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So the U should probably just shut down the program.
Anybody listening to the Pitino show?
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Pathetic & sick to your stomach, seriously? I just laid it out that less than half the teams (6) in the Big 10 have made it to the NCAA 3 out of the last 5 years.
Reach THAT goal and as I said, I would change my expectation. 3 of 5 at least gives a team consistent opportunities in the big dance.
Walk before you run.
Making excuses just makes the coach look small. I know coaches want to defend their programs but fans are aware of the situation, no need to always bring it up. Gophers have a proud tradition of excuse making including Jerry Kill referring to injuries every other sentence and PJ with year zero.
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Given the home court collapses Pitino's been overseeing lately, maybe you're right, he could use some coaching tips.
I don't that argues in favor of keeping him, however.
BMF- The best thing fans can do is to support the program through thick and thin. The AD knows what our options are and he will make the best decision he can based on all of the information at hand. What if he decides to keep Pitino? Then are the fans that are angry helping the program? Is it creating a positive attitude in the community to complain all year long and quit on the coach and team? You want a guy banned for saying let's start by making the NCAAs 3 out of 5 years and then up the goals from there? Wow! I think that is pretty reasonable considering program history.
I expect that Pitino will probably be fired at the end of the year. I hope that we nail it with the replacement if that happens and if so we might be back in business in short order. Usually, however, that is not the case. Nebraska, Indiana and OSU are examples of what switching coaches looks like and two of those programs are on far more sound footing historically than we are. What happens around here is that people give the coach a year or two of grace. But if things are not looking great by year three, then the next coach is back on the hot seat and we start the cycle again. It just isn't easy.
I am a PJ fan but we could have easily been 0-3 at the start of last year against teams we were supposed to win easily. We were not executing very well in those games. Sure we ended up 10-2 for the regular season but we had a fairly soft conference schedule. As for players not choking what about the dropped pass in Iowa that cost us the game. Kind of like a missed free throw I guess. Point is if we had lost those first three games you guys would have dropped your oars and jumped out of the boat. I would also say we did not execute very well against Wisconsin which was a game we should have been really pumped up for. PJ has a defense to rebuild this year. I hope he gets the job done.
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He also has the option to punt in those situations.
I know, right?
This is what the Pitino bobos are reduced to: somehow the fact we were expected to suck in year 7 is actually a reason to keep the man.
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Agree on the hate but know that there is a wide perception among basketball folks and recruits that are not impressed in anyway by his coaching. You do understand that only a select few are gifted teachers and great coaches that surpass him in every way.
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Umm. I think you could pick better examples to prove your point.
Both teams took significant steps back due to early departures.
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So does that mean 75 percent of coaches don’t impress recruits with their teaching and coaching. Or does it mean Pitino is in a select group of coaches who are not respected?
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Some of those programs have had higher lows than our highs. That is why so many are disappointed as we have been mediocre or worse for a very long time. The other issue is simply opinions on what great is, what good is, what is average and what is terrible.
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Great post. It is everything. The programs that were garbage like ours turned it around by hiring great coaches.
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UVA took a big step back all the way to 13-5. They have a offense ranked in the 200's after losing 3 tremendous shooters by playing out of this world defense that is stressed everyday in a way that is very detailed and difficult to get buy ins. They are fully loaded with development and recruiting for the next several years as they identified tremendous fits and talent in the next class and sit great with the following one. They instilled a identity day one. Beard has done the same thing.
Getting one of the select few is the tricky bit, eh. I'm in. Lay those names on us....the available ones.
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When the season is over i will give a few names of guys that i think will deliver consistent over .500 conference records. There is no one who can promise a Bennett, Beard or Wright. There are dozen that will do more in 7 years that what has been done here.
gangstas are dimwits.. this post is more evidence of such
I have a hard time listening to Pitino anymore and I feel like those that really enjoy his personality really only have experience with his blogs and his Twitter game. My biggest objection to the way he answers questions is he never has acknowledged how fortunate he is to still have this job. He's much like Glen Mason in that respect (only this respect) in that he feels like he's somehow entitled to keep the job regardless of his performance. There have plenty of times during his tenure where something like "Look, I know I haven't gotten you the results here, I know I would have been fired at most other jobs, and I am appreciative of getting another chance". Instead what we get is the constant "I don't want to make excuses but..."
Some things he's said on his coaches show before:
- Insinuated that Gaston Diedhiou would make a signifcant difference AS A FRESHMAN when he wasn't cleared to play early in his tenure. We believed him here and people were putting pressure on the AD to clear Gaston.
- When his 2nd year was falling apart and the Gophers were underachieving. He said that Seniors were "weird" in response to why some of his players had regressed.
- After a failed 2nd year would claim that he told the AD that the 3rd year would be bad. People, at the time, actually bought that an AD would be ok with a coach taking over a program that had been to 3 of the last 5 tournaments missing the tournament in his first 2 years and then following up with one of the worst seasons in program history in year 3...because of the previous coaches recruiting failures? Pitino would have had 3 recruiting classes to get ready for year 3, but clearly a disaster was just destiny.
- Suggested that it was important in the B1G to "get old" and "stay old" during the terrible year 3. This was after declaring that Seniors were "weird" and a reason for the underachievement in year 2.
- Called Lynch and Fitzgerald "future pros" while sitting out that terrible 3rd year. Frequently suggested Fitzgerald was the best player on the team. It's entirely possible that Fitzgerald's final knee injury robbed him of a ton of potential, but did he really go from best on the team to virtually unplayable? Possible, but not likely.
- Constantly brought up the facilities and in particular the lack of a practice facility for his first 3 years as a big reason for his recruiting struggles.
- Talked about "treating scholarships like gold". Since that time he used a scholarship on Stockman for 2 years, didn't move off Konate, Diedhiou, or Hurt, has only once filled all his scholarships, took chances on extremely low rated recruits Freeman and Greenlee late in the Spring, etc, etc.
- Takes no responsibility for year 5 and suggests it was going to be a great year. Doesn't acknowledge that they were underachieving prior to losing anyone (losses to Miami, Nebraska, and Arkansas). He lost to Indiana at home when he had everyone but Lynch. He lost to a 6-12 Northwestern team twice, he lost to a 4-14 Iowa team, and then a 3-15 Rutgers team. He had a returning 1st team All B1G point guard Nate Mason and a Junior Jordan Murphy all year. Wisconsin had Ethan Happ and their second best player was a freshman Brad Davison. They had walk-ons in their rotation due to guard injuries and were on a much lower tier than Minnesota to start the year. They still managed 7 B1G wins. This season, like season 2, was a clear underachievement in record no matter how you look at it.
- Has changed his tune on the practice facility and says that it doesn't really help at all with out of state kids and helps more with the in-state kids who were aware that "we" didn't have it and others did.
- Talks about how "young" they are this year, but never acknowledges his losing record the year before with 4 Seniors and a Junior Amir Coffey. Which is it coach? Losses on the road that year to Rutgers and a Nebraska team that was every bit as depleted as Pitino's year 5 team was.
- Doesn't acknowledge that the "youth" on this team doesn't contribute. His 4 freshman have done next to nothing except for Ihnen flashing some over the last few games. Illinois' 3 best players are a Sophomore, another Sophomore, and a Freshman. A number of teams ahead of him in the strandings have a Freshman or Freshmen contributing to their success.
-Talks about how tough it is to win on the road in the B1G, but never acknowledges how poor his HOME record is. If you want to be excused for your road record, you better not drop your home games. Gophers are just 5-4 in home conference games this year.
- Consistently mentions Amir Coffey leaving as an excuse for the poor performance this year. Ryan James had a fantastic article listing all the schools that lost a guy early after last year. Michigan lost two, Michigan State, Maryland, Purdue, Nebraska, Iowa off the top of my head. Rutgers lost there top scorer and rebounder to transfer.
-Brings up the Eric Curry injury as an excuse for the poor performance this year. Once again a list could be made of players that were lost to injury this year around the conference and you will see that well over half the conference has lost a player at least as impactful as Eric Curry if not significantly more so. There's no acknowledgment that this year's team has been remarkably healthy: No missed games for Marcus, Daniel, or Gabe.
These are just the things I remember off the top of my head. He consistently says things that fit the narrative of whatever he wants you (the listener) to believe at the time.
Some things he's said on his coaches show before:
- Insinuated that Gaston Diedhiou would make a signifcant difference AS A FRESHMAN when he wasn't cleared to play early in his tenure. We believed him here and people were putting pressure on the AD to clear Gaston.
- When his 2nd year was falling apart and the Gophers were underachieving. He said that Seniors were "weird" in response to why some of his players had regressed.
- After a failed 2nd year would claim that he told the AD that the 3rd year would be bad. People, at the time, actually bought that an AD would be ok with a coach taking over a program that had been to 3 of the last 5 tournaments missing the tournament in his first 2 years and then following up with one of the worst seasons in program history in year 3...because of the previous coaches recruiting failures? Pitino would have had 3 recruiting classes to get ready for year 3, but clearly a disaster was just destiny.
- Suggested that it was important in the B1G to "get old" and "stay old" during the terrible year 3. This was after declaring that Seniors were "weird" and a reason for the underachievement in year 2.
- Called Lynch and Fitzgerald "future pros" while sitting out that terrible 3rd year. Frequently suggested Fitzgerald was the best player on the team. It's entirely possible that Fitzgerald's final knee injury robbed him of a ton of potential, but did he really go from best on the team to virtually unplayable? Possible, but not likely.
- Constantly brought up the facilities and in particular the lack of a practice facility for his first 3 years as a big reason for his recruiting struggles.
- Talked about "treating scholarships like gold". Since that time he used a scholarship on Stockman for 2 years, didn't move off Konate, Diedhiou, or Hurt, has only once filled all his scholarships, took chances on extremely low rated recruits Freeman and Greenlee late in the Spring, etc, etc.
- Takes no responsibility for year 5 and suggests it was going to be a great year. Doesn't acknowledge that they were underachieving prior to losing anyone (losses to Miami, Nebraska, and Arkansas). He lost to Indiana at home when he had everyone but Lynch. He lost to a 6-12 Northwestern team twice, he lost to a 4-14 Iowa team, and then a 3-15 Rutgers team. He had a returning 1st team All B1G point guard Nate Mason and a Junior Jordan Murphy all year. Wisconsin had Ethan Happ and their second best player was a freshman Brad Davison. They had walk-ons in their rotation due to guard injuries and were on a much lower tier than Minnesota to start the year. They still managed 7 B1G wins. This season, like season 2, was a clear underachievement in record no matter how you look at it.
- Has changed his tune on the practice facility and says that it doesn't really help at all with out of state kids and helps more with the in-state kids who were aware that "we" didn't have it and others did.
- Talks about how "young" they are this year, but never acknowledges his losing record the year before with 4 Seniors and a Junior Amir Coffey. Which is it coach? Losses on the road that year to Rutgers and a Nebraska team that was every bit as depleted as Pitino's year 5 team was.
- Doesn't acknowledge that the "youth" on this team doesn't contribute. His 4 freshman have done next to nothing except for Ihnen flashing some over the last few games. Illinois' 3 best players are a Sophomore, another Sophomore, and a Freshman. A number of teams ahead of him in the strandings have a Freshman or Freshmen contributing to their success.
-Talks about how tough it is to win on the road in the B1G, but never acknowledges how poor his HOME record is. If you want to be excused for your road record, you better not drop your home games. Gophers are just 5-4 in home conference games this year.
- Consistently mentions Amir Coffey leaving as an excuse for the poor performance this year. Ryan James had a fantastic article listing all the schools that lost a guy early after last year. Michigan lost two, Michigan State, Maryland, Purdue, Nebraska, Iowa off the top of my head. Rutgers lost there top scorer and rebounder to transfer.
-Brings up the Eric Curry injury as an excuse for the poor performance this year. Once again a list could be made of players that were lost to injury this year around the conference and you will see that well over half the conference has lost a player at least as impactful as Eric Curry if not significantly more so. There's no acknowledgment that this year's team has been remarkably healthy: No missed games for Marcus, Daniel, or Gabe.
These are just the things I remember off the top of my head. He consistently says things that fit the narrative of whatever he wants you (the listener) to believe at the time.
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Pitino is safe. He should and will be back next year.
How many of you jokers predicted that we would be a better team than we are with all the youth? Not trying to count moral victories , but we have let a lot of games slip out of our hands that we should of won and would have won if not for young player mistakes. Of course Pitino is responsible for the performance of his team, but you guys are all talking like we had a final four team going into the season and he messed it up.
How many of you jokers predicted that we would be a better team than we are with all the youth? Not trying to count moral victories , but we have let a lot of games slip out of our hands that we should of won and would have won if not for young player mistakes. Of course Pitino is responsible for the performance of his team, but you guys are all talking like we had a final four team going into the season and he messed it up.
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I don't hear the same things that you claim to hear. He has repeatedly been appreciative of getting a P5 job very early in his career.
This is the lamest excuse possible. "We cant hold him responsible for this **** year, in year 7, because he has a ****** team and we should have expected ****** results."
Good lord, what drivel. His job is safe forever I guess, because he'll have teams nobody expects anything from. And by gosh, he'll deliver exactly that!
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No idea what it means about the 75% you speak of.
The starting five isn't young. Pitino recruited projects for his bench.
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Blasphemy
The real starting 5 going forward is Soph, Soph, Jr, Frosh, Soph. That's young. Oturu feels old because it feels like he is gone after this year. But the team is young.
The starters have played more than enough minutes of D1 basketball. It is not a young starting group.
A point guard in his third year. A shooting guard in his fourth year. Two sophomores playing 34 minutes a game. And up til now a grad transfer. That ain't young.
BGA, the real starting 5 going forward? Seems very disingenuous. The team has basically started two 4th year players, one 3rd year player and two second year players. That is not young. Besides that, roster management is on the coach anyway. Has the coach prepared the team for next year in the event Oturu leaves? I am big on facts and honest discussion, not hyperbole and "what ifs".