B1G Tournament, Game #2: #7 Gophers v. #2 wisconsin [BTN, 5:30PM]

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We lost. Give it a rest, and let's see what happens come Selection Sunday. In or out??? Time will tell.
 


mcal24 said:
Look a few posts above and you'll find a few people blaming the loss entirely on refs

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No one said that. We played like crap. AND the refs were awful
 

It's not on the refs. The Gophers were trying to draw fouls driving inside in the 1st half and unfortunately they weren't calling them. Although, go figure, in the 2nd half they started calling them. Bo stopped Pitino I'm sure to apologize for his team jacking up threes being up 25 with a few minutes go.
 

scools12 said:
maybe it was poorly called but there are some here who are blaming the outcome all on how the game was called.
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I, for one, am not blaming the refs for this loss. I'm blaming Rachel Banham. Ever since she and Andre been hangin' out, that dude done lost his mo-jo. She a ba-aad influence.
 


cncmin said:
mcal - here's the problem. No, the refs most certainly did not directly cause a 26-point differential in the results of that game. But let's go back to when the ****ty reffing began, a few minutes in. What was the score then? The reffing was very biased for about a 10-15 minute stretch there in the first half, in which time the game went, essentially, from tied to a double digit deficit. We'd all like to believe the Gophers are capable of overcoming that kind of deficit; that's not the case. Because of the deficit, panic and frustration set in, and things get worse. Aside from a few more really bad calls in the second half, the reffing in the second half was pretty reasonable. BUT, the game was already decided, since the refs helped contribute to an essentially insurmountable deficit for the Gophers. Again, you're suggesting that only direct effects of bad reffing matter. I disagree strongly. The indirect effects are just as important.

Now, do I believe the Gophers would have won tonight if a fair game was called? Probably not, not the way Brust was shooting and the way Dre Hollins and Malik were shooting. But I do believe they'd have had at least a slight chance, given the effects that reffing had on the momentum and style of that game. Perhaps the Gophers could have kept it close and seen Wisconsin choke in the end. Hard to choke when you're up 10-15 on essentially freebies. And no way do I believe the Gophers would have been anywhere near a 26-point loss given a fair game. And that, to me, is important, as regardless of what you all say; when the selection committee considers the Gophers and sees that they were blown out by 26 in a must-win situation, it doesn't matter to them how that 26-point loss occurred, but that blowout will matter.
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howeda7 said:
No one said that. We played like crap. AND the refs were awful
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sounds like this post believes the refs are to blame for the Badgers getting a lead the Gophers couldn't overcome.
 

GoodasGold said:
I, for one, am not blaming the refs for this loss. I'm blaming Rachel Banham. Ever since she and Andre been hangin' out, that dude done lost his mo-jo. She a ba-aad influence.
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it's always something. no problem blaming her.
 

If we had played better, we'd still have lost trying to overcome the 8-on-5 that was layed on us. It's not unreasonable to be upset that the refs gave us even less of a chance that we already had in a huge game. Get over yourselves.
 




scools12 said:
sounds like this post believes the refs are to blame for the Badgers getting a lead the Gophers couldn't overcome.
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Dishonest and incapable of recognizing reality, as well.

Real peach.
 

I have to be honest, winning the conference championship in hockey is really helping me get over this loss.
 

scools12 said:
sounds like this post believes the refs are to blame for the Badgers getting a lead the Gophers couldn't overcome.
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Wisconsin is nominally the better team. Give them a large, free lead and your probably of winning goes from less than 50% to much less than 50%. Almost any chance the Gophers had at winning was taken away by the stripes. Wisconsin also played a better game than the Gophers, but the two aren't mutually exclusive and therein lies the rub. Why is it so much to ask for a fair game, and why do you have a problem with those that want one?
 

The Hollin's were pathetic, big game, big stage, nothing, you can't blame the refs for that.

Kudos to King and Mathieu, what would this team have been without Mathieu, I shudder to even think of it.
 



Josh Martin tweeted: this Hayes dude aint gettin nothing next year. Wish we had him tonight
 

cncmin said:
Wisconsin is nominally the better team. Give them a large, free lead and your probably of winning goes from less than 50% to much less than 50%. Almost any chance the Gophers had at winning was taken away by the stripes. Wisconsin also played a better game than the Gophers, but the two aren't mutually exclusive and therein lies the rub. Why is it so much to ask for a fair game, and why do you have a problem with those that want one?
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nothing wrong with wanting a fair game. it was a fair game and the better team won. the refs did not give the Badgers some unfair advantage.
 

scools12 said:
nothing wrong with wanting a fair game. it was a fair game and the better team won. the refs did not give the Badgers some unfair advantage.
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No it wasn't. And yes they did. If you can't see that, you're blind. Why do you feel the need to fight other Gopher fans on this? Does it make the loss hurt less or do you just get your rocks off over it?
 

scools12 said:
nothing wrong with wanting a fair game. it was a fair game and the better team won. the refs did not give the Badgers some unfair advantage.
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This is your opinion. You've stated it many times. Obviously, many of us disagree on the latter point. I would tend to agree that the Badgers were better tonight, but if you disagree on the latter, it's defensible to argue that we simply don't know who the better team was given the amount of ref interference.
 

scools12 said:
nothing wrong with wanting a fair game. it was a fair game and the better team won. the refs did not give the Badgers some unfair advantage.
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Wrong. First half getting mugged driving to the rim despite the refs giving Wisconsin hand checks on the other end. Austin getting mugged on a three point attempt that even the commentators said something about. Andre getting an offensive foul for "kicking his feet out"? Hayes working that magical around the back hook everytime he was in the game.

Just a few that stick out in my mind.
 

howeda7 said:
No it wasn't. And yes they did. If you can't see that, you're blind. Why do you feel the need to fight other Gopher fans on this? Does it make the loss hurt less or do you just get your rocks off over it?
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no matter how many times you try and convince yourself of this it isn't true.

why do some Gopher fans go to this same blame the refs card time after time? there is no conspiracy. no one is out the get the Gophers.
 

Seriously, what the hell difference does it make at this point to argue? They were hot as hell. It also seemed like they got to all the crucial loose balls every time it looked like we might get back into it. That said, Ryan is a classless dickhead and I dislike him and their f*cking fans even more after this game if that's possible.
 

scools12 said:
no matter how many times you try and convince yourself of this it isn't true.

why do some Gopher fans go to this same blame the refs card time after time? there is no conspiracy. no one is out the get the Gophers.
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Conspiracy? No. Home teams get Home Cookin' in the B1G. Some more than others. Always been that way. Probably always will be. Wisconsin has one of the most pronounced advantages in the league. Tonight on a supposedly neutral court, it was as bad as I've ever seen it, even at Kohl Center and one or two of you are getting some kind of jollies denying it. No one is saying it's why we lost. But it was brutally officiated, period.
 

howeda7 said:
Conspiracy? No. Home teams get Home Cookin' in the B1G. Some more than others. Always been that way. Probably always will be. Wisconsin has one of the most pronounced advantages in the league. Tonight on a supposedly neutral court, it was as bad as I've ever seen it, even at Kohl Center and one or two of you are getting some kind of jollies denying it. No one is saying it's why we lost. But it was brutally officiated, period.
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The talking heads keep saying that Wisconsin has a shot at a #1 seed. Whether that had anything to do with the officiating??? We'll see tomorrow.
 


Last year he was a point guard and they said he is a two guard. This year he is a two guard and they say he is a point guard.
 

When you get your arse kicked by 26 points our team should shut up, shake hands and get to the bus as quick as possible.

Stop them it is D-1 sports. Gophers played 2 against 5. King and Mattheiu were the only two who showed up.

Benchwarmers shooting threes is what people are worried about? How about Brust handing Dre his lunch and dinner.
 

howieramone said:
He's a point guard.
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One of the big challenges for coach Pitino next year is to find ways to shake Andre loose to let him use that sweet stroke. Teams really took him out of his game the second half of the year and certainly the injury didn't help. He can play either the point or the 2 but on this team he's going to be a 2.
 

Roland Brooks said:
Last year he was a point guard and they said he is a two guard. This year he is a two guard and they say he is a point guard.
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The Tubby haters said he was a two guard. It's not the easiest transition to go from having the ball all the time to not. Dre has been lost most of the year, even before he got the bad wheel. Big mistake to move your best player from the position he's most comfortable at and suited for. I can certainly understand experimenting, but it didn't work this year.
 

howieramone said:
He's a point guard.
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You are a joke... There is no way in hell Andre Hollins is a pg.

He might like the all in his hand, but he's not a point guard.

He might create for himself better than without the ball, but he's no point guard.
 

Winasota Gopher said:
You are a joke... There is no way in hell Andre Hollins is a pg.

He might like the all in his hand, but he's not a point guard.

He might create for himself better than without the ball, but he's no point guard.
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There is a way in hell he is a point guard. He was basically our best player the previous two years playing the point and at one time was projected very highly to be an NBA point guard. Just because Coach P. brought in a very good point in Mathieau doesn't automatically make Dre a good shooting guard as we have all seen. Our two best players play the same position.
 

I can't believe the refs gave the Badgers 3 extra free throws resulting in 2 extra points. Difference in the game.
 

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