Anthony Brown decommits

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c'mon. We all know how this works.

someone - maybe a recruiter from another school - has been in this kid's ear, or in the parent's ear, saying something like this:

"MN runs the ball 70% of the time. At School X, we throw the ball 70% of the time. If you go to School X, that means more catches, more yards, more TD's and more exposure, plus a better chance of going to the NFL."

Like it or not, WR's are divas. most of them want the ball and the spotlight.

MN is going to have to work twice as hard to get top-quality WR's to come to MN. that's just the way it is.
Someone is in the other ear telling them about Rashod Bateman, Corey Davis, Tyler Johnson, etc.
 

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By no means am I giving up on Jackson, but I was looking for a big step forward in 2021, and we got a 267 yard season. Injuries almost certainly were a factor, but I can't think of one game last year where he really wowed me. Agree on Wright with the upside, but again we need to start actually seeing it develop into consistent results. He has the potential for greatness no doubt.

I don't know enough about Anthony Brown to compare him to any of these guys, and I'm not panicking over the loss of is commitment, my point overall is that there's just a lot of uncertainty at WR, while at the same time some reasons for optimism.

I'm with ya. That's all fair. Glad we have CAB back for 2022 to lead the room again.
 



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I guess I didn't see Jackson as disappointing this year. I know he had some injuries, but I think he still has a lot of upside. Wright is SUPER exciting. Like CAB said, Wright has the physical ability to be the best WR who ever played at the U. MBS can be a solid #3, IMO.

But as far as Emilien and Brockington, I think it's far too early to offer a verdict on either. They both had good offers and appear to have a good skillset. So I guess, if I believe in our staff's ability to identify and develop talent, why would I be any less excited about either of them than an incoming 18-year-old who hasn't spent any time getting to know the offense or working in a college S&C program? Again, I get Brown has a 4-star ranking and some good offers, but what are you seeing that says he will be a better college player than Brockington (for example)? If you don't believe in MBS, assuming his own brother (who shares genetic material with him) is gonna be the next Bateman seems like a reach.
Jackson was very disappointing for me. Drops and seems to lack ability to make a tough catch. Dynamic once he has the ball though.
 





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Sucks, but probably not surprising to anyone after he was tweeting pics of himself in a Cinci jersey.
 



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When we run the ball 70% of the time and go whole games without hardly throwing a pass, we will have a hard time recruiting top WR's
Minnesota could throw the ball 100 times per game and would still lose recruits to tOSU. It's a process.
 

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he's decommitting because he's being pushed to take a helmet offer from ND or OSU. it has been in the tea leaves for quite some time. some guys stick through it and hold the loyalty to those that recruited you from the beginning, some chase the offer. is what it is
We should have paid for a Gopher’s tattoo.
(Maybe NIL makes it legal).
 

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I'm not gonna say I wasn't excited about his potential talent and landing a 4-star is ALWAYS nice. But with what we have at the position group for the coming years, I guess I'm not as concerned losing a WR for 2023.

Wright
Jackson
MBS
Emilien
Brockington
Mann
Dino K

I'm also not concerned with Fleck and Simon's ability to recruit or grab WRs in the portal. Plus, if we go back to throwing the ball more under Kirk C, that should make us even more attractive to receivers.
Dino K and Mann? Did you realize that 4 of the 7 receivers you listed have never played a snap? They are really just bodies at this point.
 

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c'mon. We all know how this works.

someone - maybe a recruiter from another school - has been in this kid's ear, or in the parent's ear, saying something like this:

"MN runs the ball 70% of the time. At School X, we throw the ball 70% of the time. If you go to School X, that means more catches, more yards, more TD's and more exposure, plus a better chance of going to the NFL."

Like it or not, WR's are divas. most of them want the ball and the spotlight.

MN is going to have to work twice as hard to get top-quality WR's to come to MN. that's just the way it is.
Maybe Brown actually watched the games and came to this conclusion on his own.
 



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The young man is from OH.
tOSU has been in the final four more times than MN has won the West.
Wait, MN has never won the West.
It was a very easy choice for the kid to make while he plays tOSU off of his other offers for NIL and playing time.
 

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Dino K and Mann? Did you realize that 4 of the 7 receivers you listed have never played a snap? They are really just bodies at this point.

Yes, of course I realize that. I was just listing all the WRs with multiple years left. Brockington and Dino were true freshmen, so it's not alarming they didn't play. Mann is obviously a bit of a wild card - he could very well go the way of Peter Udoibok. As far as Emilien, i know it's not significant, but if you check his bio, he did get some snaps in 2021.

To your point, those guys are bodies right now. But unless we are just focusing on recruiting rankings, Brown is just a body in the same way. Obviously nobody knows what he will accomplish on a college field yet. I still believe that the only reason people would be more excited about Brown than Emilien or Brockington is because he was new and shiny. Otherwise, they are fairly similar in size and quality of offers.
 

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Yes, of course I realize that. I was just listing all the WRs with multiple years left. Brockington and Dino were true freshmen, so it's not alarming they didn't play. Mann is obviously a bit of a wild card - he could very well go the way of Peter Udoibok. As far as Emilien, i know it's not significant, but if you check his bio, he did get some snaps in 2021.

To your point, those guys are bodies right now. But unless we are just focusing on recruiting rankings, Brown is just a body in the same way. Obviously nobody knows what he will accomplish on a college field yet. I still believe that the only reason people would be more excited about Brown than Emilien or Brockington is because he was new and shiny. Otherwise, they are fairly similar in size and quality of offers.
Yep. Same reason people were lamenting the loss of Dickerson even while Walley was playing really well.
 

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Not that bothered TBH, except his rating made the class look better. Sometimes you see a player and it makes you think “wow” but I don’t know, he was just alright for me. Pretty good? Smaller player. What are his comparables? He’s a little smaller than a slightly-higher rated guy like Jahan Dotson but Dotson seeked to have a lot more shake and bake, made everything look effortless. If you don’t have size/speed/body control/elite hands have to make it up somewhere. Lightning in a bottle…. Will be interesting to watch his career.
 

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I always thought that he was a soft commit and was waiting for a tOSU offer. He is under a lot of pressure from influences in his life.

Rashod Bateman did too late in his recruitment. Fortunately for us, he already had Gopher tattoos that were non refundable.

We want players who want to be Gophers, elite ones or soon to be made elite by the program.

Maybe if he spends too much time on the bench, he’ll make use of the portall like Kirk Ciarrocca did.

Never burn bridges. Native son Quinn Carroll never burned his.
 
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You want some contrast or perspective on Gopher recruiting? This guy Anthony Brown was rated .90 on 247.
For kicks I looked up USC to check on Lincoln Riley monitoring the PJ to USC buzz. :)
USC historically has had like 45 guys rated at .99 !!!!!! .9900 or higher. One team...45 guys.
The Gophers highest rated recruit all time is Jeff Jones at .9712 #2 is Carter Coughlin at .9566. At #6 we are down to .9177. Again 247.
All time there are thousands of guys rated higher than our all time 6th highest.
USC has roughly 300 guys, all time, rated higher than our 6th best ever.
What ? There are probably 30 teams at least that stomp recruiting rankings like this historically to varying degrees.
Very sobering! We ain't gonna win championships by out recruiting anybody any time soon.
 

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Not that bothered TBH, except his rating made the class look better. Sometimes you see a player and it makes you think “wow” but I don’t know, he was just alright for me. Pretty good? Smaller player. What are his comparables? He’s a little smaller than a slightly-higher rated guy like Jahan Dotson but Dotson seeked to have a lot more shake and bake, made everything look effortless. If you don’t have size/speed/body control/elite hands have to make it up somewhere. Lightning in a bottle…. Will be interesting to watch his career.
I cooled on him!
 

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It is tough to recruit to MN. PJ Fleck is the best thing in years for Gopher Recruiting. I trust him and his staff to evaluate talent. Anthony Brown will not be the last to decommit while perching on the fence for a better deal. If his heart is truly not here, I wish him good luck elsewhere. Will the door be still open for a possible transfer?

Sooner or later, they will get a big break in legitimate blue chip talent who are not paper tigers. That day will come.
 

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we dont need him, i trust this staff to find and develope talent regardless if they are three or four stars, RTB
 

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You want some contrast or perspective on Gopher recruiting? This guy Anthony Brown was rated .90 on 247.
For kicks I looked up USC to check on Lincoln Riley monitoring the PJ to USC buzz. :)
USC historically has had like 45 guys rated at .99 !!!!!! .9900 or higher. One team...45 guys.
The Gophers highest rated recruit all time is Jeff Jones at .9712 #2 is Carter Coughlin at .9566. At #6 we are down to .9177. Again 247.
All time there are thousands of guys rated higher than our all time 6th highest.
USC has roughly 300 guys, all time, rated higher than our 6th best ever.
What ? There are probably 30 teams at least that stomp recruiting rankings like this historically to varying degrees.
Very sobering! We ain't gonna win championships by out recruiting anybody any time soon.
Guess it is a good thing that games are decided on the field and not by which team brings in the flashiest recruiting class on paper.

Our margin for error in recruiting is slimmer than the helmet schools because they are able to land more "sure thing" prospects than we can. But in the end it still comes down to finding the right players more than the highest rated players.
 

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Can we still throw fits about this?

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(less serious here, guys come and go, best of luck to that guy)
 

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I'm not going to get my hopes up, but there is still a chance he decides to come here.
 

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PJ/Simon have also developed 2 first round picks at WR in a fairly short time, so I'm not sure this is true.
They’ll need to prove it again though. To me. To recruits. Let’s see how the passing game looks this year. Even with Simon calling plays our offense looked atrocious sometimes… for entire games. You might have your rose-colorleds on. We really don’t know if they will be these WR whisperers we think they might be. I’m praying they are, but…
 

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They’ll need to prove it again though. To me. To recruits. Let’s see how the passing game looks this year. Even with them calling plays our offense looked atrocious sometimes… for entire games. You might have your rose-colorleds on. We really don’t know if they will be these WR whisperers we think they might be. I’m praying they are, but…
And you might be taking your debbie downer pills.
 

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They’ll need to prove it again though. To me. To recruits. Let’s see how the passing game looks this year. Even with Simon calling plays our offense looked atrocious sometimes… for entire games. You might have your rose-colorleds on. We really don’t know if they will be these WR whisperers we think they might be. I’m praying they are, but…
The only 2 games where we know he was calling plays were the bowl games for the 2019 and 2021 seasons, everything else is speculation and in all likelihood may have just been Sanford trying to switch things up and keep his job.
 

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Incredibly disappointing. So much good news (team GPA, etc.), really thought PJ had us to the point that we wouldn't have to keep worrying about this. I thought recruits misusing "no love lost" was other programs' problem now, guess I was wrong.
Did he really misuse it? We'll never know what happened.
 

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I don't think we have heard the last of his recruitment. Still a chance we will recruit him and bring him back in the fold.
 




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