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What is evident to me is that the we have subpar assistant coaches. I know we won the game, but Purdue pushed our stool in for most of the game. We have talent but I don’t think our players are getting coached up and our schemes are pedestrian. I think the moment is too big for Danny Collins and Harbaugh is just bad.
 

Golden Shower said:
What is evident to me is that the we have subpar assistant coaches. I know we won the game, but Purdue pushed our stool in for most of the game. We have talent but I don’t think our players are getting coached up and our schemes are pedestrian. I think the moment is too big for Danny Collins and Harbaugh is just bad.
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I think Harbaugh has been adequate (not great) but agree that DC may not be the guy. Unless our players really are that bad. Heard a stat that we've missed 58 tackles the last 4 games. Is that coaching or the players?

I do think it wouldn't hurt to try a new o-line coach.
 



My thoughts - We've had a lot of turnover the last few years on the defensive side of the staff. Add to that the inexperience in the backfield and we were due for a lapse. I think Collins will be okay with some more experience, I think what's hurting us is the that we've had to backfill a number of coaching spots in a couple year period to make up for promotions and we're seeing the repercussions of that. If we can maintain some stability for a year or two it'll level out.

Definitely need to explore some options sooner than later if the oline repeats last night. Purdue is not a world beater on defense.
 



The OL has generally been solid until this season… I’m not willing to say we should fire guys for 6 games…

Purdue offense has put up points this year so that’s no surprise.

I expected an off year anyhow, team has things to work on but that’s not always the coaches.

 
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Golden Shower said:
What is evident to me is that the we have subpar assistant coaches. I know we won the game, but Purdue pushed our stool in for most of the game. We have talent but I don’t think our players are getting coached up and our schemes are pedestrian. I think the moment is too big for Danny Collins and Harbaugh is just bad.
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One thing i've noticed, the O-line obviously is bad at run blocking, no doubt about it, however the run scheme that we have is really uninspiring as well. No misdirection, no guessing, if we're running you know immediately where that runner is headed.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
The OL has generally been solid until this season… I’m not willing to say we should fire guys for 6 games…

Purdue offense has put up points this year so that’s no surprise.

I expected an off year anyhow, team has things to work on but that’s not always the coaches.

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The coaches recruit the players, choose which ones to play, put the schemes in place for them to play with and then coach the game. They are the leaders of the team and just like any leader, whether it be business or anywhere else they are ultimately fully responsible.
 



studentgopher94 said:
One thing i've noticed, the O-line obviously is bad at run blocking, no doubt about it, however the run scheme that we have is really uninspiring as well. No misdirection, no guessing, if we're running you know immediately where that runner is headed.
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This. I think much of the run game issue is scheme. I'm not sure if they're limited by the formations that they want to run through Lindsey or what, but the straight ahead vanilla blocking, often just 5 O-Lineman (maybe a TE) into a 7-8 man front and with no lead blocking, just isn't working.
 

studentgopher94 said:
One thing i've noticed, the O-line obviously is bad at run blocking, no doubt about it, however the run scheme that we have is really uninspiring as well. No misdirection, no guessing, if we're running you know immediately where that runner is headed.
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I think it is a chicken and the egg thing.

OL doesn’t do well generally, so do you give them more complex / more variety of plays… to miss their block on?
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I think it is a chicken and the egg thing.

OL doesn’t do well generally, so do you give them more complex / more variety of plays… to miss their block on?
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You can teach kids in middle school who to block if they can count to five they can figure that out. Schemes aren’t just blocking schemes in the running game there also whether you’re in shotgun, pistol or under center as well as where and how you are getting the running back the ball and where they are supposed to go.
 




TNGophfan said:
I'd like to see us do more quick hitting runs. We can't hold our blocks so the slow, zone blocking, pick your hole thing, doesn't seem to work.
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I think we can't even start our blocks much of the time.

I suspect the idea of letting it play out slowly is to let the RB find the hole because ... it might not be where it should be / often isn't. Some of our best runs seemed like the RB went to a different spot than the blocking would indicate.
 

What’s concerning is how I thought for the last few years the line play on both sides has been pretty darn good. It was hard to run on this D and with Eastern, Smith and JLR returning I thought that would continue. I haven’t seen any young players make much impact other than Menz a little bit. Kind of scary for the future. They better figure it out quick or that transfer portal will be huge. Coaching or players? I’m going coaching as a lot of these recruits are coveted by a lot of other teams which would indicate good talent. I really miss Winston getting those line guys hyped up!
 

NotAFanOfBecky said:
What’s concerning is how I thought for the last few years the line play on both sides has been pretty darn good. It was hard to run on this D and with Eastern, Smith and JLR returning I thought that would continue. I haven’t seen any young players make much impact other than Menz a little bit. Kind of scary for the future. They better figure it out quick or that transfer portal will be huge. Coaching or players? I’m going coaching as a lot of these recruits are coveted by a lot of other teams which would indicate good talent. I really miss Winston getting those line guys hyped up!
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DL was rough on Saturday. WIth Anthony SMith getting double teams someone else needs to step up.
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I think it is a chicken and the egg thing.

OL doesn’t do well generally, so do you give them more complex / more variety of plays… to miss their block on?
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Sounds kinda like what Mason's annual new defensive coordinators would always say: "We're gonna simplify things and get the players reacting and playing fast." And it never worked.

At some point you have to implement a B1G level scheme and either succeed or fail. Playing vanilla...I'd rather lose trying than just avoiding something worse.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
Sounds kinda like what Mason's annual new defensive coordinators would always say: "We're gonna simplify things and get the players reacting and playing fast." And it never worked.

At some point you have to implement a B1G level scheme and either succeed or fail. Playing vanilla...I'd rather lose trying than just avoiding something worse.
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Scary to think Mason had better defenses than Brewster. And Mason defenses were generally bad (except the Ty Carter year).
 

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