Amelia on Gophers chances of getting Buzz: "I'm not ruling it out."

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Iceland12 said:
If Williams never gets an offer or meets with Norwood who's going to be bothered by the article? If they meet and Williams is hired that's a success. If they meet and he turns Teague down then by definition how could it be anything but a failure?

This whole thing is getting pretty amusing. Maturi constantly was criticized for talking about what was going on. It lead to irritation, frustration and rumors. Norwood doesn't say a damn thing officially, who knows what he may be leaking, but he's said nothing publicly about the search. That seems to have limited the irritation and frustration level for the public and fans if not for the Media "jackals" themselves.

Now as for the silence limiting the rumors.... :cool03:
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No, I enjoy the article and liked the insights. My comment was that if/when Buzz is determined to be not a possibility, some fans or people will think that it makes it a failure. That is just how the process has been so far, despite the fact that Amelia was extremely clear about how unlikely it is.
 

As a Marquette fan I hate reading something like that. I don't want to see Buzz go because I'm a big fan, but if he is going to leave regardless, I'd prefer it be for another team that I cheer for. So I'd be pretty happy if he wanted to come to Minnesota.
 

diehard said:
Do you suppose any of the prospective hires are checking with Tubby? Do you think Tubby has any cred with other coaches? What kind of recommendation do you think Tubby is giving the U?

Do you think the Shaka had a relationship with Teague and Ellis? If so, how could he have not jumped at the job? There are unanswered questions.
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What kind of recommendation do you think Tubby's giving out? No matter how much integrity he has, probably not overflowing with positive vibes for the UofM. How would you feel? :cool02:
 

Dr.Don said:
You are right, beej. Several stars will haffta allign for this to happen, therefore I am sticking with A Shocker of an announcement after the Dance ends.
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What does the U have to offer that would be attractive to "Shocker?" Certainly not a return trip any time soon. After 20 of indifference, this just isn't a grade A program! Could it be, yes, but regardless of NIT trips past, it just isn't right now. But for conference membership, this would be considered a mid-major.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
It's not factually impossible but it's not much less likely than landing Coach K.

Buzz Williams makes a ton of money, he has an amazing team coming back next year (pretty much everyone and a GREAT recruiting class), and Marquette is a better job than the U right now. It's about as unlikely as almost every big name coach in the country.

The Teague/Ellis connection with coaches angle is played out a bit. One of my better friends is my former boss and I don't really care for my current boss, however, it would be a demotion to go back and work for him. So even if Buzz hates the administration at Marq., it would be a GIGANTIC shock if Buzz considered MN.
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But it wouldn't be a demotion. Especially if the U could match the overall compensation. It would be exactly like what I did 19 years ago when I went from a comfortable situation as an A-team performer with an established firm to a relatively uncomfortable situation in more of a start-up situation. Why? First and foremost for the challenge. This other firm had tried several times in the past to make a go in this sector of the industry without success. If I could go in and help them make it finally happen, it would be a great accomplishment, and it would establish who I was and where I stood in the profession in a way that never would have been possible if I had stayed in the comfort of my previous gig.

That's how I look at this situation, and that's why it would not knock me over if Buzz (or any accomplished talent) took the U up on this opportunity.
 


howeda7 said:
It seems unlikely. However, the new Big East will be <<< the B1G, and he apparently doesn't love his boss. Amelia has insinuated that she knows things she can't say and she's brought this up a couple times now. Maybe there's something to it.
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Conference doesn't matter much in basketball, at least as not as much as football. Everyone has a shot at a title, not so much in football. You have to be from one of the top conferences to have a shot. Everyone in basketball has an opportunity because they can play their way in regardless od record.
 

Bad Gopher said:
But it wouldn't be a demotion. Especially if the U could match the overall compensation. It would be exactly like what I did 19 years ago when I went from a comfortable situation as an A-team performer with an established firm to a relatively uncomfortable situation in more of a start-up situation. Why? First and foremost for the challenge. This other firm had tried several times in the past to make a go in this sector of the industry without success. If I could go in and help them make it finally happen, it would be a great accomplishment, and it would establish who I was and where I stood in the profession in a way that never would have been possible if I had stayed in the comfort of my previous gig.

That's how I look at this situation, and that's why it would not knock me over if Buzz (or any accomplished talent) took the U up on this opportunity.
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The f***ed reality is that yes, Marquette -> Minnesota would not be a lateral move for a coach, especially one of Buzz's quality.
 

SJUgopher said:
Conference doesn't matter much in basketball, at least as not as much as football. Everyone has a shot at a title, not so much in football. You have to be from one of the top conferences to have a shot. Everyone in basketball has an opportunity because they can play their way in regardless od record.
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Agree, except the larger the conference the more teams that get into the tournament, it also helps with strength of schedule. The competition amongst coaches in the B1G is another attraction. Being able to compete against Izzo, Motta, Ryan, Beilein, Crean, etc is a plus for most coaching candidates. Also, the B1G is one of the most stable conferences out there.
 

minny01 said:
It is your opinion that he is unqualified. In the opinion of many others, he is very qualified.
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You like the way he's broken down film for the Washington Wizards? A big fan of their pregame preparation?

Of course it's my opinion that he's unqualified. If Tubby hired an assistant coach with the kind and amount of experience of Ryan Saunders people would be LIVID. I mean, we get three assistant coaches (they are essentially like coordinators in football), so I'd love to see how people would have reacted to Jerry Kill hiring Jerry Kill Jr. (with no experience) and let him run offensive line. People would hate it.

However, my opinion (and everyone else's opinion who looks at it logically) doesn't matter. I, at least, have respect for the opinion that "Flip is such a need that I'd take him and his unqualified son", however, arguing Ryan is qualified for an assistant coaching position in the Big 10 is laughable, and everyone knows it.

The fact is that Teague must think Ryan is unqualified. It's an easy logical conclusion to draw. The guy has no experience in player development and no experience in recruiting for a position for a Big 10 team that will require player development and recruiting. Regardless, if Teague said that he wants the assistant coaches to have relevant coaching experience, you can't blame him. You can't say a guy bungled a hiring for demanding that simple qualification for the assistant coaches.
 



Wouldn't You like to Know said:
Agree, except the larger the conference the more teams that get into the tournament, it also helps with strength of schedule. The competition amongst coaches in the B1G is another attraction. Being able to compete against Izzo, Motta, Ryan, Beilein, Crean, etc is a plus for most coaching candidates. Also, the B1G is one of the most stable conferences out there.
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The tough thing is that Marquette is good enough that they will be in a good situation in basketball regardless of how it all shakes out. Marquette made an Elite 8 run this season and they should have a better team next year. Big East or not, they'll be a premier program.
 

Wouldn't You like to Know said:
Agree, except the larger the conference the more teams that get into the tournament, it also helps with strength of schedule. The competition amongst coaches in the B1G is another attraction. Being able to compete against Izzo, Motta, Ryan, Beilein, Crean, etc is a plus for most coaching candidates. Also, the B1G is one of the most stable conferences out there.
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Right. But take Memphis for example. Easy conference, virtual lock to make the tourney, and you can recruit in your backyard especially since Arkansas has fallen off. Pastner would be crazy to leave that gig.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
One of my better friends is my former boss and I don't really care for my current boss, however, it would be a demotion to go back and work for him. So even if Buzz hates the administration at Marq., it would be a GIGANTIC shock if Buzz considered MN.
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The boss you know vs the boss you don't know. Though sometimes phrased 'differently'.

I too would be surprised to see him come but WTH why not get one more rejection? We have a collection of NO's from some pretty good coaches - lets go for the record!
 

SJUgopher said:
Right. But take Memphis for example. Easy conference, virtual lock to make the tourney, and you can recruit in your backyard especially since Arkansas has fallen off. Pastner would be crazy to leave that gig.
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Wonder how they'll fare in their new conference?
 




lugnard said:
The boss you know vs the boss you don't know. Though sometimes phrased 'differently'.

I too would be surprised to see him come but WTH why not get one more rejection? We have a collection of NO's from some pretty good coaches - lets go for the record!
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Oh yeah. I have no problem with Teague offering the position to Buzz Williams. I like the idea of taking big swings at for the coaching vacancy. Getting rejection means absolutely nothing when the rejections are from people who are complete shots in the dark. It's the funniest thing about this coaching search are the people that get upset and think it's a disaster when Shaka and Brad Stevens turn us down. If we gave them a shot. . .good. If we missed on them, well, yeah, what do you expect?

I hope we are contacting Buzz, I just think there is virtually no chance he even considers it.
 

SJUgopher said:
Right. But take Memphis for example. Easy conference, virtual lock to make the tourney, and you can recruit in your backyard especially since Arkansas has fallen off. Pastner would be crazy to leave that gig.
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If you are a possible coach that is comfortable in the current situation than they will not leave. However, as Amelia points out Buzz may not be and if he wants a challenge and to make a move Minnesota makes sense. There are only a few opportunities to get into the B1G and when they come along I think any potential candidate would be stupid to not take a look. We are not Penn State, Northwestern, Purdue, Iowa, or Nebraska. We're Minnesota!!!! This is not a BAD job nor do we have BAD players. The state as a whole has good talent in the HS ranks every year (much better than the FB side) and 2014 is just ridiculous. We can pay the big bucks, we have large donors, we are in a great television market, and this state is a great place to live and raise a family, a dedicated fan base, unique historic arena, and the list goes on and on.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Oh yeah. I have no problem with Teague offering the position to Buzz Williams. I like the idea of taking big swings at for the coaching vacancy. Getting rejection means absolutely nothing when the rejections are from people who are complete shots in the dark. It's the funniest thing about this coaching search are the people that get upset and think it's a disaster when Shaka and Brad Stevens turn us down. If we gave them a shot. . .good. If we missed on them, well, yeah, what do you expect?

I hope we are contacting Buzz, I just think there is virtually no chance he even considers it.
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Me too.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Oh yeah. I have no problem with Teague offering the position to Buzz Williams. I like the idea of taking big swings at for the coaching vacancy. Getting rejection means absolutely nothing when the rejections are from people who are complete shots in the dark. It's the funniest thing about this coaching search are the people that get upset and think it's a disaster when Shaka and Brad Stevens turn us down. If we gave them a shot. . .good. If we missed on them, well, yeah, what do you expect?

I hope we are contacting Buzz, I just think there is virtually no chance he even considers it.
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Bob - on this point, I completely agree with you. Buzz would give us the head coach who could assist in raising the funds for the practice facility, an instant name who boosters could get behind. If he turns us down, I would hope that Teague will, or has, contacted Miles at Nebraska. Do this even though there is virtually no chance of him taking it, just in case this is that one time that he does.
 

minny01 said:
Bob - on this point, I completely agree with you. Buzz would give us the head coach who could assist in raising the funds for the practice facility, an instant name who boosters could get behind. If he turns us down, I would hope that Teague will, or has, contacted Miles at Nebraska. Do this even though there is virtually no chance of him taking it, just in case this is that one time that he does.
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I don't think approaching other conference head coaches is considered very acceptable in the Big Ten. No written law against it but.....
 

SJUgopher said:
Conference doesn't matter much in basketball, at least as not as much as football. Everyone has a shot at a title, not so much in football. You have to be from one of the top conferences to have a shot. Everyone in basketball has an opportunity because they can play their way in regardless od record.
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It doesn't matter as much, but it still matters. The amount of $$ the new Catholic Big East is getting from ESPN is nowhere near what the B1G gets from BTN/ESPN/CBS. The overall amount of exposure is not the same either. But if we get Buzz, the primary reason will be that he'd rather work for NT than his current boss.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Oh yeah. I have no problem with Teague offering the position to Buzz Williams. I like the idea of taking big swings at for the coaching vacancy. Getting rejection means absolutely nothing when the rejections are from people who are complete shots in the dark. It's the funniest thing about this coaching search are the people that get upset and think it's a disaster when Shaka and Brad Stevens turn us down. If we gave them a shot. . .good. If we missed on them, well, yeah, what do you expect?

I hope we are contacting Buzz, I just think there is virtually no chance he even considers it.
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Right now they are taking a swing at the agent of every major college coach that can fog a mirror and whose son doesn't coach.
 

bga1 said:
I don't think approaching other conference head coaches is considered very acceptable in the Big Ten. No written law against it but.....
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You're right, not very good protocol at all. Bad example with Miles but you get the drift of the post. Swing for the fences but keep your local option open.
 

minny01 said:
You're right, not very good protocol at all. Bad example with Miles but you get the drift of the post. Swing for the fences but keep your local option open.
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100% correct. going after Tim Miles is not swinging for the fences.
 

bga1 said:
I don't think approaching other conference head coaches is considered very acceptable in the Big Ten. No written law against it but.....
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So we can't go after Bo Ryan then?
 

bga1 said:
Right now they are taking a swing at the agent of every major college coach that can fog a mirror and whose son doesn't coach FOR HIM.
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FIFY. Prolly includes wives too.
 

Wouldn't You like to Know said:
If you are a possible coach that is comfortable in the current situation than they will not leave. However, as Amelia points out Buzz may not be and if he wants a challenge and to make a move Minnesota makes sense. There are only a few opportunities to get into the B1G and when they come along I think any potential candidate would be stupid to not take a look. We are not Penn State, Northwestern, Purdue, Iowa, or Nebraska. We're Minnesota!!!! This is not a BAD job nor do we have BAD players. The state as a whole has good talent in the HS ranks every year (much better than the FB side) and 2014 is just ridiculous. We can pay the big bucks, we have large donors, we are in a great television market, and this state is a great place to live and raise a family, a dedicated fan base, unique historic arena, and the list goes on and on.
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+1
 

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: Why leave? Buzz Williams has it pretty good around here

At the moment there are no jobs that would rise to the level of the head-coaching position at Marquette. UCLA hired Steve Alford on Saturday. The Minnesota job offers an antiquated arena that hurts recruiting, no practice facility and less money than Williams makes at Marquette.

If Williams decided to take a job such as Minnesota's, it would be for reasons beyond the level of fiscal commitment he gets at Marquette.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/gold...retty-good-around-here-gq9c70g-200818391.html

Go Gophers!!
 

BleedGopher said:
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: Why leave? Buzz Williams has it pretty good around here

At the moment there are no jobs that would rise to the level of the head-coaching position at Marquette. UCLA hired Steve Alford on Saturday. The Minnesota job offers an antiquated arena that hurts recruiting, no practice facility and less money than Williams makes at Marquette.

If Williams decided to take a job such as Minnesota's, it would be for reasons beyond the level of fiscal commitment he gets at Marquette.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/gold...retty-good-around-here-gq9c70g-200818391.html

Go Gophers!!
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Money won't be an issue, it wouldnt be less if for some reason we could land Buzz. I will admit that Buzz is way overpaid, although its all relative. I can see why the new AD is kind of like "WTF?" when they saw his salary. That said,it is what it is.... I would love to have Buzz as our coach, although not getting hopes up.
 



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