Earlier on in this thread someone stated that Kundla went .500 in conf more often that not, same with Musselman, same with Dutch, same with Clem.
Need I remind that poster, and maybe everyone else, that Musselman and Clem CHEATED!!!!
That leaves us with Kundla and Dutch.
Kundla was coaching the Gophers before I was born, I'm 45 years old. Honestly? Is his coaching record really relevant to anything going on today?!
And Dutch's boys got falsely accused of rape. Sure, they were cleared of the charges, but still, what kind of players was he recruiting that they'd get themselves into a spot where they could be falsely accused of something like this?!
Minnesota's history is this, we lost out on Wooden, and ended up with Kundla, who did well, but not excellent. Did he care?! He had 5 Pro BB titles under his belt, maybe he was on cruise control while coaching here? But like I said, that's pretty ancient history, hardly relevant, especially in light of this little fact,
Since Kundla,
EVERY SINGLE COACH prior to Tubby, was stained by controversy, scandal and/or CHEATING of some form.
Under Musselman, we suffered a national embarrassment. The entire nation thought very little of us after the big melee on the court in the OSU game.
Under his replacement, Dutcher, who was stained with sanctions from the Musselman period, and stained from a minor violation during his own period which canceled out an entire season, possibly our best ever, came the Rape scandal.
Enter the BIGGEST ACADEMIC CHEATER IN NCAA HISTORY, or at least that we know of because he was dumb enough to get caught. Yeah, so what if Clem had some successful seasons, he left the program in shambles.
Next up was Monson, who some here think was a great hire, because of Gonzaga's E8 run?! Many out there believed that Monson's assistant who took over at Gonzaga was the real brain of that program, and history has bore that out for the most part since then.
And yes, Monson was stained with scandal, being the coach that had to suffer through sanctions.
And Monson's final 3 seasons, which were POST-scandal or mostly so, were his worst 3. Monson's teams GOT WORSE as time went on.
Finally, Tubby comes in, from a semi-successful stint at Kentucky. I say semi-successful because many claim that he was only able to win with his prior coaches players, and UK fans were not happy with his results from that season on. Some here have made it out that we stole Tubby from UK, but we all know that UK was on the verge of firing him. It would be akin to USC coming in and hiring Tubby this spring after we flame out in the 1st round of the NCAA tourney. Should USC be credited with STEALING Tubby from us?! lol
So we got a guy whose reputation was waning. He's getting older.
Had the 2010 team not suffered any injuries, and gone on to a stellar season, maybe Tubby would have had his spirit revived.
But no, instead the 2010 team suffered season ruining type calamities.
The Gopher's have been plagued with similar obstacles ever since.
We finally catch a break and get Trev back for a 6th year.
This was thought by many to be THE YEAR!!!!
But, seriously. Tubby's teams have gotten better progressively since he got here. His worst year was his first, and we all understand about that, he inherited a mess.
His best season so far is THIS YEAR.
So the beef is that we are not progressing FAST ENOUGH, right?!
Since we ARE progressing forward.
First coach in 40-50 years to win without cheating or controversy.
And we want to fire him, and fast!!!!
What a loser, how could he not instantly turn us into a Top 5 Big Ten program?!
Ummm?! SEVEN Big Ten teams have won multiple Big Ten titles or gone to multiple FFs in the 20 years, years where Minnesota was cheating, getting caught, getting hammered by the NCAA, etc..
The Big Ten was getting better, deeper, with almost EVERY program upgrading their coaching staffs, significantly.
OSU, Indiana, MSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan and Purdue are ESTABLISHED POWERS in the best conference top to bottom in the nation.
A school with some of the worst facilities in the Big Ten, some of the worst shows of support from the administration throughout conf history, and also from fans, and NO, we do not have a reputation as having a great college party atmosphere, just getting past sanctions, and with little to no history whatsoever in most of our lifetimes that didn't involve cheating, SHOULD NOT do nothing more than hiring a good coach, not a great, but only a good coach, an aging coach, and then EXPECT THE MOON!!!!!!!
All of that in the preceeding paragraph is not even taking into consideration the plague of injuries that we've suffered through the past couple of years.
Some could argue its amazing Tubby's gotten us to 2 NCAA tourney's, an NIT Final, and into the Top 15 of the RPI and on our way to our 3rd NCAA tourney in 6 years.
He's made us consistently competitive in each of this last 5 seasons.
Honestly, put up REALISTICALLY against all the modern day Gopher bb coaches of the past, minus all of their CHEATING YEARS/scandal years, and
Tubby's arguably done a lot with this program seeing as he hasn't been caught cheating or been involved in a scandal yet.
All this being said, I'm still not a big Tubby fan, I'm just NOT a fan of people who like to distort reality.
I think Minnesota's BIGGEST selling point right now, to future prospective coaches and players, is our lack of history, our lack of past success.
The coach that does come to Minnesota and gets us to the FF, will be considered the Greatest Thing since sliced bread. And the players that come here and get us to the FF, will be seen as heroes for all time.
Pure MIRACLE WORKERS.
Because our facilities suck, our history sucks, our administrative support sucks, our fan base level of support sucks, our college atmosphere sucks, our weather sucks!
See, I know I'm a TRUE Gopher fan, because I love Minnesota DESPITE all of that. We can't change the weather or the fact we are located in a major metro, and we'll always be a state full of bandwagon fans, just too many options and pro sports teams. Will never change. But we CAN change things like how much the Admin supports the bb program, which would result in improved facilities, which might help improve the level of talent the next coach can bring in, and increased Admin support would help bring in a top notch coach, all of which could improve our recent history, which is the most important, which could slowly change and improve the level of fan support in the state.
Our history means our expectations should not be as high as they are. Does that mean no one can win at Minnesota?! Absolutely NOT!!!!!!
ONE miracle, could get us winning.
Or a huge increase of investment in the program. Increase in money, increase in time, increase in effort.
The miracle could occur tomorrow night. Or never.
The increase of investment could start anytime.
