Anders Broman

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gall0249 said:
Wouldn't this have been the same knock against Hoff? But he seemed to turn out ok.
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Yes, but Hoff was bigger, as already pointed out, was a better shooter, and had a very quick release on his shot. I'm not ripping Broman at all - before this AAU season, I would have said D2 for him. Now I think he's a mid major D1 kid.
 

Spin Your Head said:
You do have to wonder if he is ever making his own shot at the Peach Jam or if he is just setting up on the the 3-pt arch and Tyus is serving him the ball on a silver platter. In the two games I've seen the stats for, he's taken all threes except going a combined 1-3 elsewhere. (6-11 3pt and 5-10 3 pt). Seems like he is hesitant to get anywhere close to the basket against bigger competition.
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Consider this:
Tyus wasn't at the Dallas session. In those 5 games, Broman averaged 19 ppg (averaged 13 in all regular season games). In addition, he got to the line a ton that weekend, including a 17/20 performance at the line in a two-point win (scored 27 that game).
 

Since I haven’t seen Broman playing, I cannot say much about him specifically. But, if he shoots well enough to be in league with Blake, then we should offer him. At least, he can make a good role player spotting up in a year or so.

However, shooting high percentage at high school level is not a sure bet since shooting percentage is more than a simple mechanical thing. Obviously, he will face better defense from bigger, quicker defenders at the Big Ten level.

At the same time, he will be forced to relearn shot selection. Shot selection in a broader sense is to give your team a best chance to score (with rebounding possibility in consideration) instead of attempting a makeable shot when open as narrowly defined. This is not an easy process to learn since he needs to learn to make quick sound decisions considering a lot of factors on the floor even if he has some tremendous floor reading ability with high basketball intelligence. In other words, he will be forced to do a lot of thinking on the floor, especially in half court situations -- how often have we seen supposedly good freshmen players look dazed and confused with the ball? --, and thinking interferes with shooting mechanic, which lowers shooting percentage and therefore confidence.

It takes a lot of playing minutes to more effectively learn the half court system and shot selection accordingly. But, if he is a defensive liability at the Big Ten level, he may not see enough minutes to “develop”. In that case, he may be better off at a mid-major school where he can play a lot and develop like a certain MN kid that many Holers like to talk about nowadays.

However, Tubby was lenient on shot selection last season because I guess he had no choice with the roster. If Tubby continues to be so, Broman may have a better chance with us. But, I kinda doubt -- hope not -- Tubby being so easy with shot selection.
 

Tweet from Pulley:

"Anders Broman leads Peach Jam after 5 games in 3-pointers made with 21; #5 in 3-point % at .525; and #3 in 3-point attemps with 40."

Go Gophers!!
 

How tall is Anders? Rivals lists him at 6'3" so that can't be accurate according to everyone saying he's too small. I've stood next to Hoff at CSOM and he was my height or shorter, and I'm 6'3" with shoes on.
 


If I were to choose between Riley Dearing and Anders Broman, for example, there is no choice. It's Anders Broman hands down and its not even close.
 


All valid points. I just think that if we don't offer him, we will all be moaning about how he's averaging 23 a game at Northern Iowa, St. Louis or the like. I'm not saying he has to be a 33 minute guy. If he is a liability defensively, he can still get a quality 10-15, just like that geek at Indiana.
 

jordan smith of orono was also a one dimensional shooter but made Wisky's roster as a walk-on freshman.
he was probably under 6'2" with very limited strength and speed.
AND he didn't have anywhere near the AAU success Anders is having.

i think he had an offer from St. Louis that he turned down in favor of Wisky.
 



With as much trouble as we have against the zone, you'd think this kid would be a no-brainer.

He's obviously undersized and he's going to struggle a bit defensively, but we definitely have the kind of athletes that could help him out. Elliason is an active big who plays good help defense. Andre Hollins is an athletic enough PG to guard the more athletic Gs. Austin Hollins is a good defensive player. Wally seems to be more of a prototypical sized / athletic wing.

If this kid is a shooter ala Jake Sullivan or a smaller Blake, I'm all for giving him a scholarship.
 

If we were interested in a shooter for this class, we let a much better one get away in Matt Thomas.
 

I have watched Anders play multiple times this summer in AAU and Howard Pulley events. In addition to being a very good shooter, it is obvious that he really knows how to play the game. He works hard on defense, sees the floor very well, passes well and is not selfish with the basketball. Anders is not a one dimensional player. I'm not sure how his size would match up at the Big 10 level, but the more I watch him play the more I am impressed with his basketball skills. Anders skills match up very well with the style Pulley plays. Pulley been undersized most of the year with Manyang missing multiple events and Washington too old to play in the EYBL events so they run and shoot threes most of the time. With Tyus' ability to drive and dish, he creates a lot of open 3 point attempts for his teammates. I am anxious to see where Anders ends up in college. He is certainly a fun player to watch.
 

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CDH27 said:
I have watched Anders play multiple times this summer in AAU and Howard Pulley events. In addition to being a very good shooter, it is obvious that he really knows how to play the game. He works hard on defense, sees the floor very well, passes well and is not selfish with the basketball. Anders is not a one dimensional player. I'm not sure how his size would match up at the Big 10 level, but the more I watch him play the more I am impressed with his basketball skills. Anders skills match up very well with the style Pulley plays. I am anxious to see where Anders ends up in college. He is certainly a fun player to watch.
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I think it's one of those deals where if he were 2-3 inches taller he is a Hoffarber like player. Some have suggested Jake Sullivan as a comparison. In high school Jake was a phenomenal point guard who was a great ballhandler and passer beyond being one of the best shooters I have ever seen. Anders seems to be more of a combo guard. I think he will thrive in a mid major: Northern Iowa, Creighton, Wofford.
 



CDH27 said:
I have watched Anders play multiple times this summer in AAU and Howard Pulley events. In addition to being a very good shooter, it is obvious that he really knows how to play the game. He works hard on defense, sees the floor very well, passes well and is not selfish with the basketball. Anders is not a one dimensional player. I'm not sure how his size would match up at the Big 10 level, but the more I watch him play the more I am impressed with his basketball skills. Anders skills match up very well with the style Pulley plays. Pulley been undersized most of the year with Manyang missing multiple events and Washington too old to play in the EYBL events so they run and shoot threes most of the time. With Tyus' ability to drive and dish, he creates a lot of open 3 point attempts for his teammates. I am anxious to see where Anders ends up in college. He is certainly a fun player to watch.
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I also like the kid. Real impressed with these GH'ers that have not seen him play and automatically assume he's too slow, not athletic and one dimensional for the Gophers or a high major.

6’-2” is not ideal (if he’s done growing), he's young, still could grow 2-3 inches.
 

I am not writing him off. I think he will be very good mid major player. I've only seen him on tape and comparing him to players I know the heights of he looks to be 6' without shoes, so 6'1" in shoes. So yes if he grows 2-3 inches I'm sure the gophers will take a look. But that could be a big if?
 

march madness said:
So yes if he grows 2-3 inches I'm sure the gophers will take a look. But that could be a big if?
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I'd say definitely.. Hoffarber could barely get off a three and he is 6'4". His release was so quick that it worked and he mastered that quick stroke. Looks like Broman's is just a little slower.
 

march madness said:
I've only seen him on tape and comparing him to players I know the heights of he looks to be 6' without shoes, so 6'1" in shoes.
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The first time I saw him in person he was 2" taller and has a longer body than I expected. I'd put him at 6'-2" and as tall or slightly taller than Hoff was at the same age.

I think it's safe to say he is faster and more athletic too.
 

If Broman gets to 6'4" in shoes, like the Hoff, he will play at a big 6 conference school.
 

march madness said:
If Broman gets to 6'4" in shoes, like the Hoff, he will play at a big 6 conference school.
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The age old with or without shoes talk... I've been measured with my basketball shoes and without, I only gain 3/4" with shoes. Many people think you gain 1.75"-2" which is bs. http://www.basketballheaven.com/height/how-much-height-do-shoes-add/
Blake measured at 6'2.5" without shoes. 6'4" wingspan.

So to be real nitpicky; Blake is probably 6'-3 1/2" with shoes, which gets rounded up to 6'-4" on a roster.

***I wish they would just list hieghts to the 1/4" or 1/2" w/out shoes, but that's not going to happen.
 

Anyone who even broaches the subject of shoes vs. no shoes should be immediately banned. And there is only one poster I can think of who insists on interjecting this ridiculous and inane topic into damn near every conversation about players.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Anyone who even broaches the subject of shoes vs. no shoes should be immediately banned. And there is only one poster I can think of who insists on interjecting this ridiculous and inane topic into damn near every conversation about players.
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I realize it is ridiculous... also relevant in this topic. Considering it bothers you so much I will be happy to post about it any time someone brings up height w/ shoes. Nobody is stopping you from blocking me.
 

NurumbiCongo said:
I realize it is ridiculous... also relevant in this topic.
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It is never relevant. That's the point. Until they start playing basketball barefoot, a person's height without shoes is completely and utterly irrelevant to everything basketball-related ever.
 

dpodoll68 said:
It is never relevant. That's the point. Until they start playing basketball barefoot, a person's height without shoes is completely and utterly irrelevant to everything basketball-related ever.
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It is relevant in some circumstances. If I am an NBA scout, I want to know how tall players are. A kid on team A may be wearing some goofy shoes that make him 1.25 inches taller, while different kid on team B wears shoes that raise his height .75 inches. Those two will not be wearing the same shoes for my NBA team - so this half-inch difference goes away. In order to know how tall they will be on the court, while playing basketball, I necessarily need the without shoes measurements.

PS - you ever going to admit you were wrong on the less than $2 million?
 

Gopher Warrior said:
It is relevant in some circumstances. If I am an NBA scout, I want to know how tall players are. A kid on team A may be wearing some goofy shoes that make him 1.25 inches taller, while different kid on team B wears shoes that raise his height .75 inches. Those two will not be wearing the same shoes for my NBA team - so this half-inch difference goes away. In order to know how tall they will be on the court, while playing basketball, I necessarily need the without shoes measurements.
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As I've said all along - a silly exercise that scouts use to justify their existences and paychecks, which for some reason is actually taken seriously by some people.

Gopher Warrior said:
you ever going to admit you were wrong on the less than $2 million?
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As soon as I see legitimate proof (or any kind of proof whatsoever, for that matter), sure.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
PS - you ever going to admit you were wrong on the less than $2 million?
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I guess I missed this one?

GW- You have been around Anders quite a bit & you are in the 6'-2" range (guessing), how tall do you consider him?

DP- Wingspan & actual height do matter when evaluting if a three point shooter can get his shot off at the next level. So does release point & quickness, along with many other factors.
 

Kevin Durant is listed at 6'9 and I'm sure he is taller than that. There is no way to prove how tall someone is until they get to the school it is just like a 40 time for a football player you don't know rather it hand timed or not. Just like you don't know if height is with shoes or without.
 

NurumbiCongo said:
DP- Wingspan & actual height do matter when evaluting if a three point shooter can get his shot off at the next level. So does release point & quickness, along with many other factors.
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I agree. His height with shoes on is what matters, since he will be shooting his shots while wearing shoes. His height while wearing shoes is his "actual height" for the purposes of playing a basketball game on a basketball court. It's not made up or pretend.
 

dpodoll68 said:
It is never relevant. That's the point. Until they start playing basketball barefoot, a person's height without shoes is completely and utterly irrelevant to everything basketball-related ever.
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So I guess they should measure football players height and weight with their pads, helmet and cleats on.

dpodoll68 said:
I agree. His height with shoes on is what matters, since he will be shooting his shots while wearing shoes. His height while wearing shoes is his "actual height" for the purposes of playing a basketball game on a basketball court. It's not made up or pretend.
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I've only been measured with my shoes off- Doctor, Dad, Grandpa, HS basketball, college basketball. I haven't got a mug shot, maybe you have. Did they let you leave your shoes on? I'm guessing not. When someone asks me how tall & they do, because I'm rather tall, I answer with my "actual height" without shoes.
 

NurumbiCongo said:
I guess I missed this one?

GW- You have been around Anders quite a bit & you are in the 6'-2" range (guessing), how tall do you consider him?

DP- Wingspan & actual height do matter when evaluting if a three point shooter can get his shot off at the next level. So does release point & quickness, along with many other factors.
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$2 million = dp's refusal to accept that I'm correct about Tubby's current (assuming there is still no new contract) guaranteed pay (base + supplemental + $250k retirement contribution).

You think I'm in the 6'2" range, eh? Maybe* 6'1"ish but 6'2" is probably pushing it. Anders... have thought he's around the 6'1" to 6'2" area.. but, haven't really tried to size him up. He's a smart player and a scorer -- so even if he's in college at say, 6'2", I think he's be able to fire off some good attempts.

Wish Oto had a release point similar to that of Andre Hollins.
 

Clem's Gophers said:
So I guess they should measure football players height and weight with their pads, helmet and cleats on.
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Yeah, they probably should. What's your point?

Clem's Gophers said:
I've only been measured with my shoes off- Doctor, Dad, Grandpa, HS basketball, college basketball. I haven't got a mug shot, maybe you have. Did they let you leave your shoes on? I'm guessing not. When someone asks me how tall & they do, because I'm rather tall, I answer with my "actual height" without shoes.
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Since you missed it the first time:

"for the purposes of playing a basketball game on a basketball court"

A basketball player's height is only relevant as to what he can do while on the basketball court. Since he is wearing basketball shoes on the basketball court, his height while wearing basketball shoes is what's relevant. Unless and until they allow basketball players to play barefoot (and/or force them to remove their shoes before they jump for a rebound, or a shot, or a block attempt), a basketball player's height while barefoot is completely and utterly irrelevant to anything and everything basketball-related ever. Period. A basketball player's height while wearing shoes on the basketball court while playing basketball is a little bit different than Joe Q. Rube getting his height measured at the doctor's office. I can't believe that this has to be explained to you.
 

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