Analysts say 3-9 Gophs roster has higher-rated talent pool than Brew inherited in 06

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13 Lined Ground Squirrel said:
Wasn't Barber a 2 star who only got in as a legacy recruit?

Or did Lemming rate him way higher than the other services?
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That was my impression. I thought I had read somewhere--and I could easily be wrong--that Barber was given the last scholarship and that he wasn't highly recruited. I know he wasn't recruited as a running back and that Mason moved him from defense to offense during the first couple of weeks of practice his freshman year.

Wren, you can run but you can't hide on Mason's recruiting record. Blame anyone you want, but his shortcomings, especially in Minnesota, fall directly at his feet.
 


50 pounder:

On the other hand, Mason seemed to develop players and sure as heck did better than Brewster in terms of Big Ten wins during any 3 1/2 season period. That Brewster character was supposed to be some big-shot fantasy recruiter but you certainly could never prove that b.s.

And, the former part-time postal employee turned fantasy football recruit ranker lies like a rug, it would appear or maybe he just likes to back-date hs fantasy star rankings? I don't know about that dude. I've never seen his fantasy stuff, nor do I ever care to support such foolishness by paying a fantasy recruiting ranker a plugged nickle for his b.s.

My recollection is that MBIII was the final recruit offered the year he was recruited.
 

Total number of Big Ten wins of Big Ten teams that the 2010 Gophers defeated WITH brewster as the coach = ZERO.

What is that scent that you are are spewing all about as you slink on out the door jike?
 

imthewalrus said:
Total number of Big Ten wins of Big Ten teams that the 2010 Gophers defeated WITH brewster as the coach = ZERO.
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How is that relevant? This article was about the "talent" (i.e. players), not the coaches. The players the next coach will be inheriting had two better wins than the 2006 team that Brewster inherited, which leads me to believe that yes, the current talent is superior.

But, as always, don't let that get in the way of your propaganda.







Prexy B, MACturi, Big Ten wins, RANDOM WORDS IN ALL CAPS.
 


Jike Spingleton said:
How is that relevant? This article was about the "talent" (i.e. players), not the coaches. The players the next coach will be inheriting had two better wins than the 2006 team that Brewster inherited, which leads me to believe that yes, the current talent is superior.
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+1 There was concern that the new coach would have no talent to work with, but with the way the team has played under Horton indicates that the problem was much more about coaching than talent. The next coach should have talent to work with.

If we had had internet in years past, I wonder if we would have had these people who just can't get over a coach being gone. I remember how angry people were when Holtz bolted, I can just imagine what Gopherhole would have been like if it existed then. Or if GH had existed when Warmath or Stoll were fired.
 

imthewalrus said:
50 pounder:

On the other hand, Mason seemed to develop players and sure as heck did better than Brewster in terms of Big Ten wins during any 3 1/2 season period. That Brewster character was supposed to be some big-shot fantasy recruiter but you certainly could never prove that b.s.

And, the former part-time postal employee turned fantasy football recruit ranker lies like a rug, it would appear or maybe he just likes to back-date hs fantasy star rankings? I don't know about that dude. I've never seen his fantasy stuff, nor do I ever care to support such foolishness by paying a fantasy recruiting ranker a plugged nickle for his b.s.

My recollection is that MBIII was the final recruit offered the year he was recruited.
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I don't disagree that Mason seemed to develop players better, but that's not the argument. I just think Brewster brought in more highly athletic recruits and you are absolutely right that is only part of what needs to happen.

In terms of raw talent, I don't think there's any question that the new coach is inheriting a much more athletic (and more of them) football players than Brewster inherited when he took the job.
 

imthewalrus said:
Total number of Big Ten wins of Big Ten teams that the 2010 Gophers defeated WITH brewster as the coach = ZERO.

What is that scent that you are are spewing all about as you slink on out the door jike?
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I couldn't understand how this conversation could be over your head, but now I get it, your one of those people that always drives things back to your single obsessed topic. Brewster failed here worse than Mason, PERIOD. We get it!

Now to what you keep spewing, the fact that this team won ZERO games with Brewster doesn't matter in this thread. The fact is that the Gophers won 2 Big 10 games last season. The new coach will be inheriting a team that won 2 Big 10 games, there is no getting around that. It doesn't matter if those games were won by Horton, Brewster, Yosemite Sam (smokescreen) or Zombified Vince Lombardi (notice I didn't say smokescreen).

Now, I can see that making logical arguments isn't really your specialty, so here we go. You could actually rip on Brewster a little more if you were open minded enough to make logical arguments. So i'll give you one...

It's obvious that our team was more talented than they looked under Brewster. They were able to go 2-3, in the Big 10, with Horton as a coach. So if our new coach is a decent coach (unlike Brew) they should be in a better position than they were in 2006 because they are bringing almost everyone back and are no longer burdened by Brewster as their head coach.

You see, this argument really has nothing to do with a debate about Mason over Brewster, as much as you obsessively need to make it that. Brewster was a lousy coach and Mason was a slightly better coach. Again, no one is talking about recruiting rankings. No one is saying "Jimmy Gjere and Lamonte Edwards will dominate because they are 4 star guys". People are saying to look at the actual rosters and what they have actually accomplished (take into account experience and depth) and we are bringing back WAY more experienced players (not talking about recruits) than we did when Brewster took over.

If you think i'm wrong about that, please list the people who were returning, but remember you NEED to evaluate it from 2006. You have to look at Adam Weber as a RS FR and Decker as a kid that showed flashes but hadn't don a ton.
 

There are some who hate Brewster so much (often simply for not being Mason), that it's not enough for Brewster to be a bad coach, they have to maintain that he was totally bad in every respect. To claim that Brewster actually did OK in recruiting but was just a bad coach infuriates them because it gives Brewster credit for something. The thing is, that just makes his coaching appear worse, if he had talent but couldn't get results out of it.
 



imthewalrus said:
contact these fantasy recruiting ranking gurus. I want to find out how much it will cost me to subscribe to their fantasy recruiting ranking services. I hope they won't charge me too much to buy their fantasy stuff. I'll bet those guys make a lot of money selling their fantasy stuff.

Do they have any fantasy ranking services that rank the fantasy recruiting rankers themselves? Now THAT would really be helpful. It sounds as though quite a few people make a living doing fantasy star rankings on high school kids all over America. I wonder what their fantasy recruiting rankings fantasy recruiting trips cost them when they all attend all the games and all the practices of every fantasy ranked high school college recruit in America. I wonder how much it would cost me to subscribe to a couple of the fantasy rankings of the fantasy recruiting rankings rankers?

I wonder how much it would cost to subscribe to fantasy football rankings rankers rankings on line. Of course, it would be kind of nice to have a hard copy of their fantasy star rankings of the fantasy star recruitings rankers for research purposes as well as knowing wich fantasy recruiting ranker to pay the most attention to?

Or, is it just fantasy that all the high school recriuts in America can be ranked in five little fantasy star catagories?

I'll tell you one thing though: the bottom line in Big Ten play is that the number of wins minus the number of losses each team gets in Big Ten play is NO fantasy. The standings give a completely real ranking of the talent, the coaching, the heart, the soul, the work ethic, the academic success rate, the discipline, the coachability and the execution ability of all the players and coaches.

Fantasy is fantasy. The final result is the final result. Fantasy and potential and a couple of bucks will buy you a cup of coffee. The final results will be kept in the Big Ten record books and will always be a part of the real story.
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Seems like you know an awful lot about "fantasy"....probably because that's the only place you have ever had a "relationship" with someone of the opposite sex. Tell us more, please.
 

Hey Wren, if Spaeth doesn't stretch every millimeter of that 6'7"+ frame against NDSU in 1996, how many Big Ten wins does Mason finish with that season?

The same number that Brewster did in 2010.
 

imthewalrus said:
This is a badger joel maturi and prexy b induced problem. They let Mason's contract run down for 3 long years and then at the very last moment in 2005 extended him so he could help get the stadium deal. The next year they bought out their costly extension. Then they hired an incompetent person to run their brewball experiment. Any way you cut it, Mason didn't have a contract in place...he had to help get the stadium plan approved but he was stuck in the dome AND he was a victim of prexy b and badger joel maturi.

Brewster HAD the new stadium either being constructed or actually playing in it. That was supposed to be a huge advantage. He also was given a contract extension to help his recruiting. But, he also was the product of prexy b and badger joel maturi. He was fired mid-season in 2010 without a Big Ten win from his supposed superior recruits. After he was fired, the interm coach won 2 Big Ten games by actually game planning and finding a way to Coach the players.

Some of you self-proclaimed experts on fantasy recruiting rankings claim that the players who will be around for the 2011 season are better than the players who were there for the 2007 season. I don't see it. They certainly didn't do much in 2010. A couple had nice years...just like some of the players in 2007 had nice years. I see no improvement in the players coming back for 2011 compared to the players coming back for 2008 who were Mason recruits. You can spin it all you want, but, let's just wait until the 2011 season and we will see what the Big Ten record says.

In Mason's final year, there were 3 Big Ten wins. In Brewster's final year there were 0 Big Ten wins under Brewster and 2 Big Ten wins under the interm coach, Horton. You people claim there will be more talent for the new coach. So, that means the new coach should have at least 3 Big Ten wins in 2011. I say it ALL depends on the coach. I say the talent is certainly NO better and may be even worse for the new coach. You see, brewster did NOT coach the talent up...and even held the talent back. (Notice, the 2 Big Ten wins came under Horton...NOT Brewster.)

So, assuming that prexy b and badger joel maturi's new hire really is a REAL football coach, that coach needs to win at LEAST 3 Big Ten games in the 2011 season with "all" of this talent that you say is currently on the team. Any less than 3 Big Ten wins and either the new coach will hav failed all these "talented" players that you claim are remaining, OR prexy b and badger joel maturi will have continued in their history of totally messing up hiring coaches.

So, I will be expecting at least 3 Big Ten wins in 2011. Since you continue to put all of brewster's problems on Mason, that is the way we are going to have to assess the "talent" as of December 3, 2010. Personally, I'm not as sure about the "talent" spin that you want to put on the situation as some of you are. I'll just have to say I am skeptical...show me with at least 3 Big Ten wins in 2011.

There is ONE prime factor here: the football coaching situation under prexy b and badger joel maturi is going to have one last go-around. We shall see what we shall see. Will they bring in a real coach? IF they do, perhaps things can improve. IF they screw it up again, we are all in for a long, strange trip into the unknown. Welcome into the Big Ten Nebraska. We will either provide some competition for you, or we are in for a bad start in our renewed rivalry with you. At least, I hope we get a coach who can get our series off to a "rivalry" type of start.
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Wren, people said you were banned. I didn't want to believe them, I really didn't. I prayed, I went and lit candles at the Catholic church, I broke wishbones and I even kept my fingers crossed that you had finally done us a favor and offed yourself in a Micheal Hutchence-like auto-erotic asphyxiation accident where your life partner found you hanging with a picture of Glen Mason lying on the floor under you.

Dang, I guess you must have gotten pretty good at loosening the belt just in time.
 

All I will say is that Weber did a ton in the two Gopher Big Ten wins in 2010. Gray came in and played some really nice running qb in the iowa game. Will he be ready to go in 2011 as the qb? We still don't really know that. So, I'd say that the jury is still out on the Gopher's 2 wins in 2010.

We don't really know about the passing game for 2011 at all. And, without the passing game against Illinois and Iowa, it might have been a totally different story.

Believe me I want a LOT of Big Ten wins, but, we don't know how the going away present from prexy b and badger joel maturi is going to do in the coaching or recruiting arenas yet, do we? So, when I say the new coach will have to "show me" just how good he is and just how good the returning players are by winning more than 3 Big Ten games in 2011, I am very serious. I'm not convinced that the talent is that strong and I don't have a clue what kind of a coach we will have delivered to the doorstep of this program. How many All-Big-Ten players are returning? About the same number as from the 2006 team.

I'm still hoping that the iowa ad will take the disgruntled iowa fans seriously and will fire Ferentz in time for badger joel maturi to move in on the situaton and hire Ferentz for the U. That is how happy some iowa fans were with the way the 2010 season went (especially the final 3 games) for the iowa football team.

The Illinois and Iowa wins were wonderful wins for the U of M football program. However, am not ready to "project" results into 2011 based upon the final two games of our 2010 Big Ten season. And, since this thread was started based upon "rankings by the fantasy recruiting ranking salesmen", comparng the squads left by Mason vs Brewster, since I think it truely is impossible to rank the two and three star recruits all across the nation, it seems to me that we will just have to wait to see how many Big Ten wins Minnesota achieves in 2011. And, you can NOT seperate fantasy recruiting rankings from the way the recruits are coached, so why even try? All this fantasy stuff is too sprinkled in fairy dust and glitter and glitz for my tastes. Just recruit athletes who fit your system, coach them up and line them up against the other team on Game Day Saturday and let them play football.
You need to realize that there are plenty around here who try to blame brewster's ineptness on Mason. When people take their shots at Mason, they are asking for more discussion.
 



Gopherben: NDSU is NOT a Big Ten team. Mason beat Indiana, MSU and iowa the final three Big Ten games of the 2006 season. Brewster never did win a game in November.
 

Jike Spingleton said:
The combined Big Ten wins of the three teams the 2006 Gophers defeated: 6

The combined Big Ten wins of the two teams the 2010 Gophers defeated: 8


Now, to go scrub away the repugnant stench of responding to a Wren post.
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Jike Spingleton said:
How is that relevant? This article was about the "talent" (i.e. players), not the coaches. The players the next coach will be inheriting had two better wins than the 2006 team that Brewster inherited, which leads me to believe that yes, the current talent is superior.

But, as always, don't let that get in the way of your propaganda.







Prexy B, MACturi, Big Ten wins, RANDOM WORDS IN ALL CAPS.
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i just wanted to repost these very good arguments, not that he will pay them any attention. but they make a very good point.
 

We get it, you hate the Gophers, and are only interested in Mason.
 

Why the 'F' are we still talking about some analyst from the BTN?

Where is the thread on Gerry DiNardo? Let's fight about him!
 

Wren: "You need to realize that there are plenty around here who try to blame brewster's ineptness on Mason. When people take their shots at Mason, they are asking for more discussion."

Kinda like Obama blaming all his bunglings on GW!!

The Gophers are who they are. All the finger pointing doesn't change that in the least even though there is plenty to go around with both past HC's history.

I am one of the few here who would like to see you hang around GH for awhile Wren. Don't screw it up.
 

No kidding? NDSU isn't Big Ten?

Don't tell LakesBison. He might develop some sort of disgusting inferiority complex.

If Spaeth doesn't get his fingers on that kick, Mason doesn't get a chance to beat Indiana, Michigan State, or Iowa.
 

Bayfieldgopher said:
Wren: "You need to realize that there are plenty around here who try to blame brewster's ineptness on Mason. When people take their shots at Mason, they are asking for more discussion."

Kinda like Obama blaming all his bunglings on GW!!

The Gophers are who they are. All the finger pointing doesn't change that in the least even though there is plenty to go around with both past HC's history.

I am one of the few here who would like to see you hang around GH for awhile Wren. Don't screw it up.
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This is such a backwords way of thinking. The Brewster era is over, I don't think anyone is really trying to pimp Brew and ridicule Mason. A lot of the reasons why we were so thin going into Brew's first season were completely outside of Mason's control. I don't blame Mason for the Alex Daniels incident, Amir Pinnix getting hurt, or for the firing to have taken place so late that whoever the new coach was couldn't bring in some JuCo type players.

However, in trying to look at things for what they are instead of putting your vote in either camp it should be obvious to people that there is more returning talent in 2011. Neither Mason or Brew will be our coach next season so debating about them is really beside the point. Additionally, arguing about Weber is really beside the point. He will be gone and he was a RS-FR going into Brew's first season, so he really doesn't equate to "returning players" in either of the circumstances.
 

imthewalrus said:
All I will say is that Weber did a ton in the two Gopher Big Ten wins in 2010. Gray came in and played some really nice running qb in the iowa game. Will he be ready to go in 2011 as the qb? We still don't really know that. So, I'd say that the jury is still out on the Gopher's 2 wins in 2010.

We don't really know about the passing game for 2011 at all. And, without the passing game against Illinois and Iowa, it might have been a totally different story.

Believe me I want a LOT of Big Ten wins, but, we don't know how the going away present from prexy b and badger joel maturi is going to do in the coaching or recruiting arenas yet, do we? So, when I say the new coach will have to "show me" just how good he is and just how good the returning players are by winning more than 3 Big Ten games in 2011, I am very serious. I'm not convinced that the talent is that strong and I don't have a clue what kind of a coach we will have delivered to the doorstep of this program. How many All-Big-Ten players are returning? About the same number as from the 2006 team.

I'm still hoping that the iowa ad will take the disgruntled iowa fans seriously and will fire Ferentz in time for badger joel maturi to move in on the situaton and hire Ferentz for the U. That is how happy some iowa fans were with the way the 2010 season went (especially the final 3 games) for the iowa football team.

The Illinois and Iowa wins were wonderful wins for the U of M football program. However, am not ready to "project" results into 2011 based upon the final two games of our 2010 Big Ten season. And, since this thread was started based upon "rankings by the fantasy recruiting ranking salesmen", comparng the squads left by Mason vs Brewster, since I think it truely is impossible to rank the two and three star recruits all across the nation, it seems to me that we will just have to wait to see how many Big Ten wins Minnesota achieves in 2011. And, you can NOT seperate fantasy recruiting rankings from the way the recruits are coached, so why even try? All this fantasy stuff is too sprinkled in fairy dust and glitter and glitz for my tastes. Just recruit athletes who fit your system, coach them up and line them up against the other team on Game Day Saturday and let them play football.
You need to realize that there are plenty around here who try to blame brewster's ineptness on Mason. When people take their shots at Mason, they are asking for more discussion.
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Are you saying Brewster deserves credit for coaching up Decker?
 

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