Analysts say 3-9 Gophs roster has higher-rated talent pool than Brew inherited in 06

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Can't say I disagree. I've always felt the team had a shot to be pretty good in 2011, it was just a matter of Brewster doing enough to keep himself here, which he obviously didn't.
 

It won't even be close.

I am not saying that Brew deserved to be kept around but he walked into a much more dire situation than our next coach, and it's not close.
 

Someone, please give me the addresses of where I can...

contact these fantasy recruiting ranking gurus. I want to find out how much it will cost me to subscribe to their fantasy recruiting ranking services. I hope they won't charge me too much to buy their fantasy stuff. I'll bet those guys make a lot of money selling their fantasy stuff.

Do they have any fantasy ranking services that rank the fantasy recruiting rankers themselves? Now THAT would really be helpful. It sounds as though quite a few people make a living doing fantasy star rankings on high school kids all over America. I wonder what their fantasy recruiting rankings fantasy recruiting trips cost them when they all attend all the games and all the practices of every fantasy ranked high school college recruit in America. I wonder how much it would cost me to subscribe to a couple of the fantasy rankings of the fantasy recruiting rankings rankers?

I wonder how much it would cost to subscribe to fantasy football rankings rankers rankings on line. Of course, it would be kind of nice to have a hard copy of their fantasy star rankings of the fantasy star recruitings rankers for research purposes as well as knowing wich fantasy recruiting ranker to pay the most attention to?

Or, is it just fantasy that all the high school recriuts in America can be ranked in five little fantasy star catagories?

I'll tell you one thing though: the bottom line in Big Ten play is that the number of wins minus the number of losses each team gets in Big Ten play is NO fantasy. The standings give a completely real ranking of the talent, the coaching, the heart, the soul, the work ethic, the academic success rate, the discipline, the coachability and the execution ability of all the players and coaches.

Fantasy is fantasy. The final result is the final result. Fantasy and potential and a couple of bucks will buy you a cup of coffee. The final results will be kept in the Big Ten record books and will always be a part of the real story.
 

It would probably be a pretty easy to thing to figure out if you were really interested, just go to their websites and click around.

The recruiting rankings literally have nothing to do with the question but I am really starting to think that you can't grasp this question. So to answer your question, you need to put yourself in your shoes in 2006. For instance, you can't say, "well Decker turned out to be the best WR in the school's history" or "Adam Weber had a great career", those arguments don't really apply to the question.

So first off, the 2006 Gophers went 3-5 in the Big 10 and the 2010 Gophers went 2-6 in the Big 10. The 2006 team was a better football team than last year's team, but they weren't very good and they weren't even one of Mason's best teams. They were a slightly below average Big 10 team and this year we are a bad Big 10 team. Now, we need to look at who is coming back and how much experience and depth we have.

After the 2006 team, the Gophers had almost zero depth and experience returning (i'm not talking about recruits, I am talking about how people actually performed).

On offense, the 2006 team brought back 2 starters on the offensive line, the starting RB, and a starting WR. Literally, on offense, the team brought back 4 starters and a whopping 5 players on our two deep.

On defense, we brought back 9 of our 22 (two deeps).

Now, lets contrast that with the 2011 team
QB: 1/2 from the two deeps
RB: 2/2 from 2 deeps
FB: 1/2 from 2 deeps
TE: 2/2 from 2 deeps
WR: 4/4 from 2 deeps (arguably 3/4 however you want to count Gray)
OL: 6/10 from 2 deeps

So...16/22 on our two deeps will be returning. Of those that are returning, we have 8 SRs

Defense:
DE: 4/4 on two deeps
DT: 4/4 on two deeps
LB: 6/6 on two deeps
CB: 3/4 on two deeps
SS: 1/2 on two deeps
FS: 1/2 on two deeps

So we are returning 19/22 on the defensive end.

So we are returning WAY more players with way more experience and that is one of the largest indicators for success. Note, I am not talking about how well they are ranked from recruiting services. Some of our better returning players weren't ranked that high (McKnight, Lair, Bunders, Rallis, Tinsley).
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
It would probably be a pretty easy to thing to figure out if you were really interested, just go to their websites and click around.

The recruiting rankings literally have nothing to do with the question but I am really starting to think that you can't grasp this question. So to answer your question, you need to put yourself in your shoes in 2006. For instance, you can't say, "well Decker turned out to be the best WR in the school's history" or "Adam Weber had a great career", those arguments don't really apply to the question.

So first off, the 2006 Gophers went 3-5 in the Big 10 and the 2010 Gophers went 2-6 in the Big 10. The 2006 team was a better football team than last year's team, but they weren't very good and they weren't even one of Mason's best teams. They were a slightly below average Big 10 team and this year we are a bad Big 10 team. Now, we need to look at who is coming back and how much experience and depth we have.

After the 2006 team, the Gophers had almost zero depth and experience returning (i'm not talking about recruits, I am talking about how people actually performed).

On offense, the 2006 team brought back 2 starters on the offensive line, the starting RB, and a starting WR. Literally, on offense, the team brought back 4 starters and a whopping 5 players on our two deep.

On defense, we brought back 9 of our 22 (two deeps).

Now, lets contrast that with the 2011 team
QB: 1/2 from the two deeps
RB: 2/2 from 2 deeps
FB: 1/2 from 2 deeps
TE: 2/2 from 2 deeps
WR: 4/4 from 2 deeps (arguably 3/4 however you want to count Gray)
OL: 6/10 from 2 deeps

So...16/22 on our two deeps will be returning. Of those that are returning, we have 8 SRs

Defense:
DE: 4/4 on two deeps
DT: 4/4 on two deeps
LB: 6/6 on two deeps
CB: 3/4 on two deeps
SS: 1/2 on two deeps
FS: 1/2 on two deeps

So we are returning 19/22 on the defensive end.

So we are returning WAY more players with way more experience and that is one of the largest indicators for success. Note, I am not talking about how well they are ranked from recruiting services. Some of our better returning players weren't ranked that high (McKnight, Lair, Bunders, Rallis, Tinsley).
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This is well done analysis of the situation. Of course, the biggest key of all is QB play, regardless of who plays there. But all indicators are that the talent returning for 2011 is greater than the talent that was returning for 2007, regardless of the stars on their recruiting pages.
 

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Anyone with a brain in their skull can see that there is more talent returning in 2011 from the 2010 team than returned for 2007 from the 2006 team. There wasn't enough duct tape, chicken wire, and bubble gum in the world to make that one decent. Whether or not the talent delivers results is yet to be seen.
 

One thing that grinds me though is the kids have to retool fitting into new systems with new coaches.

Again!

Teaching an old dog new tricks is not always easy nor productive. At least the guys are used to change and hopefully will adapt quickly.

Said that, I really liked the potential for the 2011 season. Problem is we had to get through 2010 first and that took its toll.
 

Sehr gut on the analysis Herr Loblaw.

Wren, you don't get on my nerves the way you do for some, but I would propose this deal: those of us who supported the change from Mason to Brewster have come to the realization that Brewster was a disaster as an on-field coach. In return, could you (and other Mason supporters) at least admit that Glen was neither, and I'll be charitable, an energetic nor effective recruiter.

Mason's "we did the best we could" line in this article is so defensive. I can't say it's inaccurate, because I don't know Mason's definition (or expections) of what determines "best." Judging from results, if that was his "best," it wasn't very good. I am not as close to the program as many posters here, but even I have heard a handful of stories where Mason and company just flat-out screwed up and not only didn't get a kid, but managed to take the Gopher the program backwards in some high school programs.

That's not to say that Mason wasn't a good on-field coach, but he was not a good recruiter.

It's not even close in terms of the level of athletic talent that our next coach will be getting as compared to what Brewster inherited. Athletic talent is only part of the equation, but if we get a good coaching staff in place, this talent will translate on the field.
 



Those who claim that recruit rankings mean nothing are saying that it is impossible to evaluate players. If so, why do colleges spend even a moment recruiting? If it is impossible to evaluate players, then the colleges would merely select players at random from the student body.

If the recruit rankings were meaningless, then you would see no correlation between recruit rankings and success on the field. But there is a correlation, teams with higher recruit rankings are more likely to have better records than than teams with lower recruit rankings. Of course it guarantees nothing, but then again, life offers few guarantees. There are going to be some highly regarded players who are busts, and there will be players who do well despire not being highly regarded. On the whole

You can get an idea of which recruits have potential, but potential requires work to get the results from it. The standings don't tell the story of who had the better athletes. A badly coached team can have a terrible record despite having good players, and a well-coached team can have a better record than you might expect from the talent they have.
 

Bayfield hit the nail on the head.

What I detested about Brewster was that he came in and did not evaluate what he had to work with. He tore down everything and brought in entirely new schemes, systems, terminology and total chaos for the 2007 season. He did not evaluate the returning players. He put the onus on the players to ditch everything they had been working on and to learn everything all over again . He lost games in his first season that he should have won. Had he won even one Big Ten game and a couple more of the ooc games, things would have been a LOT better for his players, his coaches, his future recruiting, his "honeymoon" period and the systems that he had brought in. However, he thought he had a "throw away season." That was a horrible thing to have done to the players who were in the system. In essence, the handwriting was on the wall for Brewster as a direct result of that first season. He never could dig himself out of the hole after that.

For me it wasn'tso much about Mason, as it was for the players who were there and the way he threw them under the bus.

Also, what he did in seasons two and three sealed the deal. He kept things in constant chaos and he was totally abusive to his players by continuing to replace or fail to hang on to coordinators and coaches.

Finally, he did not have a clue as to what kind of offense OR defense he was committed to. He had no committment to anything. He was an offensive and defnsive agnostic and therefore a total idiot when it came to running a football program.

The number of fantasy stars or even athlitic ability and speed matters not if you keep your players totally in a learning state, dazed and confused with coaching changes, system changes, scheme changes and the like.

The way Brewster ran a program was totally abusive and disrespectful to the players AND the fans.

I expect the new coach to KNOW what kind of offense and defense he will be committing to. I also expect him to evaluate the talent that he will have to work with and to plug in schemes and systems that will call for the least amount of change for the existing experienced players. He will OWE that to the existing experienced players. That will equate to more wins (ooc and Big Ten) in the first season and more respect for his players and the fans.

And, the Big Ten standings tell you EXACTLY how your program compares with all the other Big Ten programs. All the raw talent in the world is meaningless if that superior talent does not translate into a refined product that can win games on Big Ten Game Day Saturdays. And, raw talent that is undisciplined, out of control or produces a divided team is the worst thing imaginable for a football program.

The new coach HAS to have the ability to coach, teach, mold, shape and control all the elements of his scheme/system. He has to know who the heck he is, what he believes in and he has to have the flexibility to work with what he has to work with.
 

imthewalrus said:
What I detested about Brewster was that he came in and did not evaluate what he had to work with. He tore down everything and brought in entirely new schemes, systems, terminology and total chaos for the 2007 season. He did not evaluate the returning players. He put the onus on the players to ditch everything they had been working on and to learn everything all over again . He lost games in his first season that he should have won. Had he won even one Big Ten game and a couple more of the ooc games, things would have been a LOT better for his players, his coaches, his future recruiting, his "honeymoon" period and the systems that he had brought in. However, he thought he had a "throw away season." That was a horrible thing to have done to the players who were in the system. In essence, the handwriting was on the wall for Brewster as a direct result of that first season. He never could dig himself out of the hole after that.
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Detest is too strong a word to describe my true feelings on this matter, but I agree with your basic tenets here. It was obvious that Brewster was an "athlete first/system second" guy and was oblivious to the need to match your schemes to your players' strengths. The Dunbar-to-Fisch-to-Horton transitions over 4 years is the clearest evidence that Brewster was not prepared to be a head coach.
 

Bottom line, there is plenty to work with now.
Gray, Mcknight, Bennett/Eskridge/freshmen/Lair give you enough weapons on O to work with, in 07 we had Wheelwright/Decker and Freshmen Bennett/Weber, BUT

The D we have coming back is deeper and more athletic than the 07 D could ever hope to be, this is the difference. We all knew(yes, even you Wren) Mason didn't recruit defense well, we saw it in spades in 07'.

We now have at LB: Tinsley/Rallis/Cooper/Beal(hopefully he's as good as advertised), Grant and Hill/Reeves would have possibly started in 07', who knows what Singleton/Tatum/Mitchell bring but tell me the top LB recruits were in 07 that were redshirted.

Our Dline will have: Jacobs/Kirksey/Edwards/Wilhite/Garin/KGM, a guy like Hahn would have started in 07', then we have Ferguson/Tauaefa/Legainia who redshirted, again who were the DL that redsshirted in 07', Jacobs did because he was a RB in HS that's it.

Our secondary will be the weak link next season, but freshmen Theret/Collado started at CB in 07', Carter/Vereen/Henderson/Stoudemire/Manuel/C. Lewis/Bouie are at least warm bodies, in some cases have shown flashes, in 07' we had D Barber and a whole lot of nothing.

We certainly won't be world beaters next season, but there are enough pieces to work with, JUCOs by all accounts might need to be brought in to help WR and secondary depth, but we won't need to burn redshirts and fill the D with JUCOs and anyone that can run like we did in 08'.
Tinsley/Stoudemire/Mcknight/Lair/Collado/Theret/Kirksey/Edwards/Green all could have used a redshirt and our future would be even brighter than it is now.
 



When Brewster was fired, I was both mad and sad.

Mad because we lost to a team we had no business losing to, the youngsters on D did not seem to be getting better, the offense was very inconsistent and special team play was the worse in years. The loss to SD set the tone for Brewsters tenure especially after losing to NIU.

Sad because I knew what was ahead. Another new coach with their own ideas on how to play and coach the game. What looked like a promising 2011 season will be considered a rebuilding year as I will be surprised if the newbie does the usual bring in the new and throw out the old. Now the players have to go to school again. And the fans could be in for another long season.

My hope was that 2010 was good enough to keep Brewster and his staff around another year. Then expect Brewster to pick up the pace in 2011 or pack up. That didn't happen and now the players are stuck with more of the same learning new system BS. I was very happy for the players as they won their last two. But I know what is ahead for them as well.

I know, I know. Be patient. That progressively gets tougher for an old codger like me especially when the short term looks like more of the same.

Maturi MUST bring in a seasoned and successful HC who is capable of getting this thing pointed in the right direction. Recruit solid talent, sprinkled in with a couple of ringers, and keep them around for 5 years. And I am optimistic that President Elect Kaler seems to get it.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
It would probably be a pretty easy to thing to figure out if you were really interested, just go to their websites and click around.

The recruiting rankings literally have nothing to do with the question but I am really starting to think that you can't grasp this question. So to answer your question, you need to put yourself in your shoes in 2006. For instance, you can't say, "well Decker turned out to be the best WR in the school's history" or "Adam Weber had a great career", those arguments don't really apply to the question.

So first off, the 2006 Gophers went 3-5 in the Big 10 and the 2010 Gophers went 2-6 in the Big 10. The 2006 team was a better football team than last year's team, but they weren't very good and they weren't even one of Mason's best teams. They were a slightly below average Big 10 team and this year we are a bad Big 10 team. Now, we need to look at who is coming back and how much experience and depth we have.

After the 2006 team, the Gophers had almost zero depth and experience returning (i'm not talking about recruits, I am talking about how people actually performed).

On offense, the 2006 team brought back 2 starters on the offensive line, the starting RB, and a starting WR. Literally, on offense, the team brought back 4 starters and a whopping 5 players on our two deep.

On defense, we brought back 9 of our 22 (two deeps).

Now, lets contrast that with the 2011 team
QB: 1/2 from the two deeps
RB: 2/2 from 2 deeps
FB: 1/2 from 2 deeps
TE: 2/2 from 2 deeps
WR: 4/4 from 2 deeps (arguably 3/4 however you want to count Gray)
OL: 6/10 from 2 deeps

So...16/22 on our two deeps will be returning. Of those that are returning, we have 8 SRs

Defense:
DE: 4/4 on two deeps
DT: 4/4 on two deeps
LB: 6/6 on two deeps
CB: 3/4 on two deeps
SS: 1/2 on two deeps
FS: 1/2 on two deeps

So we are returning 19/22 on the defensive end.

So we are returning WAY more players with way more experience and that is one of the largest indicators for success. Note, I am not talking about how well they are ranked from recruiting services. Some of our better returning players weren't ranked that high (McKnight, Lair, Bunders, Rallis, Tinsley).
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This is why the hire is so big. They can come in and win 8 games first year and if they recruit from day one this thing could be turned around immediately.
 

Ole: "Tinsley/Stoudemire/Mcknight/Lair/Collado/Theret/Kirksey/Edwards/Green all could have used a redshirt and our future would be even brighter than it is now."

That goes back to Mason's inability to recruit at least average talent and retain them. His 04, 05 and 06 classes were disasters considering that half of those recruits vacated the program for various reasons. Plus a good number of the 07 class left when Brewster arrived.

You win with 4th and 5th year seniors scattered in with a few ringers and continuity with coaching.
 

Bayfieldgopher said:
Ole: "Tinsley/Stoudemire/Mcknight/Lair/Collado/Theret/Kirksey/Edwards/Green all could have used a redshirt and our future would be even brighter than it is now."

That goes back to Mason's inability to recruit at least average talent and retain them. His 04, 05 and 06 classes were disasters considering that half of those recruits vacated the program for various reasons. Plus a good number of the 07 class left when Brewster arrived.

You win with 4th and 5th year seniors scattered in with a few ringers and continuity with coaching.
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exactly, I do not expect our 2011/12 class to HAVE to play day 1 like the 07/08 classes did.
 

Great posts Ole and Bayfield. I agree 100% of the red-shirt issue. I blame Mason for not having depth in place for the reasons cited and I blame Brewster's impatience for not looking at the long-term arc.

Again, Wisconsin is a great model here. They do a great job of red-shirting their "grunts" and mixing in some 4-star guys (Clay, Ball, Toon) at the skilled positions. Same with Iowa, although Iowa's ability to get the 4-star skilled position guys seems to have abandoned them in the short-term.

It's about creating a system and sticking with it. I always thought Mason adhered to a "cycle" approach, where he took a group of guys as red-shirt freshman and sophomores and rode them through a "cycle" and then started over with a new group after they graduated. The primary exception would be the running back position, where he always seemed to have guys ready and performing. As for the other positions, he never seemed to have the depth to "plug in" the next guy.
 

50PoundHead said:
Great posts Ole and Bayfield. I agree 100% of the red-shirt issue. I blame Mason for not having depth in place for the reasons cited and I blame Brewster's impatience for not looking at the long-term arc.

Again, Wisconsin is a great model here. They do a great job of red-shirting their "grunts" and mixing in some 4-star guys (Clay, Ball, Toon) at the skilled positions. Same with Iowa, although Iowa's ability to get the 4-star skilled position guys seems to have abandoned them in the short-term.

It's about creating a system and sticking with it. I always thought Mason adhered to a "cycle" approach, where he took a group of guys as red-shirt freshman and sophomores and rode them through a "cycle" and then started over with a new group after they graduated. The primary exception would be the running back position, where he always seemed to have guys ready and performing. As for the other positions, he never seemed to have the depth to "plug in" the next guy.
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F'k Wisconsin. You could probably argue that almost every team regularly in the Top 30 in the nation do a good job of this. You're right on the money though.

It's actually kind of funny. While Mason was in charge, I never really knew what shape the program was in. Now that he's gone and over the last couple of seasons you could see the SIGNIFICANT lack of impact players left over from his regime, I can't stand the man more than ever before. It's a travesty the lack of depth he left the incoming coach with.


Easy test to see if the new coach has more to work with than Brewster did. This season, Brew basically had Weber, Burris, and Collado (forgive me if I'm missing someone else) that were essentially left over from the Mason era. 4 years from now, I'd be SHOCKED if there weren't more than 3 impact players left over from the Brewster era.

Time will tell...
 

Exactly, Ogee. The pigeons do the same thing. Recruit football players and athletes, redshirt em, then give them a year or two to develop, then unleash them as RS-Soph and Jrs on the world and watch the carnage.

My hope is that someday the Gophers will have a talented, driven coach in place long enough to do this.
 

Brewster was left with little depth and had no choice but to bring in JUCO's and play Frosh. The past two seasons he choose to RS over 40 Frosh which should bode well for the future. Thomas, Dandridge & Potter's early departures and Lewis last year, Carters issues and Royston's serious injury put our secondary in a tough spot this Fall. Plus there were no DB's left from Mason's 06 class to lead the way.
 

Article said:
Two of Mason's best players at Minnesota were Marion Barber III and Laurence Maroney, both rated four-star recruits by Lemming, both now NFL running backs. Barber and Maroney were also two of Mason's best recruits.
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Wasn't Barber a 2 star who only got in as a legacy recruit?

Or did Lemming rate him way higher than the other services?
 

Ok, so that's what you people want to do, even after this brewster train wreck...

This is a badger joel maturi and prexy b induced problem. They let Mason's contract run down for 3 long years and then at the very last moment in 2005 extended him so he could help get the stadium deal. The next year they bought out their costly extension. Then they hired an incompetent person to run their brewball experiment. Any way you cut it, Mason didn't have a contract in place...he had to help get the stadium plan approved but he was stuck in the dome AND he was a victim of prexy b and badger joel maturi.

Brewster HAD the new stadium either being constructed or actually playing in it. That was supposed to be a huge advantage. He also was given a contract extension to help his recruiting. But, he also was the product of prexy b and badger joel maturi. He was fired mid-season in 2010 without a Big Ten win from his supposed superior recruits. After he was fired, the interm coach won 2 Big Ten games by actually game planning and finding a way to Coach the players.

Some of you self-proclaimed experts on fantasy recruiting rankings claim that the players who will be around for the 2011 season are better than the players who were there for the 2007 season. I don't see it. They certainly didn't do much in 2010. A couple had nice years...just like some of the players in 2007 had nice years. I see no improvement in the players coming back for 2011 compared to the players coming back for 2008 who were Mason recruits. You can spin it all you want, but, let's just wait until the 2011 season and we will see what the Big Ten record says.

In Mason's final year, there were 3 Big Ten wins. In Brewster's final year there were 0 Big Ten wins under Brewster and 2 Big Ten wins under the interm coach, Horton. You people claim there will be more talent for the new coach. So, that means the new coach should have at least 3 Big Ten wins in 2011. I say it ALL depends on the coach. I say the talent is certainly NO better and may be even worse for the new coach. You see, brewster did NOT coach the talent up...and even held the talent back. (Notice, the 2 Big Ten wins came under Horton...NOT Brewster.)

So, assuming that prexy b and badger joel maturi's new hire really is a REAL football coach, that coach needs to win at LEAST 3 Big Ten games in the 2011 season with "all" of this talent that you say is currently on the team. Any less than 3 Big Ten wins and either the new coach will hav failed all these "talented" players that you claim are remaining, OR prexy b and badger joel maturi will have continued in their history of totally messing up hiring coaches.

So, I will be expecting at least 3 Big Ten wins in 2011. Since you continue to put all of brewster's problems on Mason, that is the way we are going to have to assess the "talent" as of December 3, 2010. Personally, I'm not as sure about the "talent" spin that you want to put on the situation as some of you are. I'll just have to say I am skeptical...show me with at least 3 Big Ten wins in 2011.

There is ONE prime factor here: the football coaching situation under prexy b and badger joel maturi is going to have one last go-around. We shall see what we shall see. Will they bring in a real coach? IF they do, perhaps things can improve. IF they screw it up again, we are all in for a long, strange trip into the unknown. Welcome into the Big Ten Nebraska. We will either provide some competition for you, or we are in for a bad start in our renewed rivalry with you. At least, I hope we get a coach who can get our series off to a "rivalry" type of start.
 

I hope that Mason does take the Indiana job, so we can take the Mason-worshippers with him.
 

imthewalrus said:
This is a badger joel jaturi and prexy b induced problem. They let Mason's contract run down for 3 stinking years and then extended him so he could help get the stadium deal. Then they hired an incompetent person to run their brewball experiment. Any way you cut it, Mason didn't have a contract in place...he had to help get the stadium plan approved but he was stuck in the dome AND he was a victim of prexy b and badger joel maturi.

Brewster HAD the new stadium either being constructed or actually playing in it. He was given a contract extension to help his recruiting. But, he also was the product of prexy b and badger joel maturi.

Some of you people claim that the players who will be around for the 2011 season are better than the players who were there for the 2007 season. I don't see it. They certainly didn't do much in 2010. A couple had nice years...just like some of the players in 2007 had nice years. I see no improvement in the players coming back for 2011 compared to the players coming back for 2008 who were Mason recruits. You can spin it all you want, but, let's just wait until the 2011 season and we will see what the Big Ten record says.

In Mason's final year, there were 3 Big Ten wins. In Brewster's final year there were 0 Big Ten wins under Brewster and 2 Big Ten wins under the interm coach, Horton. You people claim there will be more talent for the new coach. So, that means the new coach should have at least 3 Big Ten wins in 2011. I say it ALL depends on the coach. I say the talent is certainly NO better and may be even worse for the new coach. You see, brewster did NOT coach the talent up...and even held the talent back. (Notice, the 2 Big Ten wins came under Horton...NOT Brewster.)

So, assuming that prexy b and badger joel maturi's new hire really is a REAL football coach, that coach needs to win at LEAST 3 Big Ten games in the 2011 season with "all" of this talent that you say is currently on the team. Any less than 3 Big Ten wins and either the new coach will hav failed all these "talented" players that you claim are remaining, OR prexy b and badger joel maturi will have continued in their history of totally messing up hiring coaches.

So, I will be expecting at least 3 Big Ten wins in 2011. Since you continue to put all of brewster's problems on Mason, that is the way we are going to have to assess the "talent" as of December 3, 2010. Personally, I'm not as sure about the "talent" spin that you want to put on the situation as some of you are. I'll just have to say I am skeptical...show me with at least 3 Big Ten wins in 2011
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Your are right, this season we were certainly lead by the great RSSr talents of Brylee Calender and Terrence Sherrer. Ben Fischer and Jamar Howard were beasts at the WR position.
Our defense was incredible thanks to the ferocious pass rush of Sean McWhirter, Wille Dyson and Robert McField, plus to coverage skills of Duran Cooley, and Daron Love were fantastic. AND who can forget the great skill sets of Rudy Robinson and Mike Wey.

BS MAN! Mason DIDN'T RECRUIT, that's why his teams lost against top talent and that's why he was fired. The great class of 06 is a big reason why Brewster was forced to burn potential redshirts and recruit JUCOs. Stop defending a lazy coach, it's sad.
BTW Brewster failed, everyone in america knows that, it doesn't forgive the recruiting BS Mason pulled in 05 and 06.
 

Count the Big Ten wns ole and see how long it takes the latest prexy b/badger joel maturi hire to get above 3 Big Ten wins in a season. "Fantasy recruiting ranking" at the U of M is B.S. man!
 

imthewalrus said:
Count the Big Ten wns ole and see how long it takes the latest prexy b/badger joel maturi hire to get above 3 Big Ten wins in a season. "Fantasy recruiting ranking" at the U of M is B.S. man!
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the subject wasn't wins or losses, it's recruiting or lack there of before Brewster got here versus now and what will be left for the next coach.

I'm not talking "fantasy recruiting" i'm talking meanful contributions, tackles, yards, catches, sacks, Td's. How many of Mason's 2006 class, which would be RSseniors this past year, contributed to the program? How many BIG TEN WINS would have been collected if the group I sarcastically highlighted in my previous post would have been replaced with competent players?
BTW I think we get 3 Big Ten wins next season, even Brewster did that, Heck Horton almost did too.
 

imthewalrus said:
Count the Big Ten wns ole and see how long it takes the latest prexy b/badger joel maturi hire to get above 3 Big Ten wins in a season. "Fantasy recruiting ranking" at the U of M is B.S. man!
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Ummmm.... I think that's what we're all saying, Charlie Brown. In the new coach's second or third year, the lion's share of Brewster's recruits will be in their prime. I'd be shocked if they aren't more successful then the Grin-Meister.

At the very least, those teams won't be sporting dozens of true freshmen and true sophomores because they had to burn RS's.

Keep following along. You'll figure it out eventually...
 

imthewalrus said:
In Mason's final year, there were 3 Big Ten wins.
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The combined Big Ten wins of the three teams the 2006 Gophers defeated: 6

The combined Big Ten wins of the two teams the 2010 Gophers defeated: 8


Now, to go scrub away the repugnant stench of responding to a Wren post.
 

I don't know if the recruiting talent is better now compared to when Brew got here, but I do know I know the names of the young players going forward and am optimistic that they can be good BigTen players. I can't say that about the players from 05 and 06.
 

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