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howeda7 said:
Vacated wins. Ooh. I hope there's a PSU version of dpdoll to admonish them every time they refer to any of them.
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The difference is that PSU football has many accomplishments to be proud of without ever referencing 1998-2011. Minnesota basketball has so little to cling to that many of its fans feel the strange need to resort to reference "accomplishments" gained via cheating.

And that's another difference - PSU football broke no NCAA rules. Minnesota flagrantly and systematically violated many NCAA rules that directly and repeatedly gave them a competitive advantage.
 

dpodoll68 said:
And that's another difference - PSU football broke no NCAA rules. Minnesota flagrantly and systematically violated many NCAA rules that directly and repeatedly gave them a competitive advantage.
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I'd argue that covering up a major sexual predator scandal on campus allowed them to maintain a competitive advantage via recruiting and image, and thus the NCAA had a right to step in.
 

So disappointed with this thread title... Terribly misleading.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
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PANIC by the B1G, they were seeing a possibility of Rutgers coming out of the east vs some west team nobody cares about (MN, IA). Gotta do all they can to get a big name in the CCG.
 

Disappointed. This was as bad as it gets. As far as I'm concerned, that athletic department is a violent sex offender, guilty of serialized crimes against children. Just like a convicted sexual predator, they should have to go door to door and declare themselves: an official from either that university or its athletic department needs some PA time to announce exactly what they are and what they did before the coin toss of all of their road games. Forever. And they should show remorse for it. And they should be on permanent probation.

Nobody forced the current PSU players to go to PSU, or stay once the story broke. They should actually have to sit out the duration of this penalty. Leniency for child rape is not the answer. Also, it is not up to the NCAA to forgive that university for the crimes it committed. That right rests with the victims and their families and that is pretty much it.
 



The NCAA continues to get things wrong.


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I said the NCAA would do this the whole time.

They wanted to look tough in the face of adversity. But once the heat cooled down, they would restore Penn St. because the NCAA just wants money. Don't believe in their morality for a second. Their initial punishment was all smoke and mirrors.

They should have been given the death penalty.
 

Ski U Master said:
PANIC by the B1G, they were seeing a possibility of Rutgers coming out of the east vs some west team nobody cares about (MN, IA). Gotta do all they can to get a big name in the CCG.
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Eh, I'm sure some of this post is sarcasm, but Rutgers is going to get steamrolled when they start playing real teams (which starts this weekend in Piscataway).

**Transitive property alert**

They eeked out a week 1 win against Washington State, who proceeded to get stomped at Nevada last weekend 24-13.
They also beat Howard 38-25, and despite that game not being as close as the final score would indicate, probably should've been a bigger blowout. Howard lost to Akron 41-0 in week 1.

Time will tell if I'm right, but I still think Rutgers loses at least 6 games, and might lose all but one of their remaining (Tulane).

Sorry for the tangent, carry on.
 



I hope Rutgers kicks their ass this weekend.
 

Gopher07 said:
Eh, I'm sure some of this post is sarcasm, but Rutgers is going to get steamrolled when they start playing real teams (which starts this weekend in Piscataway).

**Transitive property alert**

They eeked out a week 1 win against Washington State, who proceeded to get stomped at Nevada last weekend 24-13.
They also beat Howard 38-25, and despite that game not being as close as the final score would indicate, probably should've been a bigger blowout. Howard lost to Akron 41-0 in week 1.

Time will tell if I'm right, but I still think Rutgers loses at least 6 games, and might lose all but one of their remaining (Tulane).

Sorry for the tangent, carry on.
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Yes, mostly sarcasm.
 

I have no respect for Penn State, their so-called culture or their fan base. With that said, I have even less respect for the NCAA. If is any possible way for them to screw up the show, they'll find a way all in the name of big money. If there was ever a case where absolutely no lesson was learned, this is it.
 

MRJ said:
I have no respect for Penn State, their so-called culture or their fan base. With that said, I have even less respect for the NCAA. If is any possible way for them to screw up the show, they'll find a way all in the name of big money. If there was ever a case where absolutely no lesson was learned, this is it.
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You're right. I'm sure that all of the people responsible, who are either incarcerated, terminated, or deceased, are saying to themselves "boy, a week ago, I regretted my actions, but now that the University I no longer work for is eligible to go to bowl games again, I think I might go try it again."
 



bleedsmaroonandgold said:
You're right. I'm sure that all of the people responsible, who are either incarcerated, terminated, or deceased, are saying to themselves "boy, a week ago, I regretted my actions, but now that the University I no longer work for is eligible to go to bowl games again, I think I might go try it again."
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My comment has nothing to do with what the supposed perpetrators did or didn't do. Rather, it's the culture that continues to fester in State College. Don't believe me? Read one of their message boards sometime. It's like a convention of warped delusions. Nothing has changed that culture, which was the whole point in the first place. But hey, football is back baby! Everything is just peachy.
 

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Minnesota and every other B1G institution is now officially tainted by this horrendous situation. Gopher Bandanna Guy and others have done a good job pointing out why Penn State sanctions should not have been lifted. Clearly, a winning Penn State program trumps all else including the welfare of the victims. Delany & Co. are now officially cowards like those running the NCAA. A very sad day to say the least.
 



Many at PSU knew what was happening and naturally looked to the leader at the school, Paterno, for action. Paterno turned a deliberate blind eye to the situation, thereby nothing was done. THAT is the very definition of lack of institutional control (don't kid yourselves that anyone in the actual administration had any actual power), and exactly how a cult works. Leaders lead and Paterno failed completely and miserably.
 

I'd still put my money on Michigan State to win the Eastern division.

Now the Joe Paterno apologist will never admit their hero turned a blind eye to what happened. Their too busy bitching about how much the B1G hates Penn State.
 



They shouldnt have ever punished the students going there right now to not go to a bowl game. What they should do though is have all to money earned by going to these bowl games for the next so many years go to the victims families and other charities for this type of tragedy and psychologists and therapists for any victims of this type of crime. In other words penalize the University itself, not the fans and the players that have nothing to do with it.
 

Gopher Bandanna Guy said:
Station, we've butted heads on this topic before I believe - but I'll reiterate my position again, just so my side of the coin is represented.

While in concept, your position seems logical and fair - the problem is that the overarching CULTURE that football was king in Happy Valley, and was too big to fail and led to a string of bad decisions, failures to follow up, and downright criminal negligence. I'm not certain much of anything was done to de-emphasize the importance of football over kids being raped. Look at the idiot students who rioted, and the Joe-Bots still walk among us with their heads high. I just don't feel that a year or two of NCAA wrist-slapping and backpedaling is enough to correct the culture of a community that placed football on such a high pedestal that their decision-makers couldn't bear to allow it to fail. Current players and coaches were free to leave and play football elsewhere, so its not as if the sanctions forced them to be punished.
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It helps to actually know what you're talking about before making your argument. Little of what you said here is accurate.
 

MNGoldenGophers1 said:
Minnesota and every other B1G institution is now officially tainted by this horrendous situation. Gopher Bandanna Guy and others have done a good job pointing out why Penn State sanctions should not have been lifted. Clearly, a winning Penn State program trumps all else including the welfare of the victims. Delany & Co. are now officially cowards like those running the NCAA. A very sad day to say the least.
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Do you have even the slightest clue what PSU did to help the victims and their families after this was brought to light? Or how the PSU student body worked hard to raise tons of money for related charities? Or how the university itself implemented all kinds of programs and standards to ensure nothing like this would happen again, and this is why Mitchell recommended lessened sanctions?

I suppose you could bother to learn about the situation before spouting off...eh, why bother.
 




cncmin said:
Do you have even the slightest clue what PSU did to help the victims and their families after this was brought to light? Or how the PSU student body worked hard to raise tons of money for related charities? Or how the university itself implemented all kinds of programs and standards to ensure nothing like this would happen again, and this is why Mitchell recommended lessened sanctions?

I suppose you could bother to learn about the situation before spouting off...eh, why bother.
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Even with all that, it still appears that more people at PSU cared about Paterno and the football program than the kids. I don't recall their fans filling the streets in support of the victims.

They're proving it once again tonight.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Even with all that, it still appears that more people at PSU cared about Paterno and the football program than the kids. I don't recall their fans filling the streets in support of the victims.

They're proving it once again tonight.
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I mean really, what do you want them to do? Should they all weep and thrash in the streets? Flog themselves daily in the bathtub? Maybe hold multiple charities to help the kids? Oh...wait...

Did you stop liking Gopher basketball the day the academic scandal arose? Did you shut it off permanently? Didn't think so. It's really unfair to expect PSU students to stop being fans of their team, IMO. They've been through a lot, and the name of their school - through no fault of their own - has been dragged through the mud. They should celebrate good news.
 

cncmin said:
Do you have even the slightest clue what PSU did to help the victims and their families after this was brought to light? Or how the PSU student body worked hard to raise tons of money for related charities? Or how the university itself implemented all kinds of programs and standards to ensure nothing like this would happen again, and this is why Mitchell recommended lessened sanctions?

I suppose you could bother to learn about the situation before spouting off...eh, why bother.
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cncmin, as a PSU Alum and Gopher season ticket holder I appreciate your support.
 

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