Badgers fire their OC

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I wish I had a guarantee that our own flawed football squad will beat Wisconsin on Black Friday. Because the struggles of their team would be a lot of fun to witness and poke at as it continues to seem to slide into the abyss.

Move distinctly away from a system that was called the perfect fit for their program and its location, and had proven effective for 25 years? Who could have seen this apparent destiny with mediocrity coming?

I have no idea if the Gophers will beat them this year. I just know that unlike many years when I was disappointed Wisconsin had improved their program, a loss to them now will result in disappointment in my own favorite team to not take care of business against a rival program in decline.
 










Stan said:
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I was just thinking about this today...I would love it if PJ and the Gophers would take a shot on a 'proven' OC. Now Longo might not be the guy...but we have had MAC-level OCs for the entirety of PJ's tenure. Oh how I would love to see us take a shot on a proven OC. Ciarocca may or may not be the exception. He was great in the MAC but in his Big Ten stops (MN, Penn State, and Rutgers) he has been good (great?), not-so-good, and average. In PJs tenure we have hired or promoted Ciarocco, Harbaugh, Simon, and Sanford (I am missing at least one other), none of which was a proven and adequate OC. I have watched the badGers this year and their offense sucks! I attribute most of that to losing their starting QB (Van Dyke) very early in the season. They had clearly planned to make him the center-point if their offense and they struggled mightily when he was removed from the equation. I don't know if Fickell is the answer in Madison (and I hope he is not) and it appears Longo is/was not the answer at OC, but at least Becky took a shot! When, if ever, will we do the same?
 


Could this be a signal that they'll move away from the beloved, vaunted Air Raid?

I watched the Oregon - Wisconsin tilt. To me, it looked like the Badgers moved the ball best when they simply 'pounded the rock', Alvarez-style, with a power running attack. That approach seemed to have Oregon back on their heels a bit. In contrast, when Wisconsin tried to become all 'modern' and 'innovative' and 'cutting-edge', they stumbled badly.
 



RememberMurray said:
Could this be a signal that they'll move away from the beloved, vaunted Air Raid?

I watched the Oregon - Wisconsin tilt. To me, it looked like the Badgers moved the ball best when they simply 'pounded the rock', Alvarez-style, with a power running attack. That approach seemed to have Oregon back on their heels a bit. In contrast, when Wisconsin tried to become all 'modern' and 'innovative' and 'cutting-edge', they stumbled badly.
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Same as they have for the last 2 years. You need a qb for the longo system and they haven’t had one
 


Panthadad2 said:
A pass-heavy offense requires a good QB. Van Dyke's injury earlier in the season had to hurt.
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How easy (or difficult) is it to acquire a good QB at Wisconsin?

Maybe Wisconsin — like Iowa, like Minnesota, like Nebraska — shouldn't put all of their offensive chips on the hope that they'll perennially be able to get a good QB.

I mean, when I think of top-notch Wisconsin QBs I think of... well...

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Russell Wilson ( a one-year transfer).
 

Indiana Gopher said:
I was just thinking about this today...I would love it if PJ and the Gophers would take a shot on a 'proven' OC. Now Longo might not be the guy...but we have had MAC-level OCs for the entirety of PJ's tenure. Oh how I would love to see us take a shot on a proven OC. Ciarocca may or may not be the exception. He was great in the MAC but in his Big Ten stops (MN, Penn State, and Rutgers) he has been good (great?), not-so-good, and average. In PJs tenure we have hired or promoted Ciarocco, Harbaugh, Simon, and Sanford (I am missing at least one other), none of which was a proven and adequate OC. I have watched the badGers this year and their offense sucks! I attribute most of that to losing their starting QB (Van Dyke) very early in the season. They had clearly planned to make him the center-point if their offense and they struggled mightily when he was removed from the equation. I don't know if Fickell is the answer in Madison (and I hope he is not) and it appears Longo is/was not the answer at OC, but at least Becky took a shot! When, if ever, will we do the same?
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$$$$$$
 

RememberMurray said:
How easy (or difficult) is it to acquire a good QB at Wisconsin?

Maybe Wisconsin — like Iowa, like Minnesota, like Nebraska — shouldn't put all of their offensive chips on the hope that they'll perennially be able to get a good QB.

I mean, when I think of top-notch Wisconsin QBs I think of... well...

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Russell Wilson ( a one-year transfer).
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True. I've said it here before...you won't find me complaining that Fuke Lickell decided to move Wisconsin away from being a dominant power running program.
 

Indiana Gopher said:
I was just thinking about this today...I would love it if PJ and the Gophers would take a shot on a 'proven' OC. Now Longo might not be the guy...but we have had MAC-level OCs for the entirety of PJ's tenure. Oh how I would love to see us take a shot on a proven OC. Ciarocca may or may not be the exception. He was great in the MAC but in his Big Ten stops (MN, Penn State, and Rutgers) he has been good (great?), not-so-good, and average. In PJs tenure we have hired or promoted Ciarocco, Harbaugh, Simon, and Sanford (I am missing at least one other), none of which was a proven and adequate OC. I have watched the badGers this year and their offense sucks! I attribute most of that to losing their starting QB (Van Dyke) very early in the season. They had clearly planned to make him the center-point if their offense and they struggled mightily when he was removed from the equation. I don't know if Fickell is the answer in Madison (and I hope he is not) and it appears Longo is/was not the answer at OC, but at least Becky took a shot! When, if ever, will we do the same?
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A helmet school hired Ciarrocca away from Fleck. What they've done on offense since the Mich games is good improvement.
 

gopherphil said:
Isn’t this guy Drake Mayes old OC? Was he not supposed to be Gods gift to bad qb’s?
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Every few years there’s a new QB maker genius guy …. It never lasts long.

QBs will do better or worse depending on the circumstances, but I’m convinced there is no coach that can fundamentally MAKE them better. QBs are good or bad and they are largely just born that way.
 



Schnauzer said:
I wish I had a guarantee that our own flawed football squad will beat Wisconsin on Black Friday. Because the struggles of their team would be a lot of fun to witness and poke at as it continues to seem to slide into the abyss.

Move distinctly away from a system that was called the perfect fit for their program and its location, and had proven effective for 25 years? Who could have seen this apparent destiny with mediocrity coming?

I have no idea if the Gophers will beat them this year. I just know that unlike many years when I was disappointed Wisconsin had improved their program, a loss to them now will result in disappointment in my own favorite team to not take care of business against a rival program in decline.
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It’s very similar to Nebraska installing the west coast offense, in my opinion.

Just not logical

I thought Wisconsin was the worst team remaining on the schedule as we entered the last 5.
I don’t think they’ll remain the same. They’ll either get better or get worse in the next 18 days here
 


RememberMurray said:
How easy (or difficult) is it to acquire a good QB at Wisconsin?

Maybe Wisconsin — like Iowa, like Minnesota, like Nebraska — shouldn't put all of their offensive chips on the hope that they'll perennially be able to get a good QB.

I mean, when I think of top-notch Wisconsin QBs I think of... well...

....


...

Russell Wilson ( a one-year transfer).
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Wisconsin has had a number of QBs get a minute in the nfl since the Alvarez era
 

I don't think the OC was the problem. Fickel looks lost every time I watch a Wisconsin game. They played great against Oregon, but in the end didn't have enough. It wasn't anyone's fault, it was just Oregon had better horses in the end. Badgers have definitely taken a step back and I don't think that's changing anytime soon.
 

RememberMurray said:
Could this be a signal that they'll move away from the beloved, vaunted Air Raid?

I watched the Oregon - Wisconsin tilt. To me, it looked like the Badgers moved the ball best when they simply 'pounded the rock', Alvarez-style, with a power running attack. That approach seemed to have Oregon back on their heels a bit. In contrast, when Wisconsin tried to become all 'modern' and 'innovative' and 'cutting-edge', they stumbled badly.
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Yeah, that’s because Braedyn Locke isn’t good enough to run Oregon’s scout team. He’s 5’10”, has a noodle arm, is slow, and lacks any moxie. He’s a bright kid but shouldn’t be playing D1 football. Why not put in the backup? It’s a true freshman. How would Minny look if Brosmer was out for the season in week 3?
 


TNGophfan said:
Similar to Fleck firing Smith mid-season a few years ago.
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Yup.
Sometimes you fire a guy and everything gets better:
Sometimes you fire a guy and everything gets worse

You rarely fire a coordinator mid season and everything stays the same. Although, Nebraska did last week and they lost by one score, again 😂
 

When as a HC you were supposed to bring a new offensive identity and you fire your OC. That seems like a weak move / makes the HC look bad.

It's a different vibe when the HC has a given offense or defense reputation and they fire the coordinator that matches that reputation.

PJ (or many coaches) could fire an OC and we would think he wants something different, but Fickell ... that's his thing ... who fucked up again?
 

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