Anders Broman: Another star who got away?

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Played twice as many minutes because lack of other high quality talent on the roster
 


In any four year cycle you have about 2 scholerships that are not going to make that much difference to a program, I would prefer using those to take a chance on a Minnesota kid, the last two years I think Siyani Chambers and Anders Broman fit that mold.
 

His numbers were just as good as Alec Brown in that same league
 

zubb said:
I guess we'll have to wait... And watch. If i remember wolters had only offers from und, ndsu etc..
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Just like guys like Jordan Aaberg, Mike Felt, Fred Newell, Mitch Wilmer, Brandon Brekke, Marc Sonnen, and Marvin Singleton. All of these guys are MN kids who received these kind of offers and are having average careers at places like NDSU, UND, and Northern Iowa. We like to point out when someone does very well, but not when someone just does okay or below average.
 


This is the same crap we continue to hear over and over again: "What are you going to believe, me or your eyes?" Can anybody actually say with a straight face that Oto would average 25 ppg in a mid-major league? What I've seen WITH MY EYES is that Nate Wolters is a super basketball player who would thrive at any level. I haven't seen Broman play, but I'm looking forward to it when he suits up for SDSU. I'm happy for him and Wolters, that they end up in a situation where they're put in a position to succeed and can play to their high potential. It's how I felt about Woodside, too, and - as much as I hate the Skunks - Jordan Taylor. Taylor would have never developed the same way had he somehow landed at Minnesota.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Just like guys like Jordan Aaberg, Mike Felt, Fred Newell, Mitch Wilmer, Brandon Brekke, Marc Sonnen, and Marvin Singleton. All of these guys are MN kids who received these kind of offers and are having average careers at places like NDSU, UND, and Northern Iowa. We like to point out when someone does very well, but not when someone just does okay or below average.
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Mike Felt - besides his name being a sentence - is a nice player. I would trade at least one unnamed player from our roster for him. Again, given the choice of believing my eyes or believing you, I'll take my eyes.
 

Tubby called me several weeks ago and advised the staff was split on whether to offer Broman or bank the tender for 2014. He asked if I would be comfortable in representing the Gopherhole in this matter. I told him this board supports banking the tender. He said that makes things easier because Tyus does not want to share the spotlight with Broman.
 

Bad Gopher said:
Mike Felt - besides his name being a sentence - is a nice player. I would trade at least one unnamed player from our roster for him. Again, given the choice of believing my eyes or believing you, I'll take my eyes.
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Saw Mike Felt play a number of times in high-school and he is not a Big 10 player. Strictly one-dimensional with only a three point shot. Average at best defensively.
 



bigticket1 said:
Saw Mike Felt play a number of times in high-school and he is not a Big 10 player. Strictly one-dimensional with only a three point shot. Average at best defensively.
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Upon reconsideration, you're right, I'll believe you instead of my eyes. Thanks for setting me straight.

There's probably no question he wasn't a Big Ten player when you saw him in high school. I didn't think he defended all that poorly when I saw him at Williams Arena.
 

Bad Gopher said:
Mike Felt - besides his name being a sentence - is a nice player. I would trade at least one unnamed player from our roster for him. Again, given the choice of believing my eyes or believing you, I'll take my eyes.
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That still doesn't prove that he should have been offered by the Gophers. That's the point I'm getting at. We only hear about the Woodside's and Wolter's, but never about the guys who end up being good but not great.
 

GophersInIowa said:
That still doesn't prove that he should have been offered by the Gophers. That's the point I'm getting at. We only hear about the Woodside's and Wolter's, but never about the guys who end up being good but not great.
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You want it in plain English? You're putting together a roster. Felt or Oto? You choose.
 

Bad Gopher said:
Upon reconsideration, you're right, I'll believe you instead of my eyes. Thanks for setting me straight.

There's probably no question he wasn't a Big Ten player when you saw him in high school. I didn't think he defended all that poorly when I saw him at Williams Arena.
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I've also seen him play 2 or 3 times a season in college and he still isn't a Big 10 player . If he is on with his 3 point shot he can impact a game. If not,the Bison are better off with him on the bench.
 



Frankly, im not concerned at all that we didn't recruit him. Good for him if he turns out to be a star at SDSU. He's a 6'1 shooting guard that plays against some of the worst competition in mn high school hoops.
 

TheBarnyard said:
Frankly, im not concerned at all that we didn't recruit him. Good for him if he turns out to be a star at SDSU. He's a 6'1 shooting guard that plays against some of the worst competition in mn high school hoops.
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Agreed. The Hoff has led us to believe every white kid who can shoot needs an offer.

People really don't realize how special Blake was. He was much more than just a kid who could shoot.

Pretty good strength, smart passer, incredibly quick release. Getting open looks against MSU is a heck of a lot different than getting looks against Northern State University.
 

scher215 said:
Agreed. The Hoff has led us to believe every white kid who can shoot needs an offer.

People really don't realize how special Blake was. He was much more than just a kid who could shoot.

Pretty good strength, smart passer, incredibly quick release. Getting open looks against MSU is a heck of a lot different than getting looks against Northern State University.
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You're right if Broman were on the Gophers' roster. Getting open shots requires team play and good passing. He'd, however, get plenty of them on Indiana or Wisconsin. But our focus is on aggressive defense and the power plays that are expected to result. Broman wouldn't fit in at Smith's Minnesota. Best wishes to him. Seems like a good young man.
 

"Frankly, im not concerned at all that we didn't recruit him. Good for him if he turns out to be a star at SDSU. He's a 6'1 shooting guard that plays against some of the worst competition in mn high school hoops."- the Barnyard
Would that be the #1 AA Melrose team Lakeview barely lost to? or Duluth East or other top teams? The Lakeview coach has gone out of his way to play teams above Lakeviews Class A status. He only has his brother as a legit high school teammate, the rest couldn't play on an average A squad. Dexpite this he manages to score and win. That ain't the worst competition in high school hoops. He excelled during Howard Pulley play. We may have messed up by not signing hima and whoever succeeds Tubby will be asking "what the heck was Tubby thinking"?
 

we should just offer every kid from minnesota so we cant "miss out" on anyone
 

FanSinceTheFifties said:
You're right if Broman were on the Gophers' roster. Getting open shots requires team play and good passing. He'd, however, get plenty of them on Indiana or Wisconsin. But our focus is on aggressive defense and the power plays that are expected to result. Broman wouldn't fit in at Smith's Minnesota. Best wishes to him. Seems like a good young man.
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Disagree.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to basketball. People look at guys like Hoffarber, Ben Brust, Jordan Hulls, etc. and say they are just like every other white kid who can shoot and completely discredits everything else they do to get their shots.

1) you can call Blake slow and in athletic, but that is the impression you get of him next to super elite athletes in the Big 10. Everyone would almost unanimously agree Brian Scalabrine is a terrible basketball player. Yet watch his YouTube video of him playing 1 on 1 against people, good players themselves, he is ridiculously good and athletic. People see Blake being less athletic in the Big 10 and think that's how every other white kid would look in the Big 10

2) there is more to getting open against more athletic defenders than just your teammates. It takes either a very quick or high release. It takes making great cuts, knowing how to run your man through screens.

3) you also have to be able to do things besides shoot at a reasonably skilled level. Passing, rebounding, defense, etc. again, you may not think Blake was great at those things, but he was easily better than the vast majority of high school kids today.

There are elite shooters at every level, all the way down to D3 kids. It takes much more than being able to shoot to receive an thrive on a BCS team and to think otherwise discredits the great talent guys like Blake or even Ray Allen in the NBA or Kyle Korver really have.
 

One of MY biggest pet peeves is the notion that, the day after our team scores only 53 points in a home loss, fielding a starting five that includes a shooting guard who can't shoot, somehow the sought-after quality of being able to put the ball in the basket is overrated. That I just don't get.
 

Bad Gopher said:
One of MY biggest pet peeves is the notion that, the day after our team scores only 53 points in a home loss, fielding a starting five that includes a shooting guard who can't shoot, somehow the sought-after quality of being able to put the ball in the basket is overrated. That I just don't get.
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Because being able to shoot in high school against questionable talent is completely different from being able to shoot in the Big 10.
 

scher215 said:
Because being able to shoot in high school against questionable talent is completely different from being able to shoot in the Big 10.
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...and not being able to make a jump shot in high school means you should be able to in college, as long as you're "athletic!"

I would never recruit a player who can't shoot it at least a little and would never take a player who will hurt me by not making their free throws. It's amazing how many players like that we have on this team.
 

The thing is you look at how good Wolters is now then yes he could play for the gophers, but would he have developed into that player had he committed here, doubt it, but I'm sure he would've found a role and wound up better than a few of our bench players. Boman or whatever his name is might be good enough to hack it in the bigten in three years, but not next year otherwise Tubby, Bo, Fran, Miles would've been all over him
 


A few people wanted Kevin Noreen based on similar circumstances as a big man. He is averaging 2.5 pts, 4.3 reb, and shooting 45% on 3's on a .500 West V. team getting 17 min a gmae.. Sounds like he would have been a good Wisconsin guy. He would be a decent bench guy, but odds are he wouldn't have ever started here. Now a slow small player I believe Clem never went after had a super career at Iowa St.; Jake sullivan. He was the best 3pt shooter I ever saw, played the point in high school, but he was no athlete. Iowa St. let him guard the slowest offensive player or played zone. But they found ways to get him on the court and shoot the lights out. Broman isn't that kind of shooter. I think Sullivan averaged almost 15 pts per game for his career. 42% on 3's. Both are about 6'1".
 


march madness said:
A few people wanted Kevin Noreen based on similar circumstances as a big man. He is averaging 2.5 pts, 4.3 reb, and shooting 45% on 3's on a .500 West V. team getting 17 min a gmae.. Sounds like he would have been a good Wisconsin guy. He would be a decent bench guy, but odds are he wouldn't have ever started here. Now a slow small player I believe Clem never went after had a super career at Iowa St.; Jake sullivan. He was the best 3pt shooter I ever saw, played the point in high school, but he was no athlete. Iowa St. let him guard the slowest offensive player or played zone. But they found ways to get him on the court and shoot the lights out. Broman isn't that kind of shooter. I think Sullivan averaged almost 15 pts per game for his career. 42% on 3's. Both are about 6'1".
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Kevin Noreen would definitely been a great fit at UW however he would have most likely rode the pine at the U of M because of the style that Smith implements. I think the U missed out on Wolters only if they did not look into him at all, I do not know the backstory there. Did they even offer him a walk on spot? Not every case is like the Wolters, Alec Brown, Muscala, etc. For every gem that gets away, there a dozen duds that don't pan out. I do not think Anders will be a Wolters type "get away", he can shoot but he is extremely small and unathletic. Time will tell...however as it stands the Gophers had every right not to offer Broman.
 

march madness said:
A few people wanted Kevin Noreen based on similar circumstances as a big man. He is averaging 2.5 pts, 4.3 reb, and shooting 45% on 3's on a .500 West V. team getting 17 min a gmae.. Sounds like he would have been a good Wisconsin guy. He would be a decent bench guy, but odds are he wouldn't have ever started here. Now a slow small player I believe Clem never went after had a super career at Iowa St.; Jake sullivan. He was the best 3pt shooter I ever saw, played the point in high school, but he was no athlete. Iowa St. let him guard the slowest offensive player or played zone. But they found ways to get him on the court and shoot the lights out. Broman isn't that kind of shooter. I think Sullivan averaged almost 15 pts per game for his career. 42% on 3's. Both are about 6'1".
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I believe we recruited Sullivan. And that was during the Monsen era.
 

bemidjigopher said:
The thing is you look at how good Wolters is now then yes he could play for the gophers, but would he have developed into that player had he committed here, doubt it, but I'm sure he would've found a role and wound up better than a few of our bench players. Boman or whatever his name is might be good enough to hack it in the bigten in three years, but not next year otherwise Tubby, Bo, Fran, Miles would've been all over him
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Wolters may be an example of how a number of components came together in one setting ... those same components may not have be present or may not have combined in the same way in a different setting. He's been outstanding for three years at SDSU with his senior year earning the recognition for which he's worked his tail off. See the following story from Sioux Falls Argus Leader SDSU-beat writer Terry Vandrovec:
http://www.argusleader.com/article/...ork-ethic-off-court-heard-by-many-seen-by-few

The Jackrabbits will be a markedly different team without Wolters. We will surprise some opponents by height we haven't had before. Broman will red-shirt and hit the weight room.
 

Everyone is a 100% predicter of college talent after the fact. We cannot "offer" everyone based on scholarships. Is it hard to watch some athletes who can't shoot while the "slow guys" prosper at smaller colleges and at some bigger universities ... YES! Look at all the good teams year after year in the big ten. The big thing they can all do is shoot. Indiana, Michigan, and Wisconsin all have multiple 3 pt shooters. We need a better mix of shooters and athletes. We need an offensive system to get people like Mav and Welch open 3's. I haven't seen it. They would have to get the ball to Mbakwe enough where he will pass it out when he gets doubled. A true pg that could penetrate and find shooters for open 3's would be a bonus also.
 

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