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Interesting. Scholarship reductions are still in effect, however?
 

Gopher07 said:
Interesting. Scholarship reductions are still in effect, however?
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Nope. Bowl this year and back to 85 scholarships next year. Could bump the Gophers down come bowl season.
 


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Should have been given the death penalty.
 


Sure there will be plenty that disagree but I am totally Ok with this. I hate the idea that current players and coaches get punished for the actions of people that are no longer associated with the program in any way.
 



MNVCGUY said:
Sure there will be plenty that disagree but I am totally Ok with this. I hate the idea that current players and coaches get punished for the actions of people that are no longer associated with the program in any way.
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Same here. If you want to hate what was done; hate the ones that were guilty of the actions, not the ones that are there now.
 

Franklin has a top class coming and this will only help. Glad they went with East/West divisions.
 


Good. They shouldn't have received any athletics sanctions in the first place.
 




MNVCGUY said:
Sure there will be plenty that disagree but I am totally Ok with this. I hate the idea that current players and coaches get punished for the actions of people that are no longer associated with the program in any way.
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Isn't nearly always the case with NCAA sanctions? The players/coaches committing the infractions usually are no longer there(Reggie Bush). Should there be no sanctions on programs where the ones committing the infractions are no longer there?
 

The slap on the wrist just officially became a finger wag.
 

Coolew01 said:
Isn't nearly always the case with NCAA sanctions? The players/coaches committing the infractions usually are no longer there(Reggie Bush). Should there be no sanctions on programs where the ones committing the infractions are no longer there?
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Totally different situations. It is nearly always the case with the ncaa because they are ncaa infractions and it is the only avenue the ncaa has to 'punish' the guilty parties. They have to punish the schools because the coaches and players have moved on. The ncaa will attribute it to 'lack of institutional control'. That term is often miss-used.

In the case of psu; they are charged with criminal offenses. The actual guilty parties will be held accountable in criminal and civil charges.........see Jerry Sandusky.

The NCAA is not part of our legal system or government!
 

It was going to happen sooner or later. This way, B1G/BIG TEN BRAND has a chance to begin to make up some ground to the LEFT COAST PAC teams and the SEC.

It is just a sign that College Football will continue to not be totally left behind the damn nfl.


COMPETE: don't expect to catch a break as a result of ncaa sanctions.
 

station19 said:
Same here. If you want to hate what was done; hate the ones that were guilty of the actions, not the ones that are there now.
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Station, we've butted heads on this topic before I believe - but I'll reiterate my position again, just so my side of the coin is represented.

While in concept, your position seems logical and fair - the problem is that the overarching CULTURE that football was king in Happy Valley, and was too big to fail and led to a string of bad decisions, failures to follow up, and downright criminal negligence. I'm not certain much of anything was done to de-emphasize the importance of football over kids being raped. Look at the idiot students who rioted, and the Joe-Bots still walk among us with their heads high. I just don't feel that a year or two of NCAA wrist-slapping and backpedaling is enough to correct the culture of a community that placed football on such a high pedestal that their decision-makers couldn't bear to allow it to fail. Current players and coaches were free to leave and play football elsewhere, so its not as if the sanctions forced them to be punished.
 

Will they be eligible for the Big 10 Championship game?

Maybe after the collective egg layed by Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State on Saturday, the NCAA thinks that PSU is the best team in the East and they want to see them in postseason play. Don't be shocked if you hear some guys in suits talking about PSU running the table and winning the Big 10 and making the playoffs.
 

station19 said:
Totally different situations. It is nearly always the case with the ncaa because they are ncaa infractions and it is the only avenue the ncaa has to 'punish' the guilty parties. They have to punish the schools because the coaches and players have moved on. The ncaa will attribute it to 'lack of institutional control'. That term is often miss-used.

In the case of psu; they are charged with criminal offenses. The actual guilty parties will be held accountable in criminal and civil charges.........see Jerry Sandusky.

The NCAA is not part of our legal system or government!
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Last sentence is totally true. If government took it over, it would be totally incompetent. :banghead::banghead::banghead:
 

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Gopher Bandanna Guy said:
Station, we've butted heads on this topic before I believe - but I'll reiterate my position again, just so my side of the coin is represented.

While in concept, your position seems logical and fair - the problem is that the overarching CULTURE that football was king in Happy Valley, and was too big to fail and led to a string of bad decisions, failures to follow up, and downright criminal negligence. I'm not certain much of anything was done to de-emphasize the importance of football over kids being raped. Look at the idiot students who rioted, and the Joe-Bots still walk among us with their heads high. I just don't feel that a year or two of NCAA wrist-slapping and backpedaling is enough to correct the culture of a community that placed football on such a high pedestal that their decision-makers couldn't bear to allow it to fail. Current players and coaches were free to leave and play football elsewhere, so its not as if the sanctions forced them to be punished.
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Good point. Time to move on. There are some things that can not be decided on GH.:horse:
 

station19 said:
Totally different situations. It is nearly always the case with the ncaa because they are ncaa infractions and it is the only avenue the ncaa has to 'punish' the guilty parties. They have to punish the schools because the coaches and players have moved on. The ncaa will attribute it to 'lack of institutional control'. That term is often miss-used.

In the case of psu; they are charged with criminal offenses. The actual guilty parties will be held accountable in criminal and civil charges.........see Jerry Sandusky.

The NCAA is not part of our legal system or government!
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My reason for hating Penn State is because yes, those "directly" involved have been held accountable on criminal and civil charges, but what no one will ever know is how many people associated with Penn State - former players, students, faculty, administration, fans, "Happy Valley" residents, alumni, etc. - knew of or had heard of the rumors, and did nothing.

It is my belief - not worth anything in a court of law, and I have no evidence, of course - that pretty much anybody close to the program from any of the aforementioned groups would have heard whispers, jokes, rumors, etc of Sandusky and again, did nothing.

I understand those who feel this is justified (the removal of post season sanctions and restoration of scholarships), legally, but nevertheless - I will hate Penn State and the PSU culture eternally.
 

Gopher Bandanna Guy said:
Station, we've butted heads on this topic before I believe - but I'll reiterate my position again, just so my side of the coin is represented.

While in concept, your position seems logical and fair - the problem is that the overarching CULTURE that football was king in Happy Valley, and was too big to fail and led to a string of bad decisions, failures to follow up, and downright criminal negligence. I'm not certain much of anything was done to de-emphasize the importance of football over kids being raped. Look at the idiot students who rioted, and the Joe-Bots still walk among us with their heads high. I just don't feel that a year or two of NCAA wrist-slapping and backpedaling is enough to correct the culture of a community that placed football on such a high pedestal that their decision-makers couldn't bear to allow it to fail. Current players and coaches were free to leave and play football elsewhere, so its not as if the sanctions forced them to be punished.
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Sorry, Bandana - was writing my previous post when you had posted this already (I hadn't seen it, but I agree)
 

Gopher Bandanna Guy said:
Station, we've butted heads on this topic before I believe - but I'll reiterate my position again, just so my side of the coin is represented.

While in concept, your position seems logical and fair - the problem is that the overarching CULTURE that football was king in Happy Valley, and was too big to fail and led to a string of bad decisions, failures to follow up, and downright criminal negligence. I'm not certain much of anything was done to de-emphasize the importance of football over kids being raped. Look at the idiot students who rioted, and the Joe-Bots still walk among us with their heads high. I just don't feel that a year or two of NCAA wrist-slapping and backpedaling is enough to correct the culture of a community that placed football on such a high pedestal that their decision-makers couldn't bear to allow it to fail. Current players and coaches were free to leave and play football elsewhere, so its not as if the sanctions forced them to be punished.
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I respect the present decision. Hard to call a $60 million fine, bowl ban, scholarship reductions and firing of the people in charge as a "wrist-slapping" GBG. That said everything else you said holds true. The e-mails show that most of the cover-up was due to how releasing the information would hurt the football program period. Pretty disingenuous to then listen to PSU fans whine about penalties that were directed at that program.

Wonder how many kids would have been saved if those SOBS had put doing the right thing above protecting Joe Pa and the Lions.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Because it could/will affect our bowl game this year.
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Jerry Palm has already updated his projections (I know, I know, bowl projections on September 8th are worthless), and has Penn State in the Holiday Bowl. Gophers move down to the Pinstripe Bowl (which was my preseason prediction) vs. Pitt.
 

Iceland12 said:
I respect the present decision. Hard to call a $60 million fine, bowl ban, scholarship reductions and firing of the people in charge as a "wrist-slapping" GBG. That said everything else you said holds true. The e-mails show that most of the cover-up was due to how releasing the information would hurt the football program period. Pretty disingenuous to then listen to PSU fans whine about penalties that were directed at that program.

Wonder how many kids would have been saved if those SOBS had put doing the right thing above protecting Joe Pa and the Lions.
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I'd agree with you on it not exactly being wrist-slapping, if i didn't think this scandal was far worse in scope than 1970s SMU's paying players, etc. i.e. the 'Death Penalty'. Children's lives were ruined by a monster that was given free reign all over campus for over 10 years. That free reign could have been stopped. But maintaining the perfect football image was too important to too many people.

So that's where I'm coming from.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
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Vacated wins. Ooh. I hope there's a PSU version of dpdoll to admonish them every time they refer to any of them.
 

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