, I can't even explain to you. It's like somebody tied a 300-pound set of weights around his chest ... like his neck and chest were in a vise.

"That's how he fought."

"He's lucky he's not dead," Dr. Peter Constantino, executive director of the New York Head and Neck Institute, told ESPN. "I mean, really lucky."

According to Lopez's medical records, the 24-year-old former undisputed champion was diagnosed with "pneumomediastinum" with "extensive air in the retropharyngeal space" by emergency room doctors during his postfight visit to Bellevue Hospital.

"The air was surrounding his chest wall and his heart and his neck -- places where air is not supposed to be," said Dahl, who worked as a ringside physician for the New York State Athletic Commission. "If he was hit in the neck or the chest -- a certain way, in a certain place -- he could have developed a pneumothorax [collapsed lung]. ... He would have instantly been down and unable to breathe and needing a chest tube."

The likely cause of the air, according to Dahl and records of physicians who saw Lopez later at New York-Presbyterian Hospital, was a small tear in his esophagus.
 

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Interesting fight card Saturday night on ESPN.

Main event - Vasily Lomachenko won a unanimous decision over Richard Commey. Loma controlled the fight, and looked like he might get the knockout in the 7th round, but Commey somehow stayed on his feet.

Undercard:
Jared Anderson (Hwt) won by TKO in the 2nd round over a Ukrainian fighter. Anderson was in charge the whole way.

Keyshawn Davis - US Silver Medalist at the last Olympics - won his pro debut on a 2nd round TKO over Jose Zargosa. Davis dominated the fight. a fighter to watch in the crowded field at Lightweight.

Nico Ali Walsh (grandson of Muhammed Ali) won a unanimous decision in a 4-rounder at middleweight over Reyes Sanchez. Some home-town judging here - Sanchez clearly won the 3rd round and the 4th round was close.

Xander Zayas at middleweight ran his pro record to 12-0 with 9 KO's after a 1st-round KO of an Italian fighter. No contest.

Not much else worth mentioning.

Looking ahead - on Friday, (Dec 17) a light-heavyweight title fight with champ Artur Beterbiev vs Marcus Brown.

Next Saturday, a card on Fox from the Minneapolis Armory, featuring Cuban super-middleweight David Morrell.

And believe it or not, Fox has a card on Christmas night featuring two of their young guns, Joey Spencer and Vito Melnicki.
 

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Had a big boxing weekend. Watched a card from Montreal Friday night on ESPN+.
the headline bout was light heavyweight Artur Beterbiev against Marcus Browne. There was an early (unintentional) clash of heads that caused cuts for both fighters. Beterbiev had blood running down his face for the rest of the fight - it looked like something out of the old AWA wrestling days. Beterbiev wound up winning on a 9th-round KO. the undercard was pretty bland.

Saturday afternoon, watched a card from the Ukraine on ESPN+. Denys Berinchyk defended his WBO International lightweight title with a win over Russian Isa Chaniev. undercard was no-names.

Then, Saturday night, a card on FS1 and Fox from the Minneapolis Armory. The headline bout had super middleweight David Morrell, Jr defend his version of the WBA belt against veteran Alantez Fox with Morrell winning on a 4th-round TKO after Fox's corner threw in the towel while Fox was being pummeled on the ropes.

Highlights of the undercard:

Unbeaten lightweight Jose Valenzuela (11-0, 7 KOs) scored a third round TKO over Austin Dulay (14-3, 10 KOs). Valenzuela looked really good. a fighter to watch at 135.

Unbeaten WBA #1 super lightweight contender Alberto Puello (20-0, 10 KOs) dominated local hero VeShawn Owens (13-3, 12 KOs) with a 10-round unanimous decision.

Unbeaten super lightweight Richardson Hitchins (13-0, 5 KOs) outboxed Malik Hawkins (18-2, 11 KOs) with a 10-round unanimous decision.
 

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I think it's time for Jake Paul to fight someone who's under 40. And possibly an actual boxer.
 




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