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Just looking at the standings.
There is a scenario that the Gophers finish with 7 wins while USC, Nebraska, Michigan, and Wisconsin all finish with 6 overall wins. How many teams can jump us in the bowl selection process?
 



The "Pair and a Spare" podcast crew discussed this on their last episode. from what they said, the conference plays a very active role in 'helping' slot teams into bowls. apparently they divide eligible teams up into tiers and then work their way through the bowls that have B1G tie-ins.

but there are a number of bowls with restrictions - for example, Bowl X says they want at least 4 different teams in a 6-year span and things like that.

and the bowl committees supposedly have their 'favorite' teams. Gaard (if you believe him) says he knows someone connected with the Music City Bowl who is not a fan of the Gophers.

all the Gophers can do is to win as many games as possible. that's where the North Carolina and Rutgers games really hurt. if the Gophs were 8-2 instead of 6-4, they would be looking at some nice bowl possibilities. but if they finish 6-6 or 7-5, that drops them way down the pecking order.
 

Just looking at the standings.
There is a scenario that the Gophers finish with 7 wins while USC, Nebraska, Michigan, and Wisconsin all finish with 6 overall wins. How many teams can jump us in the bowl selection process?
USC is going to different bowls

All the others could jump us


Only thing that’s pretty much a lock is no Detroit since last year
 








I’m curious to know what could’ve went down that the Music City Bowl would have beef with the Gophers. We haven’t even been to that bowl in like 2 decades.
We haven't been there in two decades, but when we were there the perception is that we didn't travel well. Gaard seems to think that's still their concern.
 


Is overall record more important than B1G standings? I game likely puts 5-6 teams in same tier.
 

I’m curious to know what could’ve went down that the Music City Bowl would have beef with the Gophers. We haven’t even been to that bowl in like 2 decades.
We haven't been there in two decades, but when we were there the perception is that we didn't travel well. Gaard seems to think that's still their concern.

There was no Conference tie-in between the Big 10 & the Music City Bowl from 2006 - 2014, so about half that time period.

Starting in 2015-2019 the Big 10 the tie-in was shared with the ACC between the Music City and Gator Bowls. Nebraska was the first Big 10 team to return to Nashville in 2016, followed by Northwestern & Purdue in consecutive years.

Big 10 went to the Gator Bowl in 2019.

The Bowl was cancelled in 2020 due to COVID, but that was supposed to be the first year of the Big 10 going to the Music City annually, through 2025.

2021 Purdue went again, followed by Iowa and Maryland. Given the proximity between Purdue and Nashville, makes sense they have gotten a few repeat bids when their record warrants.

 




I’m curious to know what could’ve went down that the Music City Bowl would have beef with the Gophers. We haven’t even been to that bowl in like 2 decades.
IIRC The beef was playing "Rocky Top". IIRC The band played it as a tribute to the host state. Not to be disrespectful toward Alabama.

From what I've heard, Gopher fans were at the Music City bowl in numbers. That and they enjoyed the experience.
 


Any narrative that MN doesn’t travel is refuted obviously and thoroughly by showing any crowd scenes at any non-Detroit bowl in recent years or even regular season road games such as Boulder or Pasadena.

MN travels well. Really well.
I know it is a different team in a different league but there is no way bowl officials in Nashville could have saw the Viking fans take over the stadium and think "geez, Minnesota fans wouldn't travel to Nashville." I am far from a Nashville historian, but I don't think Nashville 2003(?) is the same as Nashville 2024.
 

IIRC The beef was playing "Rocky Top". IIRC The band played it as a tribute to the host state. Not to be disrespectful toward Alabama.

From what I've heard, Gopher fans were at the Music City bowl in numbers. That and they enjoyed the experience.
I’ve heard that but only in the context of Alabama fans feeling sad / remembering it … but not being that upset.
 



The old narrative that Minnesota fans won't travel was knocked down some by very good turnouts in El Paso for the two Sun Bowls (I was only at the 2003 game).

On Nashville/ MCB:

By 2002 the Gopher fans were annoyed by the lack of progress by Mason a couple of bad years that included a massive 2nd half collapse in Miami vs North Carolina State (wasted a great T. Redmond rushing effort- foreshadowed 2006 Texas Tech). The momentum of 1999 was lost.

I went to all three Music City Bowl games Minnesota played in. I love Nashville (not a country music fan at all) and had a great time in 2002, 2004, and 2005. After going there for those games now I like listening to old Meryl Haggard and Kris Kristoferson songs, I confess.

Minnesota attendance was weak all three games in Nashville for different reasons. This time it would be different.

There were no expectations in 2002 and the Arkansas game caught all off guard.. It probably was the best attended of the three games by Gopher fans due to drive distance from all over, and some relief about making a bowl game again. It was good weather and it was a fun game to witness. The Arkansas fans were decent enough.

The 2004 Alabama game was an outlier in that the Alabama fans sold out the stadium and there was no secondary market, plus Alabama was not very good. It would have been hard for all but a very committed Gopher fan to get to that game (I was there) Maroney and Barber were at their best this day and it was magical. The fact that the team had Barber and Maroney back and did not do more that year did kill a lot of the enthusiasm from the casual fan. The Alabama fans were great to talk to in the beer line and watching from the varioius vantage points.

It was really warm that day, and hitting the Roberts Western World Bar on lower Broadway was the second best part of the day, and during all three visits. The Alabama fans were actually the best thinking back to interactions after the game on lower Broadway.

The 2005 game vs. Virginia to me was the worst since we lost and the shine came off that 2005 season pretty fast, attendance was not great, even though it was OK. Maroney played but was not really the same after his hamstring injury at Indiana, and sure enough we blew the game late. Virginia was sort of an up and coming team at the time and they earned the win. It was the worst of the three games for me. To make it worse the UVA fans were a bunch of Ivy League wannbe, elitist, preppy turds, no fun at all.

Nashville was getting pretty popular with tourists even 20 plus years ago but apparently it has gone to warp speed the last ten years, so prime hotels downtown are going to be much more expensive as NYE approaches, but ......

I will 100 percent go back this December if it is possible.
This was a fun read. Thanks for sharing that!
 


As I remember it, folks on the Music City Bowl committee perceived that we did not travel well (which was colored by the fact that we kept getting stuck there, and that the Big Ten didn't do anything to get us into a different bowl game), and that Alabama coming off 2 years' bowlless probation (hard to imagine, but true) would have dominated any opponent in travel crowds. Back then, bowls picked and we always got picked near or at the end of the order. The MCB was the #6 pick in an 11-team league then, only ahead of Detroit, so it wasn't perceived as a good destination. Today with 7 more teams, it's probably as good as anything outside of New Year's 6 or the two Florida bowls.

We always thought it was chicken/egg sort of scenario -- we would travel if the destination was better. Coyle will show recent results (UCLA '24, Colorado '22, Outback Bowl '20, and others) that back up that theory, and the conference does more to ensure we don't become frequent visitors to the same game. I believe if we win 7, we can't get passed by a 6-6 team, so let's hope the Gophs get one or both to finish the season and end up in a good spot.
 

Only thing that’s pretty much a lock is no Detroit since last year
Apparently that's not the case anymore and we could still go to Detroit.

I know people don't like it, but that was one of the most fun days I've ever had going to that bowl game.
 

Well, we ARE the kings of the Detroit Bowl game. Central Michigan, Georgia Tech, Bowling Green. Next..........
 


Apparently that's not the case anymore and we could still go to Detroit.

I know people don't like it, but that was one of the most fun days I've ever had going to that bowl game.
They still try to avoid it but it isn’t a rule


I saw Georgia tech game and loved Detroit
 

I remember the talk of “the Gopher fans don’t travel to low level bowl games as teams who go to better locations”.

Always seemed like “the beatings will continue until morale improves “.
 

The whole travel of fans deal has been debunked in my opinion. Conferences have a bigger say than the bowls now I believe.
 

on the last episode of "Gopher Gridiron Radio," they had a guest on who is supposed to be the Bowl Game Guru for Gopher Illustrated. according to this guy, the conference works with the Bowl committees to try and place teams. they do try to avoid having teams play in the same bowl multiple times if they can avoid it. they also think about matching up teams that would make for a 'better' or more competitive game.

obviously, there are a lot of different outcomes possible depending on whether the Gophers go 2-0, 1-1 or 0-2 in their last three games. But the guest said, at this point, he thinks the Gophers have the highest odds of landing in the Duke's Mayo bowl. If the Gophers upset Penn State, then they could get the Music City Bowl, but if they go 1-1, he thought they would wind up in the Mayo Bowl.

he was asked about Detroit, and said he thought the odds were almost zero that the Gophers go back to Detroit.

one thing to remember - even though the old PAC-12 no longer exists, there are still contracts between certain bowls and the PAC-12. So if teams like UCLA, USC and Washington become bowl-eligible, they would likely be slotted into bowls as a PAC-12 team. that reduces the number of B1G teams that need bowl assignments. and when you add that up to 4 B1G teams could be in the Playoffs, the Gophers could wind up with a 'better' bowl assignment.
 




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