All Things P.J. Fleck Rumor Mill Thread - Listed as Candidate for Other Jobs

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The best argument for PJ (culture and academics aside) is that he has brought in the deepest, most skilled (across all positions groups) most athletic Gopher teams we have ever seen, all without big NIL or portal splashes. Also doing it with kids that genuinely like PJ and the program and stick around for 3-5 years.

We need to see what he can do with real NIL money and some big transfer portal wins.

Now, this argument goes both ways. He has done all that but his seeming inability to build an elite staff around him is odd, and we have to ask our selves if PJ can bring in this talent, other people can too, AND they can bring in better coordinators and coaches.
 


I’m really curious how many Gopher fans take “

All Things P.J. Fleck Rumor Mill Thread ” serious.​

IMO he’s not been a serious candidate to anyone outside of ucla..
I say he’s as good as we will get unless some huge NIL boost from local Corporations.
 
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Gopherchase said:
PJ’s salary and buyout both outperform his coaching performance without a doubt. His agent has played dipshit Coyle like a drum.
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That wasn’t my question

But he’s like 12th in the big ten in salary and will finish somewhere between a tie for 5th and a tie for 8th
 



Some guy said:
What job security has Coyle afforded him other than not firing him?

Isn’t it kind of a fired or not fired situation?
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There are zero programs gunning for him that would be a step up. There is no pressing need to a) guarantee 2/3 of his remaining contract or b) have a six year contract. Would he move to say, Purdue, if they offer him 70% or 80% of a seven year contract? Sure, I suppose he could but one would think he could go to Coyle at that point with written contract offer in hand and ask him to ante up. Maybe that’s already happened. I don’t know.

Looking ahead what if the players gain negotiating rights. All of a sudden paying impact players becomes the main priority and coaches are more of an afterthought, like in pro sports. Colleges will presumedly have a limited pot of money to keep their athletic departments afloat and paying average/mediocre coaches insane salaries will go away at that point.
 

Some guy said:
Is his buyout outside the norm of college football?
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What matters is Coyle's and U's comfort level in paying it. I would say based on the amount, it's definitely a deterrent, which creates the job security.
 




What is PJ’s buyout somewhere north of $20 million. PJ working for Coyle is the best job in America.
 

PMWinSTP said:
What matters is Coyle's and U's comfort level in paying it. I would say based on the amount, it's definitely a deterrent, which creates the job security.
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I agree but people are acting like he has some insane buyout. Does he? Or is it pretty much the norm?
 


Pompous Elitist said:
There are zero programs gunning for him that would be a step up. There is no pressing need to a) guarantee 2/3 of his remaining contract or b) have a six year contract. Would he move to say, Purdue, if they offer him 70% or 80% of a seven year contract? Sure, I suppose he could but one would think he could go to Coyle at that point with written contract offer in hand and ask him to ante up. Maybe that’s already happened. I don’t know.

Looking ahead what if the players gain negotiating rights. All of a sudden paying impact players becomes the main priority and coaches are more of an afterthought, like in pro sports. Colleges will presumedly have a limited pot of money to keep their athletic departments afloat and paying average/mediocre coaches insane salaries will go away at that point.
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So does he have some insane buyout that is outside the norm of college football?
Was my question.
 




Word said:
Average buyout is around $29 million for P4.
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So if someone was to claim he has a huge salary and huge buyout those would both be incorrect claims?

Since he is about average at both?
 


PMWinSTP said:
$23 million right now. That's more than enough for Coyle and the U to think hard.
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Yeah?
I would argue just moving coaches is probably something they should think hard about even if it was free

His job security is increased by his buyout that is pretty much the average of power 4 football coaches?
Okay you got me 😂

People are acting like he has some insane buyout
 

Some guy said:
Yeah?
I would argue just moving coaches is probably something they should think hard about even if it was free

His job security is increased by his buyout that is pretty much the average of power 4 football coaches?
Okay you got me 😂

People are acting like he has some insane buyout
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Whatever, you make it sound like chump change. It's still a big number. Wealthy alum aren't paying for it like other places. The athletic department basically breaks even so not like it's sitting around. It absolutely gives him job security here.
 

GopherEnEspaña said:
The best argument for PJ (culture and academics aside) is that he has brought in the deepest, most skilled (across all positions groups) most athletic Gopher teams we have ever seen, all without big NIL or portal splashes. Also doing it with kids that genuinely like PJ and the program and stick around for 3-5 years.

We need to see what he can do with real NIL money and some big transfer portal wins.

Now, this argument goes both ways. He has done all that but his seeming inability to build an elite staff around him is odd, and we have to ask our selves if PJ can bring in this talent, other people can too, AND they can bring in better coordinators and coaches.
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LOL. Not even remotely accurate.
 

PMWinSTP said:
Whatever, you make it sound like chump change. It's still a big number. Wealthy alum aren't paying for it like other places. The athletic department basically breaks even so not like it's sitting around. It absolutely gives him job security here.
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No I’m saying Coyle is giving fleck no more job security than most coaches get
 

Some guy said:
Pretty close.
If the team finishes 5-4 this year I’ll consider it a success even losing to UNC
If they had beaten UNC but lost to Wisconsin, it’s a failure to me

Not all wins are created equal.
Obviously a loss to a scrub could make you feel worse about 5-4

But if the gophers go in thinking 5-4 every year eventually they break into an7-2 and that’s a playoff berth
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Except they'll have had a bad loss OOC along with squeaking by in a guarantee
Catechol said:
Where did you get 12th? I see him at 9th according to https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/coach, so right in the middle. Thats about where the Gophers have averaged, middle of the pack.

Riley, Fickell and Smith of MSU were definitely overpaid.
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A better gauge would be salary as a percentage of FB budget. My guess is that Riley, Fickell and Smith are no more overpaid by that matric. Overall athletic budget might be a metric too. Fleck might cost the U more by comparison.
 

Some guy said:
So does he have some insane buyout that is outside the norm of college football?
Was my question.
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I believe it’s excessive. It doesn’t matter what anyone else is paying or contractually promising. What other viable options does he have right now?
 

swede2 said:
Except they'll have had a bad loss OOC along with squeaking by in a guarantee

A better gauge would be salary as a percentage of FB budget. My guess is that Riley, Fickell and Smith are no more overpaid by that matric. Overall athletic budget might be a metric too. Fleck might cost the U more by comparison.
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Maybe that’s a better measure of if they’re overpaid
I don’t think that’s a better measure of job security
 

Pompous Elitist said:
I believe it’s excessive. It doesn’t matter what anyone else is paying or contractually promising. What other viable options does he have right now?
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I believe probably every buyout for every college coach in the country is excessive

I think he probably has a lot of options if he wants them. They just would be at non big ten schools making less money than here.
 

FWIW, The Athletic's Bruce Feldman lists 10 prospective candidates for the UNC job and none of them are named PJ Fleck.
 

WindyCityGopher said:
FWIW, The Athletic's Bruce Feldman lists 10 prospective candidates for the UNC job and none of them are named PJ Fleck.
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That’s because Feldman hasn’t talked to flecks agent

I mean doogie


Which brings me to my next question:

Are doogie and Tony Liebert paid propagandists receiving checks from flecks agent?
 


Some guy said:
No I’m saying Coyle is giving fleck no more job security than most coaches get
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KOC has a 4 year deal. His colleague Mike McDaniel had a 2022 4 year deal recently extended to 2028. Fully guaranteed. Fine. Guaranteeing 2/3 of a 6 year contract is equivalent. The big difference: the Vikings reportedly had north of $540M in revenue last year and hundreds of millions in player payroll. The Gophers football team brings in probably a bit north of 1/10 of that number and the team and more accurately the athletic department has a huge number of “employees” ie players and staff. The caching salaries NFL and CFB are roughly in the same ballpark dollar-wise plus or minus a few million only because CFB had nothing else to do with the money in years past.

Going into the “pro” phase of college athletics the coaches are vastly overpaid as a percentage of revenues, in a department that will be drowning very soon. Paying cast off coach buyouts is a rounding error for NFL teams, burdensome to catastrophic for most CFB teams.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
KOC has a 4 year deal. His colleague Mike McDaniel had a 2022 4 year deal recently extended to 2028. Fully guaranteed. Fine. Guaranteeing 2/3 of a 6 year contract is equivalent. The big difference: the Vikings reportedly had north of $540M in revenue last year and hundreds of millions in player payroll. The Gophers football team brings in probably a bit north of 1/10 of that number and the team and more accurately the athletic department has a huge number of “employees” ie players and staff. The caching salaries NFL and CFB are roughly in the same ballpark dollar-wise plus or minus a few million only because CFB had nothing else to do with the money in years past.

Going into the “pro” phase of college athletics the coaches are vastly overpaid as a percentage of revenues, in a department that will be drowning very soon. Paying cast off coach buyouts is a rounding error for NFL teams, burdensome to catastrophic for most CFB teams.
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I don’t disagree with you it’s ridiculous
But it’s the whole sport not just gopher athletic dept
 

Time to increase the buyout!
 

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