Be honest!!!

[STPGopher]

It’s a state.

 

[Great Plains Gopher]

Starting his first year at Wisconsin? Hell, yes.

 

[gopherdudepart2]

Bielema is a darn good football coach. Would he ever coach at Minnesota, I doubt it. Only place he is leaving ILL for I think is to coach in the Pros or Iowa.

 

[caliGopher]

Bielema recruits at about the same ranking as PJ. He has better game prep and in game coaching. I like PJ, but it is frustrating to see him regularly outcoached in games in which nominal talent is essentially equal. Since Ciarocca left our offense doesn’t seem to put defenses in stressful decision situations.

He gets out-coached, because he's not a coach. He's the CEO.

Which can work when you have competent managers to run the show.

When you hire interns to start running the show, don't let them make any decisions, and only have a one trick approach, generally you fail to succeed.

 

[Spaulding!No!]

Live and die Hawkeye. No thanks

 

[Husker Dont's]

Explain Arkansas.

Rob Smith! PJ made the same mistake in the beginning.

 

[Stuff]

Today yes, 4-0 versus 2-2. Easy decision. Things could easily change though.

Bret owns PJ just like Kirk does.

 

[Five Toes]

I think BB is probably a better coach than Fleck, but I'd prefer door #2.

Yea BB has been a good coach and has our number. Not sure on door #2 but we have to support PJ.

 

[EasyThere Pilgrim]

How many of you would rather have Beilema as your coach as of September 26th? I never thought I’d type this…

Coaching?? We're still talking about coaching?

 

[1983]

How many of you would rather have Beilema as your coach as of September 26th? I never thought I’d type this…

1 million percent. Its not even close.

 

[RememberMurray]

Bielema at Illinois: 22-19, 13-15 in the B1G

Fleck at Minnesota: 52-36, 29-33 in the B1G.

I hope that clears things up for the OP. Can we expect any more questions from the guy with 113 total posts? We're here to help, you know.

 

[RememberMurray]

If they recruit at the same level but Bielema is better at prep and in game coaching, you'd think he'd have seen better results in recent years than Fleck's teams.

Yes, you would think so. But then, some people tend to react rather than analyze. How many people who answered the question did so based on a pre-conceived notion, rather than simply doing a Google search and comparing coaching records?

 

[Pompous Elitist]

Everyone’s just going to ignore the Wisconsin years. Fair enough. You guys have a promising future in pharma/academic research.

 

[BTChamp]

Everyone’s just going to ignore the Wisconsin years. Fair enough. You guys have a promising future in pharma/academic research.

In all fairness everyone tries to ignore wisconsin. But like herpes they never go away.

 

[RememberMurray]

Everyone’s just going to ignore the Wisconsin years. Fair enough.

No, not at all. For some, the distant, misty past can be a source of joyful nostalgia. How far back do you want to go in your trip down memory lane?

 

[Pompous Elitist]

No, not at all. For some, the distant, misty past can be a source of joyful nostalgia. How far back do you want to go in your trip down memory lane?

OK, reframing the question a little

1. Is there any coach in America you’d take over Philip John
2. For Bert, setting aside his irritating persona, his bobber physique, his tenure and behavior at Wisconsin, his Iowa heritage has he had a below average career, overall, as a coach.

I just need to know where you’re coming from.

 

[Allshade]

I'd take him in a heart beat.

 

[Word]

OK, reframing the question a little

1. Is there any coach in America you’d take over Philip John
2. For Bert, setting aside his irritating persona, his bobber physique, his tenure and behavior at Wisconsin, his Iowa heritage has he had a below average career, overall, as a coach.

I just need to know where you’re coming from.

Outside of his time at Wisconsin he's been a worse coach than PJ. Horrible at Arkansas and about the same at Illinois as PJ at Minnesota.
So overall, when not propped up by Barry Alvarez and the Wisconsin system at the time, he's been a worse coach than PJ.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

No, not at all. For some, the distant, misty past can be a source of joyful nostalgia. How far back do you want to go in your trip down memory lane?

How is it possible to analyze anything without looking at the numbers (ie the distant, misty past)?

 

[caliGopher]

No, not at all. For some, the distant, misty past can be a source of joyful nostalgia. How far back do you want to go in your trip down memory lane?

Can we look at these Facts in this ridiculous conversation?

Illinois 3 years B1G conference games prior to Bret "Summer's Eve" Bielema: 8-18 (.308)
Illinois first 3 years B1G games under Bret "Summer's Eve" Bielema: 12-15 (.444)

+ 4 wins / +.136
With one more opportunity

Minnesota 3 years B1G conference games prior to Fleck: 12-13 (.480)
Minnesota first 3 years B1G games under Fleck: 12-15 (.444)

+0 wins / -.036

With three more opportunities

And to answer the question that started this thread:

No, I do not want Summer's Eve as our coach.

To paraphrase Meatloaf: I would do anything for a competent coach to take the next step, but I won't do that.

 

[PMWinSTP]

I wondered about that too. And they said "close the boarder", but it is not like we have much to protect. I know they are dropping coin but it takes a lot of coin.

Close the border for what?

 

[RememberMurray]

How is it possible to analyze anything without looking at the numbers (ie the distant, misty past)?

So the reason you'd prefer Bielema over Fleck is because of Bielema's record at Wisconsin?

 

[RememberMurray]

OK, reframing the question a little

1. Is there any coach in America you’d take over Philip John
2. For Bert, setting aside his irritating persona, his bobber physique, his tenure and behavior at Wisconsin, his Iowa heritage has he had a below average career, overall, as a coach.

I just need to know where you’re coming from.

I've said, many times, that Bielema can flat-out coach.

I happen to think Fleck is a pretty good coach as well. I think that's the sticking point here.

If you look at their career coaching records I don't see Bielema as clearly superior. Bielema failed at Arkansas. In many ways I think he was the beneficiary of Alvarez' impressive legacy at Wisconsin. He's been good but certainly not great at Illinois.

 

[GophersInIowa]

Everyone’s just going to ignore the Wisconsin years. Fair enough. You guys have a promising future in pharma/academic research.

Not ignoring but that was 12+ years ago. He's had 8 full seasons as a head coach since he left Wisconsin. The results of those 8 seasons have not been better than what Fleck has done at MN.

And if we're going to include that, then we also need to look at what Fleck did at W Michigan.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

So the reason you'd prefer Bielema over Fleck is because of Bielema's record at Wisconsin?

Of course that plays a part in it because that is EVIDENCE that he is a good coach. That isn't everything, but when you look for evidence/data/reasons to believe something, you typically analyze things that happened in the past. It's really hard to measure things that have not yet ocurred.

You're the one pretending to be analytical. So how can you be analytical without measuring the data - things that happened in the distant, misty past.

 

[gopherguy]

How many of you would rather have Beilema as your coach as of September 26th? I never thought I’d type this…

This is a no brainer.. yes, of course. If anyone says no to this question that person is delusional.

 

[gopherguy]

Fever to win? Then show me the money

Exactly. There is no money on the scale of the helmet schools. Minnesota does NOT have a billionaire benefactor. Seriously, MN along with Purdue, NW, and some others will not be part of the first tier of college football once this is all played out.

 

[btowngopher]

Can we look at these Facts in this ridiculous conversation?

Illinois 3 years B1G conference games prior to Bret "Summer's Eve" Bielema: 8-18 (.308)
Illinois first 3 years B1G games under Bret "Summer's Eve" Bielema: 12-15 (.444)

+ 4 wins / +.136
With one more opportunity

Minnesota 3 years B1G conference games prior to Fleck: 12-13 (.480)
Minnesota first 3 years B1G games under Fleck: 12-15 (.444)

+0 wins / -.036

With three more opportunities

And to answer the question that started this thread:

No, I do not want Summer's Eve as our coach.

To paraphrase Meatloaf: I would do anything for a competent coach to take the next step, but I won't do that.

Bert did inherit an entire secondary that was drafted plus an NFL rb.

 

[btowngopher]

Outside of his time at Wisconsin he's been a worse coach than PJ. Horrible at Arkansas and about the same at Illinois as PJ at Minnesota.
So overall, when not propped up by Barry Alvarez and the Wisconsin system at the time, he's been a worse coach than PJ.

Huh?

 

[Pompous Elitist]

Outside of his time at Wisconsin he's been a worse coach than PJ. Horrible at Arkansas and about the same at Illinois as PJ at Minnesota.
So overall, when not propped up by Barry Alvarez and the Wisconsin system at the time, he's been a worse coach than PJ.

Totally agree the jury is out on his Ill tenure. But, if we’re going to cut the Wisconsin years then the SEC West years can fairly be ignored. Different animal than the BIG West.

Bert inherited a team in disarray and went on the road and defeated #7 PSU in his first season at Illinois, the upset #20 Gophers at the Bank. The jury is definitely out on this season and they have a big test this weekend. (So does MN.). He’s been up and down but instantly made IL better than Lovie.

In the end, setting aside everything and all the noise if we want to be run heavy strong defense field position Iowa is it better to have a guy that’s actually lived in the Fry/Ferentz Iowa and pre-Fickell Alvarez Wisconsin ecosystems. I’d say it’s arguable.