Amelia: We will either have an NCAA tournament win, or a coaching search on our hands

[zipsofakron]

I don't understand all the focus on historical Gopher teams. I'm frustrated with the here and now.

This was the year we were supposed to break through. We got a huge bonus in getting Mbakwe back to go with a team that finished last season strong. Clearly the best mix of talent and experience in Tubby's tenure. But a few glaring things have held them back:

1) The bench is awful. Walker, Ahanmisi and Osenieks have no business on a Big Ten roster. Welch and Ingram are limited. Giving these guys scholarships while passing on guys like Wolters, Muscala & Chambers (amongst several others) has been killer. I know this is revisionist history and there was no way of knowing these guys would be that good and blah, blah, blah, but that is what Tubby and staff get paid to do. Identify talent. The secondary recruiting has been severely lacking, which brings us to...

2) Tubby doesn't seem to recognize #1. It's one thing to play a deep bench when you've got a deep bench. I haven't always been a big fan of the line shifts or playing 11 men in the past, but at least there wasn't too great of a drop off. This season, it has been painfully obvious that the second unit is extremely limited from the jump, yet Tubby has stubbornly stuck with his system. We should have basically a six man rotation with Elliason getting minutes commensurate with the starters. You CANNOT pull guys out for the duration of the half when they get two fouls. That just isn't a luxury the team can afford. Guys like Welch and Ingram could fill in for a few minutes a game, but this team is only going to go as far as the starters take them. Tubby's failure to adjust to his personnel has been awful.

3) Offense. Too complicated? Too simple? Too predictable? Not enough shooting? I don't know. I do know that a Hall of Fame coach shouldn't have a team that looks this inept. Guys like Williams and Coleman are clearly not great shooters, but that's where it falls on the coaches to get them the ball in spots where they can be effective. Again, too much rigidity without regard for the talents your players bring to the table.

I really don't care about how Tubby stacks up to previous coaches at the U. I care how he stacks up to other coaches and programs in 2013. Plenty of programs without winning traditions have found formulas to become successful. It can be done here. However, with two consecutive lackluster recruiting classes and a trend of fading down the stretch, the prospect of landing the 2014 big three are looking bleak. If we miss out on all three, I fear the damage will be felt for years to come.

Couldn't have said much of this better myself. I differ slightly on #1, though. I think Tubby was put in a tough spot with transfers (a different argument) and was in a pinch to fill things out. This roster looks a lot different with Iverson, White, Cobbs and Joseph on it. I think he's done a pretty defensible job in the recruiting department.

That said, the bench as a whole gets far too many minutes.

 

[Smokey Pearl]

Earlier on in this thread someone stated that Kundla went .500 in conf more often that not, same with Musselman, same with Dutch, same with Clem.


Need I remind that poster, and maybe everyone else, that Musselman and Clem CHEATED!!!!


That leaves us with Kundla and Dutch.


Kundla was coaching the Gophers before I was born, I'm 45 years old. Honestly? Is his coaching record really relevant to anything going on today?!

And Dutch's boys got falsely accused of rape. Sure, they were cleared of the charges, but still, what kind of players was he recruiting that they'd get themselves into a spot where they could be falsely accused of something like this?!



Minnesota's history is this, we lost out on Wooden, and ended up with Kundla, who did well, but not excellent. Did he care?! He had 5 Pro BB titles under his belt, maybe he was on cruise control while coaching here? But like I said, that's pretty ancient history, hardly relevant, especially in light of this little fact,

Since Kundla,


EVERY SINGLE COACH prior to Tubby, was stained by controversy, scandal and/or CHEATING of some form.

Under Musselman, we suffered a national embarrassment. The entire nation thought very little of us after the big melee on the court in the OSU game.

Under his replacement, Dutcher, who was stained with sanctions from the Musselman period, and stained from a minor violation during his own period which canceled out an entire season, possibly our best ever, came the Rape scandal.

Enter the BIGGEST ACADEMIC CHEATER IN NCAA HISTORY, or at least that we know of because he was dumb enough to get caught. Yeah, so what if Clem had some successful seasons, he left the program in shambles.


Next up was Monson, who some here think was a great hire, because of Gonzaga's E8 run?! Many out there believed that Monson's assistant who took over at Gonzaga was the real brain of that program, and history has bore that out for the most part since then.

And yes, Monson was stained with scandal, being the coach that had to suffer through sanctions.

And Monson's final 3 seasons, which were POST-scandal or mostly so, were his worst 3. Monson's teams GOT WORSE as time went on.



Finally, Tubby comes in, from a semi-successful stint at Kentucky. I say semi-successful because many claim that he was only able to win with his prior coaches players, and UK fans were not happy with his results from that season on. Some here have made it out that we stole Tubby from UK, but we all know that UK was on the verge of firing him. It would be akin to USC coming in and hiring Tubby this spring after we flame out in the 1st round of the NCAA tourney. Should USC be credited with STEALING Tubby from us?! lol

So we got a guy whose reputation was waning. He's getting older.

Had the 2010 team not suffered any injuries, and gone on to a stellar season, maybe Tubby would have had his spirit revived.

But no, instead the 2010 team suffered season ruining type calamities.

The Gopher's have been plagued with similar obstacles ever since.


We finally catch a break and get Trev back for a 6th year.


This was thought by many to be THE YEAR!!!!



But, seriously. Tubby's teams have gotten better progressively since he got here. His worst year was his first, and we all understand about that, he inherited a mess.

His best season so far is THIS YEAR.


So the beef is that we are not progressing FAST ENOUGH, right?!

Since we ARE progressing forward.



First coach in 40-50 years to win without cheating or controversy.

And we want to fire him, and fast!!!!

What a loser, how could he not instantly turn us into a Top 5 Big Ten program?!




Ummm?! SEVEN Big Ten teams have won multiple Big Ten titles or gone to multiple FFs in the 20 years, years where Minnesota was cheating, getting caught, getting hammered by the NCAA, etc..


The Big Ten was getting better, deeper, with almost EVERY program upgrading their coaching staffs, significantly.

OSU, Indiana, MSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan and Purdue are ESTABLISHED POWERS in the best conference top to bottom in the nation.


A school with some of the worst facilities in the Big Ten, some of the worst shows of support from the administration throughout conf history, and also from fans, and NO, we do not have a reputation as having a great college party atmosphere, just getting past sanctions, and with little to no history whatsoever in most of our lifetimes that didn't involve cheating, SHOULD NOT do nothing more than hiring a good coach, not a great, but only a good coach, an aging coach, and then EXPECT THE MOON!!!!!!!


All of that in the preceeding paragraph is not even taking into consideration the plague of injuries that we've suffered through the past couple of years.


Some could argue its amazing Tubby's gotten us to 2 NCAA tourney's, an NIT Final, and into the Top 15 of the RPI and on our way to our 3rd NCAA tourney in 6 years.

He's made us consistently competitive in each of this last 5 seasons.

Honestly, put up REALISTICALLY against all the modern day Gopher bb coaches of the past, minus all of their CHEATING YEARS/scandal years, and

Tubby's arguably done a lot with this program seeing as he hasn't been caught cheating or been involved in a scandal yet.



All this being said, I'm still not a big Tubby fan, I'm just NOT a fan of people who like to distort reality.




I think Minnesota's BIGGEST selling point right now, to future prospective coaches and players, is our lack of history, our lack of past success.

The coach that does come to Minnesota and gets us to the FF, will be considered the Greatest Thing since sliced bread. And the players that come here and get us to the FF, will be seen as heroes for all time.

Pure MIRACLE WORKERS.


Because our facilities suck, our history sucks, our administrative support sucks, our fan base level of support sucks, our college atmosphere sucks, our weather sucks!


See, I know I'm a TRUE Gopher fan, because I love Minnesota DESPITE all of that. We can't change the weather or the fact we are located in a major metro, and we'll always be a state full of bandwagon fans, just too many options and pro sports teams. Will never change. But we CAN change things like how much the Admin supports the bb program, which would result in improved facilities, which might help improve the level of talent the next coach can bring in, and increased Admin support would help bring in a top notch coach, all of which could improve our recent history, which is the most important, which could slowly change and improve the level of fan support in the state.


Our history means our expectations should not be as high as they are. Does that mean no one can win at Minnesota?! Absolutely NOT!!!!!!


ONE miracle, could get us winning.


Or a huge increase of investment in the program. Increase in money, increase in time, increase in effort.


The miracle could occur tomorrow night. Or never.


The increase of investment could start anytime.

I don't think it is too much to ask to at least have one winning B1G season and one NCAA win in six years!

 

[Dr.Don]

I get a kick out of commentors who take a 5-minutes to read comment from #1alphabet, reply with quote, and then make a one sentence comment.

 

[tikited]

Earlier on in this thread someone stated that Kundla went .500 in conf more often that not, same with Musselman, same with Dutch, same with Clem.


Need I remind that poster, and maybe everyone else, that Musselman and Clem CHEATED!!!!


That leaves us with Kundla and Dutch.


Kundla was coaching the Gophers before I was born, I'm 45 years old. Honestly? Is his coaching record really relevant to anything going on today?!

And Dutch's boys got falsely accused of rape. Sure, they were cleared of the charges, but still, what kind of players was he recruiting that they'd get themselves into a spot where they could be falsely accused of something like this?!



Minnesota's history is this, we lost out on Wooden, and ended up with Kundla, who did well, but not excellent. Did he care?! He had 5 Pro BB titles under his belt, maybe he was on cruise control while coaching here? But like I said, that's pretty ancient history, hardly relevant, especially in light of this little fact,

Since Kundla,


EVERY SINGLE COACH prior to Tubby, was stained by controversy, scandal and/or CHEATING of some form.

Under Musselman, we suffered a national embarrassment. The entire nation thought very little of us after the big melee on the court in the OSU game.

Under his replacement, Dutcher, who was stained with sanctions from the Musselman period, and stained from a minor violation during his own period which canceled out an entire season, possibly our best ever, came the Rape scandal.

Enter the BIGGEST ACADEMIC CHEATER IN NCAA HISTORY, or at least that we know of because he was dumb enough to get caught. Yeah, so what if Clem had some successful seasons, he left the program in shambles.


Next up was Monson, who some here think was a great hire, because of Gonzaga's E8 run?! Many out there believed that Monson's assistant who took over at Gonzaga was the real brain of that program, and history has bore that out for the most part since then.

And yes, Monson was stained with scandal, being the coach that had to suffer through sanctions.

And Monson's final 3 seasons, which were POST-scandal or mostly so, were his worst 3. Monson's teams GOT WORSE as time went on.



Finally, Tubby comes in, from a semi-successful stint at Kentucky. I say semi-successful because many claim that he was only able to win with his prior coaches players, and UK fans were not happy with his results from that season on. Some here have made it out that we stole Tubby from UK, but we all know that UK was on the verge of firing him. It would be akin to USC coming in and hiring Tubby this spring after we flame out in the 1st round of the NCAA tourney. Should USC be credited with STEALING Tubby from us?! lol

So we got a guy whose reputation was waning. He's getting older.

Had the 2010 team not suffered any injuries, and gone on to a stellar season, maybe Tubby would have had his spirit revived.

But no, instead the 2010 team suffered season ruining type calamities.

The Gopher's have been plagued with similar obstacles ever since.


We finally catch a break and get Trev back for a 6th year.


This was thought by many to be THE YEAR!!!!



But, seriously. Tubby's teams have gotten better progressively since he got here. His worst year was his first, and we all understand about that, he inherited a mess.

His best season so far is THIS YEAR.


So the beef is that we are not progressing FAST ENOUGH, right?!

Since we ARE progressing forward.



First coach in 40-50 years to win without cheating or controversy.

And we want to fire him, and fast!!!!

What a loser, how could he not instantly turn us into a Top 5 Big Ten program?!




Ummm?! SEVEN Big Ten teams have won multiple Big Ten titles or gone to multiple FFs in the 20 years, years where Minnesota was cheating, getting caught, getting hammered by the NCAA, etc..


The Big Ten was getting better, deeper, with almost EVERY program upgrading their coaching staffs, significantly.

OSU, Indiana, MSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan and Purdue are ESTABLISHED POWERS in the best conference top to bottom in the nation.


A school with some of the worst facilities in the Big Ten, some of the worst shows of support from the administration throughout conf history, and also from fans, and NO, we do not have a reputation as having a great college party atmosphere, just getting past sanctions, and with little to no history whatsoever in most of our lifetimes that didn't involve cheating, SHOULD NOT do nothing more than hiring a good coach, not a great, but only a good coach, an aging coach, and then EXPECT THE MOON!!!!!!!


All of that in the preceeding paragraph is not even taking into consideration the plague of injuries that we've suffered through the past couple of years.


Some could argue its amazing Tubby's gotten us to 2 NCAA tourney's, an NIT Final, and into the Top 15 of the RPI and on our way to our 3rd NCAA tourney in 6 years.

He's made us consistently competitive in each of this last 5 seasons.

Honestly, put up REALISTICALLY against all the modern day Gopher bb coaches of the past, minus all of their CHEATING YEARS/scandal years, and

Tubby's arguably done a lot with this program seeing as he hasn't been caught cheating or been involved in a scandal yet.



All this being said, I'm still not a big Tubby fan, I'm just NOT a fan of people who like to distort reality.




I think Minnesota's BIGGEST selling point right now, to future prospective coaches and players, is our lack of history, our lack of past success.

The coach that does come to Minnesota and gets us to the FF, will be considered the Greatest Thing since sliced bread. And the players that come here and get us to the FF, will be seen as heroes for all time.

Pure MIRACLE WORKERS.


Because our facilities suck, our history sucks, our administrative support sucks, our fan base level of support sucks, our college atmosphere sucks, our weather sucks!


See, I know I'm a TRUE Gopher fan, because I love Minnesota DESPITE all of that. We can't change the weather or the fact we are located in a major metro, and we'll always be a state full of bandwagon fans, just too many options and pro sports teams. Will never change. But we CAN change things like how much the Admin supports the bb program, which would result in improved facilities, which might help improve the level of talent the next coach can bring in, and increased Admin support would help bring in a top notch coach, all of which could improve our recent history, which is the most important, which could slowly change and improve the level of fan support in the state.


Our history means our expectations should not be as high as they are. Does that mean no one can win at Minnesota?! Absolutely NOT!!!!!!


ONE miracle, could get us winning.


Or a huge increase of investment in the program. Increase in money, increase in time, increase in effort.


The miracle could occur tomorrow night. Or never.


The increase of investment could start anytime.

Did anyone seriously read all of this?

 

[HOOP DREAMS]

Fire Saul after their tournament loss?

What does Saul Smith? Doesn't seem to be a recruiter? Player development? If he is let go would Tubby follow?

@ElvestadMike

Saul does some recruiting as well, but Ron Jirsa and Vince Taylor probably handle the bulk of it. Saul’s main responsibilities is to oversee guard development and ball handling.

(**pause to wait for gasps and shrieks about turnovers being Saul’s fault**)

Per the other half of your question, there has been some speculation about whether the ‘U’ administration would perhaps turn over the staff (see what I did there?) even if Minnesota decided to keep Tubby. But as you noted, it could be a messy deal trying to hire all new assistants for Tubby. To start with, Saul is his son, and I don’t think the head coach would take a staff revamping very well. He’s got to work with these guys and produce favorable outcomes, so Smith getting along with his assistants is in the interest of everyone. That said, I think there is a real argument to be made for some kind of change. Would Tubby walk out if his assistants were dismissed? I don’t know the answer to that … but I wouldn’t be surprised.

 

[Maroon Shower]

Couldn't have said much of this better myself. I differ slightly on #1, though. I think Tubby was put in a tough spot with transfers (a different argument) and was in a pinch to fill things out. This roster looks a lot different with Iverson, White, Cobbs and Joseph on it. I think he's done a pretty defensible job in the recruiting department.

That said, the bench as a whole gets far too many minutes.

I guess this can be argued. I just think that Tubby has to be held partially responsible for the transfers, too. Without being privy to any inside information, his entire philosophy seems to be about as old school as they come. Roles do not appear to be clearly communicated. I imagine it would difficult to play for him. I question the effectiveness not only of his strategy, but his approach to young athletes.

This extends to the recruitment of the big three. Why would they come play here? Tubby might have Tyus coming off the bench behind Maverick. They'll definitely be splitting minutes and sharing far too much court time with inferior talent. Why would a young superstar athlete put up with that when coaches around the country are offering them the moon?

 

[Smokey Pearl]

Glad I could amuse you Dr.Don

 

[bleedgold]

1) I am so sick of this board bringing up Nate Wolters. Kid is a great talent and could clearly play for the gophs now. That is not arguable whatsoever. What is arguable is the fact not a SINGLE big ten team offered him a scholarship. Not Marquette or Northern Iowa either, all teams within range of knowing who he was.

2) Transfers..we have had a lot. It sucks but to Blame Tubby for everyone? Royce White beat up a security guard and was in a dorm that he was banned from. of course he was going to get suspended for that. The reason cobbs transferred was because he was stuck behind Al Nolen and then Deboe Joseph plus he wanted to play more uptempo. So he transferred. Just so happened 2 months later Devoe Joseph failed his first of at least 3 drug tests from what I have heard. His choice was to be suspended for the year or transfer and save a small amount of eligibility so he transferred. Without knowing for a fact my guess would be if Joseph transferred first Cobbs would have stayed. It was bad luck. Colten Iverson is the one that really did get away. I'd agree Tubby lost him somehow.

Why does Tubby get no credit for having the most top 25 wins in the nation (5) behind only 1 team who has 6. He at least keeps us competitive in most games and gives us a chance to win. he was the first coach to win AT Wisconsin in lke 10 years, he beat MSU and Indiana this year. We havnt beat this many ranked teams in a long time. yes Iowa, Penn State, Nebraska sucked but basketball is tough, you lose games. Kansas lost to a terrible TCU team. Sh*t happens.

People keep bashing Maverick....has anyone watched a game recently? He is the reason we beat Indiana. His two three's he hit were huge. He played PG for over half the second half. Is he a star..no, is he a Big Ten Starting PG, no but he plays his role well.

 

[Bad Gopher]

That's not uncommon at all. You're always going to be more outraged and pissed off right after a bad loss.

It's not that. It's something else:

http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html

 

[Maroon Shower]

1) I am so sick of this board bringing up Nate Wolters. Kid is a great talent and could clearly play for the gophs now. That is not arguable whatsoever. What is arguable is the fact not a SINGLE big ten team offered him a scholarship. Not Marquette or Northern Iowa either, all teams within range of knowing who he was.

2) Transfers..we have had a lot. It sucks but to Blame Tubby for everyone? Royce White beat up a security guard and was in a dorm that he was banned from. of course he was going to get suspended for that. The reason cobbs transferred was because he was stuck behind Al Nolen and then Deboe Joseph plus he wanted to play more uptempo. So he transferred. Just so happened 2 months later Devoe Joseph failed his first of at least 3 drug tests from what I have heard. His choice was to be suspended for the year or transfer and save a small amount of eligibility so he transferred. Without knowing for a fact my guess would be if Joseph transferred first Cobbs would have stayed. It was bad luck. Colten Iverson is the one that really did get away. I'd agree Tubby lost him somehow.

Why does Tubby get no credit for having the most top 25 wins in the nation (5) behind only 1 team who has 6. He at least keeps us competitive in most games and gives us a chance to win. he was the first coach to win AT Wisconsin in lke 10 years, he beat MSU and Indiana this year. We havnt beat this many ranked teams in a long time. yes Iowa, Penn State, Nebraska sucked but basketball is tough, you lose games. Kansas lost to a terrible TCU team. Sh*t happens.

People keep bashing Maverick....has anyone watched a game recently? He is the reason we beat Indiana. His two three's he hit were huge. He played PG for over half the second half. Is he a star..no, is he a Big Ten Starting PG, no but he plays his role well.

It's fine that they miss a recruit now and again. It happens. The problem is they've missed on a TON of recruits and have been stuck with inferior talent. For a team that insists on playing so many guys, this is unacceptable.

It's nice to beat some top 25 teams. It would be nicer if you could be a top 25 team. With the most talented team you've had in 6 years, top 25 and a winning conference record doesn't seem like too much to ask. Why set the bar so low?

Maverick has had a few decent games. He's also had some truly awful games. He's just not consist enough to be relied upon at this level.

It really comes down to this: Do you accept mediocrity?

 

[GophersOnTheRise]

Did anyone seriously read all of this?

Absolutely not. Still can't wrap my head around the idea that he thinks posts should be that long. I just can't figure it out.

 

[lakesgopher]

It's fine that they miss a recruit now and again. It happens. The problem is they've missed on a TON of recruits and have been stuck with inferior talent. For a team that insists on playing so many guys, this is unacceptable.
It's nice to beat some top 25 teams. It would be nicer if you could be a top 25 team. With the most talented team you've had in 6 years, top 25 and a winning conference record doesn't seem like too much to ask. Why set the bar so low?

Maverick has had a few decent games. He's also had some truly awful games. He's just not consist enough to be relied upon at this level.

It really comes down to this: Do you accept mediocrity?

who have we missed on? if you think we "missed" on wolters youre an idiot. and so is everyone else on gopherhole that thinks the same.

 

[GophersInIowa]

It's fine that they miss a recruit now and again. It happens. The problem is they've missed on a TON of recruits and have been stuck with inferior talent. For a team that insists on playing so many guys, this is unacceptable.

It's nice to beat some top 25 teams. It would be nicer if you could be a top 25 team. With the most talented team you've had in 6 years, top 25 and a winning conference record doesn't seem like too much to ask. Why set the bar so low?

Maverick has had a few decent games. He's also had some truly awful games. He's just not consist enough to be relied upon at this level.

It really comes down to this: Do you accept mediocrity?

It was referenced earlier on that a big reason for the inferior talent is because of transfers. Does Tubby deserve some of the blame for them? Absolutely. Should he have banked a scholarship instead of signing both Maverick and Armelin extremely late in the recruiting process? Probably.

To have signed a guy like Wolters, they would have had to take him over Justin Cobbs. Cobbs had much better offers out of high school and has become a pretty good player at Cal (just named 2nd team all conference). Wolters has been better, but you can't fault Tubby too much as no one saw that coming. If they did, Wolters would have gotten better offers.

Muscala was recruited the same year as White and Mbakwe. The only people who would have signed him over either of those two out of high school is Muscala, his family, and his mom's best friend.

I'll give you Chambers as a possibility but I would at least wait until the two guys we did sign last year get a chance to play.

It's easy to say we should have signed this or that guy after the fact. You also have to consider who they would have replaced. It's not always as easy as "we should have taken this guy because so and so on our team sucks". You can't recruit six guys a year and you can't have four centers on the team at once.

Edit: Sorry to those who have read this same argument from me many, many times.

 

[Roland Brooks]

Unless Tubby gets to the Sweet 16 he is gone. There is and has been an obvious disconnect between coach and players.

The dramatic swing in play from year to year shows something aint right. A lot of reg flags.

 

[Scoreboard]

Mediocre under Orlando in his six years is: three NCAA tourneys, two NIT's, one a Championship game, and a court full of fans celebrating a defeat of the number one team in the country. REALLY, yes really. He did all this with a team pasted together from injuries, illnesses, and ........ Tubby has done better at The U then any coach who hasn't cheated. Minnesotans have been nice, continue that and ignore the Goo Holes. Enjoy the journey, my wife would have.

 

[dpodoll68]

It is the opinion of many on this board that you can't have expectations. If you do have expectations you get a history lesson as to why those expectations are unreasonable.

"Many"? Name one.

 

[upnorthkid]

well after this debacle today and abysmal coaching down the stretch, i don't see any way tubby sticks around unless we get to the sweet 16. if he does stick around without that then this is just pathetic.

 

[dpodoll68]

well after this debacle today and abysmal coaching down the stretch, i don't see any way tubby sticks around unless we get to the sweet 16. if he does stick around without that then this is just pathetic.

Fire a coach after he gets the Gophers their first Tournament win in 23 years. Brilliant logic.

 

[beatles]

I love this program but I want us to lose in the first round so there is no way Teague can justify keeping Tubby. Some here will think I'm being a bad fan for hoping for a loss but it will be better for the prgram long term.

 

[Winnipegopher]

Fire a coach after he gets the Gophers their first Tournament win in 23 years. Brilliant logic.

It is a little deeper than that. Teague has a tough decision. Fact of the matter is Tubby is 63, could likely have a lousy season next year, has no assistant coach remotely close to taking over, and the best local recruiting class ever in 2014.

My guess is Teague wants to make his mark and Tubby is gone unless they make a pretty good run in the tournament. I kind of tihnk Tubby is ok with that. He seems very tired and frustrated.

People will talk about the money but Tubby has been a BCS Head coach for 15 or so years, he has more than enough money to retire, full buy-out or partial buy-out or whatever.

 

[stocker08]

I love this program but I want us to lose in the first round so there is no way Teague can justify keeping Tubby. Some here will think I'm being a bad fan for hoping for a loss but it will be better for the prgram long term.

Yes, that would make you a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ty fan, not just a bad fan.

 

[beatles]

Yes, that would make you a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ty fan, not just a bad fan.

Lick me. I want whats best for this program long term. Tubby staying here is not whats best. It's that simple.

 

[upnorthkid]

Fire a coach after he gets the Gophers their first Tournament win in 23 years. Brilliant logic.

with the most talented roster we've seen in how long? with a team that was #8 at one point? with a team that tanked down the stretch? ya that'd be sooooo outlandish. simply it seems like the game has passed tubby by. the program needs some energy influx and tubby doesn't seem like he can do that. he seems as though he gets uptight and the kids follow suit. if he wins a first round game against some mid major, do you think that's gonna resonate with the recruits or kids already in the program or with the fan base? most likely not. we need a change and unless tubby can show he has what it takes, i see no problem with teague firing him.

 

[GophersInIowa]

I love this program but I want us to lose in the first round so there is no way Teague can justify keeping Tubby. Some here will think I'm being a bad fan for hoping for a loss but it will be better for the prgram long term.

How do you know this though? What if we hire a new coach next year and don't make the tourney for another five or six years? I want Tubby gone as much as the next person but I'm still going to try and enjoy a few tourney games if they happen.

 

[Gopherpride13]

Yes, that would make you a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ty fan, not just a bad fan.

Honestly I think people like you (so called "fan") hurt the program more than realistic fans who also focus on whats best for the program in the short and long run. Your a homer with no rational behind your logic of being a "fan". Maybe you are part of the gopher stigma problem.

 

[scher215]

Honestly I think people like you (so called "fan") hurt the program more than realistic fans who also focus on whats best for the program in the short and long run. Your a homer with no rational behind your logic of being a "fan". Maybe you are part of the gopher stigma problem.

So as a realistic fan what decisions have you made within the program to make it better? I'm curious what great accomplishments we can credit to your realistic viewpoint and sound decision making as to what is best for the program? How has your not supporting the team helped them win?

 

[GophersInIowa]

Honestly I think people like you (so called "fan") hurt the program more than realistic fans who also focus on whats best for the program in the short and long run. Your a homer with no rational behind your logic of being a "fan". Maybe you are part of the gopher stigma problem.

So if everyone here would cheer against the Gophers to not make the tourney, then that would help us as a program? People say these things all the time and I've yet to hear one good argument about how people's opinion on a message board will change the success of the program.

 

[lakesgopher]

I love this program but I want us to lose in the first round so there is no way Teague can justify keeping Tubby. Some here will think I'm being a bad fan for hoping for a loss but it will be better for the prgram long term.

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. How can you be a fan of a program while hoping they lose? The U has a history of hiring bad coaches so I'm not sure how you can be so confident that we get someone better?

 

[dpodoll68]

with the most talented roster we've seen in how long? with a team that was #8 at one point? with a team that tanked down the stretch? ya that'd be sooooo outlandish. simply it seems like the game has passed tubby by. the program needs some energy influx and tubby doesn't seem like he can do that. he seems as though he gets uptight and the kids follow suit. if he wins a first round game against some mid major, do you think that's gonna resonate with the recruits or kids already in the program or with the fan base? most likely not. we need a change and unless tubby can show he has what it takes, i see no problem with teague firing him.

So Tubby gets zero credit for assembling "the most talented roster we've seen in how long", and yet he receives 100% of the blame for mildly underachieving with this rock-star roster? Makes perfect sense.

You can spin it any way you want, but the fact is that a hypothetical 2nd round loss would be the most successful Gopher men's basketball season in 23 years. I challenge you to find a non-cheating, non-law-breaking coach (in any sport, really) who was fired immediately coming off his school's most successful season in 23 years.

 

[howeda7]

Lick me. I want whats best for this program long term. Tubby staying here is not whats best. It's that simple.

If the result of one game makes the AD's decision for him, you have a crappy AD and he won't make a good hire anyway. We've all seen it happen here before.