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in her Q&A series, Amelia predicts NCAA tournament win or coaching search:

Is it time for me to accept the fact that Tubby is a very mediocre coach, not the elite coach he was billed as? Or do I need to be content with a sub-par team every year?
Jim

What do you want, Jim? Wins? Tournament berths? Respectable Februarys?

In all seriousness, I don’t think you need to accept either. Smith obviously didn’t get into his position by accident, by not knowing what he’s doing, and anyone that thinks that is kidding themselves.

But at the same time, the U administration understands that fans are frustrated right now, and understandably so, considering Smith is in his sixth season and has so far only made the NCAA tournament twice, each time bowing out in the first round. Not exactly what the Gophers were hoping for with that hire.

Athletic Director Norwood Teague has said he won’t make any judgments on Smith until the season is wrapped up, and I think that makes sense. But when this year is all said and done, I think you will EITHER have an NCAA tournament win or a new coaching search on your hands.

So to succinctly answer your question, Jim – I don’t think you need to accept either.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/191036081.html

Go Gophers!!
 

BleedGopher said:
in her Q&A series, Amelia predicts NCAA tournament win or coaching search:

Is it time for me to accept the fact that Tubby is a very mediocre coach, not the elite coach he was billed as? Or do I need to be content with a sub-par team every year?
Jim

What do you want, Jim? Wins? Tournament berths? Respectable Februarys?

In all seriousness, I don’t think you need to accept either. Smith obviously didn’t get into his position by accident, by not knowing what he’s doing, and anyone that thinks that is kidding themselves.

But at the same time, the U administration understands that fans are frustrated right now, and understandably so, considering Smith is in his sixth season and has so far only made the NCAA tournament twice, each time bowing out in the first round. Not exactly what the Gophers were hoping for with that hire.

Athletic Director Norwood Teague has said he won’t make any judgments on Smith until the season is wrapped up, and I think that makes sense. But when this year is all said and done, I think you will EITHER have an NCAA tournament win or a new coaching search on your hands.

So to succinctly answer your question, Jim – I don’t think you need to accept either.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/191036081.html

Go Gophers!!
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I love how he's not afraid to draw a line in the sand and put the pressure on Tubby....Maturi never had the balls to do this.
 

I think it is more likely it ends up somewhere in between.
 


Moses87 said:
I love how he's not afraid to draw a line in the sand and put the pressure on Tubby....Maturi never had the balls to do this.
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Yes, Amelia sure drew a line in the sand. Myron never had the balls to do that.
 


Moses87 said:
I love how he's not afraid to draw a line in the sand and put the pressure on Tubby....Maturi never had the balls to do this.
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you do realize that Norwood has nothing to do with this, it is merely a reporters opinion
 



I think Moses may have stumbled over a Flaming Blue Jesus.

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Go4 said:
you do realize that Norwood has nothing to do with this, it is merely a reporters opinion
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I wonder if Norwood understands that MN has not been relevant in BB throughout history.

No need to have higher expectations, after all MN cant do it.

Norwood should talk with Dpdoll so he could understand history and its relvance to the future performance of the mens BB team at MN.
 

BarnBurner said:
I wonder if Norwood understands that MN has not been relevant in BB throughout history.

No need to have higher expectations, after all MN cant do it.

Norwood should talk with Dpdoll so he could understand history and its relvance to the future performance of the mens BB team at MN.
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I think you love arguing with him. Otherwise you wouldn't keep bringing it up.
 

BarnBurner said:
I wonder if Norwood understands that MN has not been relevant in BB throughout history.

No need to have higher expectations, after all MN cant do it.

Norwood should talk with Dpdoll so he could understand history and its relvance to the future performance of the mens BB team at MN.
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Kundla was above 500 in Big Ten play 7 of 9 seasons.
Mussleman 3 of 4.
It started to drop off a bit with Dutcher but about 1 of every 3.
Clem was about the same as Dutcher.

The number of division 1 players being developed in Minnesota in the last ten years is at an all time high, top five finishes can and should be achievable.
 






Basing Tubby's future on a single game would seem silly, unless it causes a massive shift in the fan base's desires/demands.

Nonetheless, a question for dpodoll68 - I'd have to track down the post, but you may recall. I believe* you said before the season that if the Gophers didn't finish the Big Ten in 5th place or better this season, you would be in favor of firing Coach Smith.

Do you recall this? Does it stand?
 


Gopher Warrior said:
Basing Tubby's future on a single game would seem silly, unless it causes a massive shift in the fan base's desires/demands.

Nonetheless, a question for dpodoll68 - I'd have to track down the post, but you may recall. I believe* you said before the season that if the Gophers didn't finish the Big Ten in 5th place or better this season, you would be in favor of firing Coach Smith.

Do you recall this? Does it stand?
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I don't recall saying that, but you could possibly be right. I recall predicting that the Gophers would finish in the 4-6 range, but I don't recall having any particular finish as a barometer for continued employment. If I did, that would be out of character for me as I place much more emphasis on making the Tournament regardless of conference standing than I do on the actual conference standing. I have said (and will state again now) that Tubby cannot absolutely not keep his job if the Gophers do not make the Tournament.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Basing Tubby's future on a single game would seem silly, unless it causes a massive shift in the fan base's desires/demands.

Nonetheless, a question for dpodoll68 - I'd have to track down the post, but you may recall. I believe* you said before the season that if the Gophers didn't finish the Big Ten in 5th place or better this season, you would be in favor of firing Coach Smith.

Do you recall this? Does it stand?
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In some artificial way, it always ends with the ONE game. It's obviously artificial because lets say that we lose to WI and then go onto get into the NCAA and make it to the Elite 8, Tubby isn't getting fired. But the ends of all things, usually comes to a point (coaching tenures, relationships, etc).

It reminds me of a really off topic convo I was having with a friend of mine about people who become bed ridden through obesity. There had to be that one singular moment when they said "F it, I'm not getting up today" and then they never got up.
 

BarnBurner said:
I think you have the same philosophy he does. MN cant win.

I beleive you both are incorrect.
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I never took dpod's position as we can't win (I got that from a few other posters though). I took his position as fans shouldn't expect us to win.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Why do you insist on completely mischaracterizing my philosophy?
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MN hasnt won much historically therefore fans should not have expectations of winning much. Not even this year with the experience and upper classmen.

That is your philosophy.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
In some artificial way, it always ends with the ONE game. It's obviously artificial because lets say that we lose to WI and then go onto get into the NCAA and make it to the Elite 8, Tubby isn't getting fired. But the ends of all things, usually comes to a point (coaching tenures, relationships, etc).

It reminds me of a really off topic convo I was having with a friend of mine about people who become bed ridden through obesity. There had to be that one singular moment when they said "F it, I'm not getting up today" and then they never got up.
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The straw that broke the camels back?
 

BarnBurner said:
MN hasnt won much historically therefore fans should not have expectations of winning much. Not even this year with the experience and upper classmen.

That is your philosophy.
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Correct. That is not even remotely approximating "MN can't win". So why do you lie and insist that is my philosophy, when you've proven you can precisely articulate my actual philosophy, as you've done with this post? It's very easy to win a debate when you make up the other person's position for them.
 

BarnBurner said:
MN hasnt won much historically therefore fans should not have expectations of winning much. Not even this year with the experience and upper classmen.

That is your philosophy.
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So why do you have higher expectations for Tubby Smith? Because he has won ... Historically?
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
In some artificial way, it always ends with the ONE game. It's obviously artificial because lets say that we lose to WI and then go onto get into the NCAA and make it to the Elite 8, Tubby isn't getting fired. But the ends of all things, usually comes to a point (coaching tenures, relationships, etc).

It reminds me of a really off topic convo I was having with a friend of mine about people who become bed ridden through obesity. There had to be that one singular moment when they said "F it, I'm not getting up today" and then they never got up.
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"F it, I'm not getting up today." Reminds me of the guy who went to his doctor complaining that he had a b.m. every morning at 6:30. Doctor told him that was good news to be so regular. The guy said, "Ya, dat could be, Doc, but I don't get outta bed till 7."
 

dpodoll68 said:
Correct. That is not even remotely approximating "MN can't win". So why do you lie and insist that is my philosophy, when you've proven you can precisely articulate my actual philosophy, as you've done with this post? It's very easy to win a debate when you make up the other person's position for them.
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No lie. You have said over and over MN cant win this year, even with all the experience, since they have not won in the past.

Twist away.
 


A good coach = Wins in NCAA Tournament. Hence Haskins.
 

BarnBurner said:
He is paid to win and win big. He cant seem to win and win big.
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So why do you have higher standards for Tubby than Monson? Why couldn't Monson win as you expect Tubby to? Because he historically hadn't won like Tubby? (And before you say his salary, let me point out his salary is based on historic achievements - it's why LeBron James gets paid more than a second round pick rookie)

I agree Tubby should have higher standards, but this is because I have seen what he has done historically. Either way, past success plays a role in the expectation of future success.

It is why you'd have a different expectation if we hired a janitor to coach the team for $100 or Coach K to coach the team for $100. You have higher expectations for K because he has proven he is capable of winning at a high level. Historically.
 

scher215 said:
So why do you have higher standards for Tubby than Monson? Why couldn't Monson win as you expect Tubby to? Because he historically hadn't won like Tubby? (And before you say his salary, let me point out his salary is based on historic achievements - it's why LeBron James gets paid more than a second round pick rookie)

I agree Tubby should have higher standards, but this is because I have seen what he has done historically. Either way, past success plays a role in the expectation of future success.

It is why you'd have a different expectation if we hired a janitor to coach the team for $100 or Coach K to coach the team for $100. You have higher expectations for K because he has proven he is capable of winning at a high level. Historically.
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Scher- Monson was doomed when he got here. 3 years of probation which cost him lots of evaluation time and something like 6 scholarships. Then Pryz walks off because Monson changed the standards (as he was ordered to) and made them go to class. Three years in the fans are already sharpening their knives and he hasn't had a full squad of recruits yet.
Tubby was selected and well paid to change that. While he had to rebuild from some losing squads he didn't face any scandal or negativity. I think most of us feel that this was a job that Tubby could win at if his heart was in it. It doesn't appear that it is.
 

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