All Things P.J. Fleck Rumor Mill Thread - Listed as Candidate for Other Jobs

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short ornery norwegian said:
this smells of "PJ's Agent starts a rumor about PJ going to North Carolina in hopes of getting Mark Coyle to tack on another year and a salary bump to PJ's contract in MN."

and given Coyle's lack of backbone, I could see that happening.
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Maybe it’s flecks agent or maybe it’s clickbait from local media

Unlike UCLA, I think North Carolina is a better job than MN


I would think UNC would have bigger name targets than fleck but then again their coach before Brown would’ve been a much smaller wow factor (Larry Fedora was their last hire )
 
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Some guy said:
Maybe it’s flecks agent or maybe it’s clickbait from local media

Unlike UCLA, I think North Carolina is a better job than MN


I would think UNC would have bigger name targets than fleck but then again their coach before Brown would’ve been a much smaller wow factor (Larry Fedora was their last hire )
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I think that's pretty debatable.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
If Doogie said it, its almost for sure not true.

Doogie and SON basically are the same. Make "statements" with no stance. "Dont be surprised if you possibly hear" or "well, one way to look at it is this. the other is this. it could be something else as well"
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The number of caveats in Doogie's statement is hilarious.
 

Jon Sumrall will probably be near the top of the list, and not that money is an option for them, but he’d be cheaper than PJ and won’t have the big buyout.
 
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FWIW - the Athletic is first up with a list of potential candidates: (no mention of Fleck)

Tulane HC Jon Sumrall
Liberty HC Jamey Chadwell
UNLV HC Barry Odom
Iowa State HC Matt Campbell
Marshall HC Charles Huff
Memphis HC Ryan Silverfield
James Madison HC Bob Chesney
Georgia DC Glenn Schumann
Notre Dame OC Mike Denbrock
Pittsburgh Steelers OC Arthur Smith (Smith is a former UNC lineman. his dad is founder of FedEx - could be a big donor to program....)
 

I'm not the Fleck hater I once was, but I struggle to understand how his name always seems to come up in these discussions. What has he accomplished to warrant him always being a hot candidate? I understand that we're consistently in bowl games and he runs a clean program, but is that really enough to garner this type of attention from mid to above average P4 programs every coaching carousal cycle?
 

StudentSectionMenace said:
I'm not the Fleck hater I once was, but I struggle to understand how his name always seems to come up in these discussions. What has he accomplished to warrant him always being a hot candidate? I understand that we're consistently in bowl games and he runs a clean program, but is that really enough to garner this type of attention from mid to above average P4 programs every coaching carousal cycle?
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His name gets tossed around but that doesn't mean he is a hot candidate or a serious contender. Hell, I think to this point the current rumor is being driven by Doogie saying he EXPECTS to see Fleck's name mentioned.

Job openings come up.....there are a handful of names that always get mentioned then the actual search process gets going and the real candidates are determined. No point in giving much thought to the rumors until there is actually something of substance behind them.
 



U2Gopher said:
Jon Sumrall will probably be near the top of the list, and not that money is an option for them, but he’d be cheaper than PJ and won’t have the big buyout.
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I'm thinking Sumrall is a bit too early in his career for a move to NC. He's just been a HC for three years total, 2 at Troy and 1 now at Tulane. He still has 5 years on his Tulane contract - no idea about the size of a buyout (as it's a private school so they don't have to release that info). Plus, he may be eyeing a return to KY. If they come calling, I think he's going to say yes.
 

StudentSectionMenace said:
I'm not the Fleck hater I once was, but I struggle to understand how his name always seems to come up in these discussions. What has he accomplished to warrant him always being a hot candidate? I understand that we're consistently in bowl games and he runs a clean program, but is that really enough to garner this type of attention from mid to above average P4 programs every coaching carousal cycle?
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I'm with others...I really don't think anyone thinks he's a hot candiddate, and probably not even a serious one. Agent fodder in many cases. UNC would have to pay him $2-3 million more than they were paying Brown, plus pay off his buyout.
 

StudentSectionMenace said:
I'm not the Fleck hater I once was, but I struggle to understand how his name always seems to come up in these discussions. What has he accomplished to warrant him always being a hot candidate? I understand that we're consistently in bowl games and he runs a clean program, but is that really enough to garner this type of attention from mid to above average P4 programs every coaching carousal cycle?
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I don't have data on this, but in my observation these programs seem to end up with coaches who are less accomplished than PJ, so that may explain why you see his name come up as a realistic upgrade. UNC, UCLA, etc. know they aren't going to get Kirby Smart or Steve Sarkisian.
 




StudentSectionMenace said:
I'm not the Fleck hater I once was, but I struggle to understand how his name always seems to come up in these discussions. What has he accomplished to warrant him always being a hot candidate? I understand that we're consistently in bowl games and he runs a clean program, but is that really enough to garner this type of attention from mid to above average P4 programs every coaching carousal cycle?
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People throw his name around from time to time, but has he ever actually been seriously considered as a top candidate by another team since he’s been here?
 

PMWinSTP said:
I think that's pretty debatable.
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North Carolina just as good as UCLA in recruiting area
Better fanbase
Better facilities
Better financial support for program
Similar win loss expectations

Only thing UCLA has is a better conference but by most accounts North Carolina is the top expansion target of both the SEC and top two of big ten (Notre dame).

Edit: I see I misread what you said. I could be convinced they are equal jobs (MN and UNC)
 
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btowngopher said:
People throw his name around from time to time, but has he ever actually been seriously considered as a top candidate by another team since he’s been here?
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Anyone who claims to have the answer to this doesn’t. He probably has been in conversations for jobs we haven’t heard about and he probably has been mentioned for jobs he never had any contact with. Reporters just make up stuff for clicks, and when I say that I mean they print rumors they heard with no inside sources to back it up.
 

PMWinSTP said:
I'm with others...I really don't think anyone thinks he's a hot candiddate, and probably not even a serious one. Agent fodder in many cases. UNC would have to pay him $2-3 million more than they were paying Brown, plus pay off his buyout.
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Yeah I wouldn’t think he would be a good get for UNC

Honestly I don’t see fleck moving: the only places that currently would say Fleck is the big wow hire are the same places that are so marginally better or even worse than MN that it wouldn’t make sense to go


Another 10+ win season and maybe a job clearly better than Mn wants him
 


UpAndUnder43 said:
If Doogie said it, its almost for sure not true.

Doogie and SON basically are the same. Make "statements" with no stance. "Dont be surprised if you possibly hear" or "well, one way to look at it is this. the other is this. it could be something else as well"
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I wouldn't be surprised if you possibly see that Doogie is potentially wrong.
 

btowngopher said:
UNC should be a much easier place to win than here. Much better recruiting ground. And easier conference as well.
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They also very likely have the alumni network and cache within the athletic department to really compete.

I just don't think landing PJ is enough to get UNC to get rid of Mack Brown.

I think UNC goes all in on the Tulane coach.
 

btowngopher said:
UNC should be a much easier place to win than here. Much better recruiting ground. And easier conference as well.
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UNC is an easier place to win because the ACC is now clearly in a tier below B1G and SEC. It would also be easier to win at South Dakota for the same reason.
 


Gopherchase said:
LOL. Don’t nobody has been and nobody will be anytime soon chasing PJ.
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Agree

99% of this is the local media trying to get clicks. Works every time.

In April doogie will complain that flecks agent tied him to UNC even though it was Doogie who first suggested it
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
They also very likely have the alumni network and cache within the athletic department to really compete.

I just don't think landing PJ is enough to get UNC to get rid of Mack Brown.

I think UNC goes all in on the Tulane coach.
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Not saying you’re wrong but I fail to understand why that guy would be a bigger hire than PJ.
 



MNVCGUY said:
His name gets tossed around but that doesn't mean he is a hot candidate or a serious contender. Hell, I think to this point the current rumor is being driven by Doogie saying he EXPECTS to see Fleck's name mentioned.

Job openings come up.....there are a handful of names that always get mentioned then the actual search process gets going and the real candidates are determined. No point in giving much thought to the rumors until there is actually something of substance behind them.
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PMWinSTP said:
I'm with others...I really don't think anyone thinks he's a hot candiddate, and probably not even a serious one. Agent fodder in many cases. UNC would have to pay him $2-3 million more than they were paying Brown, plus pay off his buyout.
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btowngopher said:
People throw his name around from time to time, but has he ever actually been seriously considered as a top candidate by another team since he’s been here?
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It's almost worse to me that it might never be that serious. I'm so tired of the same song and dance every year where the local media blows a lot of smoke about Fleck leaving for another school and Coyle feels forced to give Fleck another extension and increases his buyout again. I mean he always virtually un-fireable because of it and I don't think he's a good enough coach to have that level of job security. I'm still pretty young and didn't start seriously follow college football and the Gophers until 2017 so maybe this is how it always goes when you have an average to above-average coach, but for me this is definitely the worst part about college football.
 

Gophers1992 said:
Not saying you’re wrong but I fail to understand why that guy would be a bigger hire than PJ.
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Because PJ is 33-36 playing in the Big 10 East. Mack Brown is 67-57 in the ACC during his second stint with North Carolina while going to a bowl game every year. UNC likely made the move because they were tired of middling around in mediocrity. It's hard to believe they'd make that move and then hire PJ.

Personally, I think there is more to it than that and I think the "bust potential" on the up and coming coaches is often overlooked. However, there is an intriguing "what's behind door #2" when it comes down to choosing coaches.

IMO, if PJ gets a bigger job than the U it will be at program that is dying for some stability. UNC has stability, they want to make a splash (IMO). It's a weird carrousel of college coaching where average programs seems to chase their own tails in first being desperate for just getting to mediocrity and then growing tired of mediocrity.
 


StudentSectionMenace said:
I'm not the Fleck hater I once was, but I struggle to understand how his name always seems to come up in these discussions. What has he accomplished to warrant him always being a hot candidate?
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Nothing, and he’s not.
StudentSectionMenace said:
I understand that we're consistently in bowl games and he runs a clean program, but is that really enough to garner this type of attention from mid to above average P4 programs every coaching carousal cycle?
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No.

Fleck has a good agent. UNC can do better.
 

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