Thank you for your misguided input. Iowas will see what a weaker oline brings this year. And I hope you are right about 6-7 wins this year will get Coach Brewster COY. That award will really help put recruiting at a new level. WE ARE BUILDING SOMETHING GOOD HERE! GO GOPHERS!!!!
Big Ten Top 25 Players
- Thread starter tjgopher
- Start date
Thank you for your misguided input. Iowas will see what a weaker oline brings this year. And I hope you are right about 6-7 wins this year will get Coach Brewster COY. That award will really help put recruiting at a new level. WE ARE BUILDING SOMETHING GOOD HERE! GO GOPHERS!!!!
lakesgopher
Active member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2009
- Messages
- 1,886
- Reaction score
- 0
- Points
- 36
i agree good programs/coaches give their best underclassmen a chance for success. those teams are usually dominated by juniors and seniors with a few fresh/sophs mixed in. but like you said "good programs!" the u of m isnt considered a "good program" therefore developing young talent with no upperclassmen support is difficult. i would say our defense was in a nice spot last year giving several young guys a chance in situations for success as well as putting them into a nice position to have games under their belts for when they take over. it could have been a huge success for brew to play all of his guys right away or it could have been an even bigger failure. brew did the right thing in my opinion when we are trying to build a program. he had the "kids" hitting the books hard, in the strength/conditioning rooms, learning behind the scenes. he has his guys bigger, faster, stronger, as well as created a very young confident group. sounds to me your more of instant gratification guy and you think turning minnesota's average program into a power is as easy to do as nick saban at alabama. when in reality we have the worst big 10 football budget, in an nfl city, with fair weather gopher fans. the fan support is always going to be the biggest difference with the gophers compared to a school like michigan. michigan went 3-9 and still destroyed the big ten in attendance avg 108,500. if the gophers are looking @ 3-9 how many do we get to show up???
Yes. Winner
Amazing how with some of the Gopher posters... it's damn near impossible to stay on subject. We either get the "6 National Championships"(from the days before most Gopher fans were even alive) or the posts result in personal attacks to a poster with contrary opinions.
Not that the personal attacks phase me but I can see where supporting data is somewhat hard to come by when discussing the future of Brewster football at the U.
It's not by coincidence that the Gopher football program started its' spiral when the Vikings arrived in town. The Twin Cities is just not a college friendly environment and the Gophs have paid the price. Outside of a few good seasons under cheatin Lou... no coach has been able to sustain success. I suspect the coach that succeeds Brewster will learn this as well.
As Iowans... college athletics is important to us. The athletes on campus know how important the Hawks are to the State of Iowa. We are proud of our success and realize how jealous Gopher fans are. To that fact I say "reap it"!
This web site is properly named... The Gophers are indeed in a "gopherhole".
Not that the personal attacks phase me but I can see where supporting data is somewhat hard to come by when discussing the future of Brewster football at the U.
It's not by coincidence that the Gopher football program started its' spiral when the Vikings arrived in town. The Twin Cities is just not a college friendly environment and the Gophs have paid the price. Outside of a few good seasons under cheatin Lou... no coach has been able to sustain success. I suspect the coach that succeeds Brewster will learn this as well.
As Iowans... college athletics is important to us. The athletes on campus know how important the Hawks are to the State of Iowa. We are proud of our success and realize how jealous Gopher fans are. To that fact I say "reap it"!
This web site is properly named... The Gophers are indeed in a "gopherhole".
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! I think we hurt his feelings. When your togetherness surges you to a National Championship, we will allow you at the table of champions to speak. Until then
you have a place.I'm seriously concerned with your lack of follow through and what it is going to mean for our bathrooms. Do you have any suggestions on what we should do to remind you that people don't have sex in bathrooms at football stadiums?
chi-town gopher
Member
- Joined
- Dec 23, 2008
- Messages
- 213
- Reaction score
- 0
- Points
- 16
That is the kind of post a person that never actually watched the Gophers play would make. I will grant you that the offense looked lost when Decker went down, but the idea that the underclassmen did nothing (especially on defense) is insane.
You probably only watched the game against Iowa so I will refer to that game for your benefit. Gary Tinsley (sophomore at the time) and Ryan Collado (Junior at the time) recorded 5 combined sacks against your stud o-line. Does that count for production? There are other games where I could point to the contributions of Kirksey, Cooper, Edwards, Carter, and Wilhite. They were all freshmen/sophomores . There were 9 seniors that started on the defense at the beginning of the season, but their best 11 players by the end weren't filled by 9 seniors. Several lost their starting spots and a few others split snaps. Even though the offense was bad at the end of the year Stoudemire, Green, McKnight, Allen, Gray, and a few other fr/so have shown flashes. Even a person that hates the Gophs would admit all of the guys I've mentioned are more athletic than previous Gopher underclassmen. Does that mean we should think the Gophers are winning the big ten next year? Probably not, but you forget that this coaching staff turned a number of guys with less talent into NFL players. You praised Tripplet in your post, and I can tell you that all of the guys I mentioned on D looked better than he did as a freshmen.
The fact is most impartial observers didn't watch enough Gopher football to accurately predict next season. I am anything but impartial, but my opinion is that the defense might struggle early but the group is much more talented than last year. I think the defense will be a better unit by the middle of the season. The offense should be better because frankly, it can't be worse than it was the last 4 games. Could I be wrong? Sure, but I watched enough to know that I'm not basing my opinion on nothing. You didn't.
What´s funny is that despite Iowa´s recent success against the Gophers Iowans are the ones with the massive inferiority complex about the Twin Cities. If we are so jealous, then explain to me why Iowa and Badger fans infect our site in mass quantities while, as far as I know, Gopher fans aren´t exactly taking over The Nest, or whatever you call your sites.
If you weren´t Pantherhawk I might have sympathy. Minneapolis is an incredible city in the 15th biggest media market in the US. Clearly that scares you and your brethren. Frankly, I couldn´t care less about the Hawkeyes or Badgers as I am confident about what Brewster is building in Minneapolis.
Go back to your light sabers now, por favor.
Hates Monikers
Well-known member
- Joined
- Nov 20, 2008
- Messages
- 2,973
- Reaction score
- 629
- Points
- 113
I was going to post something similar, and you beat me to it. I would add that Theret, while not young anymore, is a solid contributor and Brew recruit. And Brewster got a lot out of a few JUCO recruits who helped turn the worst defense in DI football in 2007 into at least an average unit in 2008 and 2009.
Brewster ignored the offensive line in his first full recruiting class and was not able to get a top RB into school in his first few years. He's paying for those things now. But his recruiting, coaching, or whatever it is has improved the defense. Faint praise based on the defenses Mason finished with, but it's improvement nonetheless.
What all of you blind fans fail to realize are that teams that played the Gophers last season played pretty conservative offensive football, thus making your porous defense look better than it actually was. And the reason teams played conservative was really very simple... your offense was so pathetic and inept that opposing coaches knew it wouldn't take many points on offense to beat the Gophers. Why you uneducated fans don't understand this is hard to understand!!
To put this into simpler terms... the guys you had on defense wouldn't be starters at most other Big 10 programs. Maybe some could be capable backups at Wisky and Iowa, but certainly not starters.
People that are PAID to watch and analyze college football know this too. Thus... the lack of respect again this year in the preseason pubs.
I don't expect posters on this site to be objective, but I do expect some level of knowledge regarding the upcoming season.
Guess my expectations are too lofty based on what I've read on this thread.
To put this into simpler terms... the guys you had on defense wouldn't be starters at most other Big 10 programs. Maybe some could be capable backups at Wisky and Iowa, but certainly not starters.
People that are PAID to watch and analyze college football know this too. Thus... the lack of respect again this year in the preseason pubs.
I don't expect posters on this site to be objective, but I do expect some level of knowledge regarding the upcoming season.
Guess my expectations are too lofty based on what I've read on this thread.
Bob_Loblaw
Well-known member
- Joined
- Oct 23, 2009
- Messages
- 21,008
- Reaction score
- 16,710
- Points
- 113
This entire world of Iowa trolls living on Gopher boards is incredibly odd. I just don't get it. I realize that the Gopher program is a mess (and has been most of my life, but i'm a Gopher fan, so i'm here). These trolls are coming over here calling the Gopher football program insignificant. Well if we are so insignificant, why are you here? Why would you waste your time with that nonsense? It says something about your life that you would troll something that you deem insignificant.
Ok, so you want to act like you want to talk football and not troll, lets go.
You are implying that the Gopher defense was decent because of their conservative offense. Now, lets look into this stupidity.
-Now, I would hope that we could both agree that the reason why conservative offenses help defenses is really twofold. First, they have more ball control, when you have the ball the other offense isn't on the field. Second, you can play the field position game easier because you will (in theory) have less TOs. It really comes down to holding the ball longer and field position. So, lets look into it.
#1: Ball Control: The Gophers finished 8th in the Big 10 in time of possesion. It is safe to say that there defense was on the field more than most Big 10 teams (two of the teams with a worse TOP never played the Gophers). You could also that is a compenant of the Gophers not being able to get off the field. So lets look beyond TOP. The Gophers also finished DEAD LAST in First Downs. Which means, that this conservative offense wasn't holding onto the ball for long drives and was often giving the ball immedietly back to the other team.
#2: Not many TOs: The Gophers had the third most TO's in the Big 10 last season.
In conclusion, the Gophers ATTEMPTED to help out their defense by running a conservative offense, but they failed. The Gophers offense didn't hold onto the ball for long periods of time and didn't protect the ball. Therefore, the fact that they ran a conservative offense could not have been the reason why they had a decent defense last year.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that you have to look at offense and defense in concert with eachother. However, to act as if our putrid offense that was DEAD LAST in first downs, one of the worst teams in the Big 10 in TOP, and one of the worst teams in the Big 10 at turning the ball over was the reason our defense looked decent that is illogical.
Now, for your argument that our offense was so bad that teams knew that they would play conservative as well. We both know that you pulled that completely out of your ace. The Gopher football team faced the third most pass attempts of all the teams in the Big 10 (and they didn't play the team that passes the most in the Big 10 (Indiana)). Two of the other teams who faced more passing attempts - - Penn St. and Ohio St (who were usually playing against teams who were losing (thus more passing)). So how does that jive with your theory?
See, I know you went way out of your way to talk about Gopher fans being uneducated, so I would assume you looked into this theory before declaring it on our board.
Ok, so you want to act like you want to talk football and not troll, lets go.
You are implying that the Gopher defense was decent because of their conservative offense. Now, lets look into this stupidity.
-Now, I would hope that we could both agree that the reason why conservative offenses help defenses is really twofold. First, they have more ball control, when you have the ball the other offense isn't on the field. Second, you can play the field position game easier because you will (in theory) have less TOs. It really comes down to holding the ball longer and field position. So, lets look into it.
#1: Ball Control: The Gophers finished 8th in the Big 10 in time of possesion. It is safe to say that there defense was on the field more than most Big 10 teams (two of the teams with a worse TOP never played the Gophers). You could also that is a compenant of the Gophers not being able to get off the field. So lets look beyond TOP. The Gophers also finished DEAD LAST in First Downs. Which means, that this conservative offense wasn't holding onto the ball for long drives and was often giving the ball immedietly back to the other team.
#2: Not many TOs: The Gophers had the third most TO's in the Big 10 last season.
In conclusion, the Gophers ATTEMPTED to help out their defense by running a conservative offense, but they failed. The Gophers offense didn't hold onto the ball for long periods of time and didn't protect the ball. Therefore, the fact that they ran a conservative offense could not have been the reason why they had a decent defense last year.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that you have to look at offense and defense in concert with eachother. However, to act as if our putrid offense that was DEAD LAST in first downs, one of the worst teams in the Big 10 in TOP, and one of the worst teams in the Big 10 at turning the ball over was the reason our defense looked decent that is illogical.
Now, for your argument that our offense was so bad that teams knew that they would play conservative as well. We both know that you pulled that completely out of your ace. The Gopher football team faced the third most pass attempts of all the teams in the Big 10 (and they didn't play the team that passes the most in the Big 10 (Indiana)). Two of the other teams who faced more passing attempts - - Penn St. and Ohio St (who were usually playing against teams who were losing (thus more passing)). So how does that jive with your theory?
See, I know you went way out of your way to talk about Gopher fans being uneducated, so I would assume you looked into this theory before declaring it on our board.
Bob_Loblaw
Well-known member
- Joined
- Oct 23, 2009
- Messages
- 21,008
- Reaction score
- 16,710
- Points
- 113
How did I know that you wouldn't have a response for that?
OK... since you won't let this die.
First of all, thanks for a very detailed response even though you apparently misinterpreted my post. Absolutely nowhere did I imply or insinuate that the putrid Gopher offense had a direct relationship to how the defense played last year. No one is debating the less than stellar performance of Weber and Co. But the main point of the recent discussion was the defense.
You must be a flashback to the days of Woody Hayes and the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" in regards to what is regarded as a "conservative" offense. What you again fail to realize is that college football offenses have evolved and changed because of the superior athleticism of todays' athletes.
The passing game IS/CAN be an integral part of any conservative offense if the players and coaches are creative enough. Your detailed passing statistics assume a passing game is only of the 20+yard nature. Given that scenario... your numbers mean something. What you fail to consider is how the tight ends and running backs are a part of the schemes. The short passing game is now part of conservative offensive football. The Hawkeyes and other creative teams used that to perfection last year vs the Gophs.
While I didn't watch every minute of every U game last year, I do have the BTN and saw all or most of the Gopher conference games and teams definitely played conservative offensively against Brewsters' boys. As a point of reference... Iowa was using a backup qb and Ferentz knew his defense could win that game. So while 12-0 is a definite improvement from 55-0, Iowa was never in danger of losing last years' game. Gopher fans took solace that the score was closer, but Minnesota never threatened the Hawks.
So while I regret you had to spend so much time researching meaningless statistics, try watching a few games to get a REAL feel for how things really were!!
Fact is... the younger guys may be better than some of the upperclassmen at the U, but considering how bad the older guys are, that's not saying much. Certainly aren't any top 100 guys on the roster. Thus, the lack of respect.
You realize that all of your points were just proven seriously wrong by the stats BoB_Loblaw laid out right? Calling them meaningless doesn't make them meaningless. You lose. Next time try to watch more than 1 game of a team before building an argument.
I think Iowee fans take more solace from the 12-0 score than we do. The idea that there was no chance of losing that game is laughable. Your D bailed you out in a very losable game.
The amount of redzone turnovers and failed 4th down attempts made it a very close game.
Punt returner Bryant Allen(another freshman contributor)doesn't trip over a finger on his way to the endzone, it easily could have been 12-7 right there, therefore converting the 2 failed redzone 4th down attempts to makeable Fg's, 13-12. It didn't go that way, we lost, but don't try to play off the sweat beading up on the meatnecks of all the piglovers in TCF Bank South that afternoon.
Run along little Pigeon.
You guys need to realize that game stats don't always tell the story. I watched parts or all of the Gopher conference games last year. So save your garble because you, my friend, know not of what you post.
That "TCF South" stuff did make me laugh, however. Glad that despite all the losing... Gopher fans still have a sense of humor.
The real problem at the U seems to be your AD. Maturi has so much invested in "his" guy that Brewster has more stability than he probably should have. That's good news for the rest of the Big 10, but not so much for Minnesota.
One more thing to put in perspective... think of a conservative offense and the days of Fran Tarkenton. Great passing stats but a lot of the short passing game to inflate the stats. CONSERVATIVE does not mean "run only".
Your comments about the game at Iowa last year sound like the script Brewster probably sounded after the game... "Man, if only so and so hadn't tripped, Man, if only so and so hadn't gone down with that injury, Man, if only the field conditions were better... yada/yada/yada"
Jealousy runs rampant on this forum.
BTW: Thanks for Binns, Klug, Eubanks, and the host of other Minnesota high school stars that found success in Iowa City. I'm sure there will be many more, regardless of who the next head coach/AD will be.
That "TCF South" stuff did make me laugh, however. Glad that despite all the losing... Gopher fans still have a sense of humor.
The real problem at the U seems to be your AD. Maturi has so much invested in "his" guy that Brewster has more stability than he probably should have. That's good news for the rest of the Big 10, but not so much for Minnesota.
One more thing to put in perspective... think of a conservative offense and the days of Fran Tarkenton. Great passing stats but a lot of the short passing game to inflate the stats. CONSERVATIVE does not mean "run only".
Your comments about the game at Iowa last year sound like the script Brewster probably sounded after the game... "Man, if only so and so hadn't tripped, Man, if only so and so hadn't gone down with that injury, Man, if only the field conditions were better... yada/yada/yada"
Jealousy runs rampant on this forum.
BTW: Thanks for Binns, Klug, Eubanks, and the host of other Minnesota high school stars that found success in Iowa City. I'm sure there will be many more, regardless of who the next head coach/AD will be.
dpodoll68
Elite Poster
- Joined
- Nov 24, 2008
- Messages
- 19,323
- Reaction score
- 971
- Points
- 113
Yeah, we're super jealous of your zero national titles.
How does it feel to have zero national championships and be totally irrelevant on a national scale in college football? At least Minnesota only has to deal with the latter.
After the last two defeats to Iowa, it is a little comforting to tune in to Gopherhole to watch a Hawkeye get his a** handed to him.
We're probably an hour or two away from another "well I've had fun. see you in November" post.
We're probably an hour or two away from another "well I've had fun. see you in November" post.
I just looked in Webster's Dictionary for the definition of "irrelevent", and lo and behold, I see a picture of some rodent holding a football. How's that for ironic?
Those National Championships from the days before the television was invented sure are a point of pride for Minnesotans. Kind of like how happy the Japanese were on December 8, 1941. How did that turn out? Yeah... no one around the country knows about Iowa Football. Ferentz' name never surfaces on NFL job searches, Iowa never plays in BCS Bowl level games.. oh wait, scratch that. You realize just how stupid you sound with your comments? If not, I really feel sorry for you.
BTW: Can I buy tix for the Iowa game at TCF from the ticket office yet? Oh nevermind... I'll just get em for 10 bucks outside the stadium on game day when the Gophs are 4-7 and the Hawks are 9-2.
Why stop with just the last two defeats to the Hawks? Go back to the days of Mason, and Wacker, and Gutey, and you get the idea.
How's Maturi's effort to get a trophy game with NDSU going? Or maybe SDSU? A game where the Gophs at least have a chance to win.
Oh well, there's always hockey season around the corner.
Unregistered User
Wild animal with a keyboard
- Joined
- Jan 17, 2010
- Messages
- 15,617
- Reaction score
- 6,137
- Points
- 113
You really don't understand irony do you? I'm not surprised.
Uh...and thanks for Tom Arnold and Ashton Kutcher. Wow...your state really has brought a lot to the plate. Thanks a pant-load.
dpodoll68
Elite Poster
- Joined
- Nov 24, 2008
- Messages
- 19,323
- Reaction score
- 971
- Points
- 113
How does Kirk Ferentz being mentioned for NFL jobs make Iowa relevant? Oh wait, it doesn't. People with elite jobs (Urban Meyer, Jim Tressel, Mack Brown, etc.) never/rarely get mentioned for NFL jobs, because they already have a job that's equivalent or better. Kirk Ferentz is constantly at the top of wish lists because his current job is located at the anus of the universe. Iowa is a notch below elite, which in terms of national consciousness is pretty much the same as nothing. If you're not winning championships, you're just tied for 2nd place along with everyone else. At least Minnesota can remember when it finished the season as national champion. When was the last time Iowa was playing for a chance at a national title? Oh, that's right - a quarter past never.
You can keep harping on the last few years, because that's all you have. I sure wish I could hang my hat on continued dominance over a team that's been mediocre-to-pathetic the last forty years. Not to mention be so concerned over their eventual return to prominence that I lamely hang out on their team's fan boards and spew my filth all over. Yup, I'd be real proud of myself.
Seriously... fans on this forum make ISU fans look intelligent.
The U has few top level coaches in any sport outside of baseball and wrestling. And the wrestling coach came from Iowa. Hell.. it sounds like Tubby's honeymoon may be over. A move to Division 1AA might be in order.
Ski U Mah!!
The U has few top level coaches in any sport outside of baseball and wrestling. And the wrestling coach came from Iowa. Hell.. it sounds like Tubby's honeymoon may be over. A move to Division 1AA might be in order.
Ski U Mah!!
dpodoll68
Elite Poster
- Joined
- Nov 24, 2008
- Messages
- 19,323
- Reaction score
- 971
- Points
- 113
You're already resorting to non-sequiturs? What a pathetic attempt at arguing for any kind of dominance Iowa has in anything.
Iowa has a good wrestling program and pretty much nothing else. How is that any better than what Minnesota has?
I've gotta admit, as big of an idiot as this Iowa troll has been, let's not go overboard there.
Iowa was in the national title discussion last year into November and may have been in it up to the end of the season had the QB not gotten hurt.
They've finished the season in the nation's Top Ten in four of the last eight years.
I mean, sure its nice we won some hardware in the 1930s and 40s. But, I sure wasn't around to enjoy and frankly don't take a great deal of enjoyment bragging about it to fans of much more relevant programs today. Cripes, I'd like ANY hardware in my lifetime (our best finish is 3rd place since I was born in 1968). Iowa's been to three Rose Bowls, two Orange Bowls, won five Big Ten titles, been to eight January bowl games, 22 bowl games overall, and has had six finishes in the Top Ten in the last 30 years. We have zip.
I'd LOVE for Minnesota to have a run like that in my lifetime. As of now, I guess we're left bragging to them about our national titles from before my own parents were born. Sure, I'm proud of that tradition, but certainly wouldn't use it to brag to fans of other teams that have done much more during my own lifetime. Some of you can get your jollies out that, but it doesn't turn me on in any way.
Hmmm.
And yet you come over HERE, and get outsmarted and your argument totally revoked by LobLaw's statistics.
What does that say about you?
Our National Championships are only irrelevant to those with no history, it's like saying Bronko Nagurski's place in college football is irrelevant.
You've had a nice stretch with Ferentz, congrats, happy for ya.
When it's all said and done, we'll still have 6 national titles, and Iowa will be back to being a middle of the road Big Ten team in a mudhole state with nothing to offer anyone but pigs and fuglyness.
Seriously, run along little pigeon before you hurt yourself thinking about your place in the world and how insignificant your little squakeyes are.
dpodoll68
Elite Poster
- Joined
- Nov 24, 2008
- Messages
- 19,323
- Reaction score
- 971
- Points
- 113
Again, so what? None of that means anything. They have never won anything of real importance other than best loser. When's the last time you heard a college football national talking head mention Iowa? They don't. When's the last time a national college football writer wrote an article about Iowa? They don't. They talk/write about Ohio St., Texas, Florida, Alabama, USC, Tennessee, Florida St., Penn St., etc. - the teams that have actually done something. Iowa is a nothing and a nobody.
Whose side are you on here? Or did you conveniently forget the one from 1960?
So what? Doesn't mean it didn't happen. There are a lot of people alive today who saw not only the most recent national title, but all six of them. No one has ever been alive in the course of human history to have ever seen an Iowa national title.
That's great. When Minnesota was relevant, they were REALLY relevant. Even though it was a long time ago, it did indeed happen. Anyone and everyone who followed college football knew who they were and feared them. Do you think Florida or Texas fans in 2010 know or care about Iowa? Do you think they fear them? Iowa has never been relevant in the history of college football. They are a nothing and nobody.
How is it possible that you were born in 1968 and your parents weren't yet born by 1960? Did they conceive you when they were toddlers?
Yeah, The Gophers had 2 TOs within the red zone, 2 times failed on 4th down, McKnight dropped a TD pass in the 1st quarter, Bryant Allen´s return.
Look Iowa troll---you are totally delusional if you think last year´s game wasn´t close from start to finish.
and again---Iowa fans have the inferiority complex. You have posted on here under how many aliases? with how many monikers?
If the Gophers are so irrelevant why do you are so much? I´ve never one been anywhere near a Badger or Hawkeye board, and never will.
Clearly, you guys are afraid of what is being built at Minnesota. I don´t really care about your squad, Gophers fans care about the Gophers and know that Brewster and co. are building something made to last.
The fact that this clearly keeps you awake at night is amusing.
Look, we don't need to argue specifics. I'm just saying in general terms bragging to a fan base about our national titles (most of them from the 30s and 40s, and one from the 60s), just doesn't do much for me. Especially when the barbs are directed at the Iowas and Wisconsins of the world, who actually have accomplished a few notable things on the football field in my lifetime. That's all I'm saying. You can brag about them, that's fine. I just don't particularly get a lot of enjoyment out of it. To me, it sounds rather desparate..."yeah, but we won six national titles before anyone around here was around to enjoy it! So there!." Again, great for history books, but not so great for my own enjoyment. Doesn't mean they didn't happen and that they weren't significant. They were. Just not all that relevant to what's happening in college football today.
And, sure you can say Iowa isn't relevant, either, but who cares? I promise you in the next 30 years if we go to the Rose Bowl three times, the Orange Bowl twice, eight Jan. bowl games in Florida, are in the national title talk into November at least three times, and finish in the Top Ten six times, I really don't care what the national media thinks. I enjoy the Gophers right now as mediocre Big Ten participants. I'd really enjoy it if they could finish Top Ten about once every five years, go to a BCS game one every 5-6 years, win a Big Ten title once every 5-6 years, and consistently beat our border rivals. What's not to like about that? Wouldn't witnessing that be more enjoyable that bragging to Badger or Hawkeye fans about our six national titles, the most recent of which was a half-century ago?
Look, it is no big deal either way. You enjoy bragging about things - most of which happened before you were born. I'd just like to have a few things to brag about that happened while I'm alive. Iowa and Wisconsin have a few. We really don't.
And, yes, that Iowa poster is a complete moron. No doubt about it. An absolute embarrassment to Iowa.
Sean Lumpkin
Member
- Joined
- Apr 13, 2010
- Messages
- 64
- Reaction score
- 0
- Points
- 6
I Believe it was in the 60's not just the 30's and 40's when we last won a national championship. No big deal. It's old history. I agree that the program has been pretty bad for a long time, but for any fan from another team to come on another teams board just to be a troll is pretty pathetic. I think it's ok to talk smack before a big rivalry game, but to do so in the summer is really sad. I feel sorry for people like that, as it shows they truly have no life. I would feel the same way if were a gopher fan on another board talking smack when it wasn't before a particular game. There's someone calling himself StargenesII on the Middle Tennessee board saying the same kind of stupid stuff you are. He sounds nothing like the poster called Stargenes on our board. They call him Pantherhawk and ignore him for the most part. I believe he is not a gopher fan but some idiot posing as one. So childish. I visit boards of other teams we will be playing next, not to talk like a fool, but to learn a little about our next opponent.Anyway, regardless of how good Iowa is in football versus Mn. it really doesn't matter that much. We are sports fans, but it's just sports. We Minnesotan's have so much more to enjoy. What matters is that Iowa is a terrible state compared to Minnesota and no win/loss record in anything from college football to high school girls basketball will change that fact. In addition, we do not bring up the national titles to brag. It's done to "counter" foolishness from fans of other teams that have "never" won a national title, let alone 6. It's a rich tradition to be proud of. We all are not stupid, we know the program has been down for a long time for various reasons, but as fan with some knowledge of the program, we are optimistic about what Brewster is putting together here.