All Things Gophers Coaching Search Thread (rumors, tweets, tid-bits and more)

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bga1 said:
If so, that is a ton of money for the way they put their rosters together. Beyond Tonje, there is just no one that jumps out at you as a guy that would rake in a ton in the portal. They just have a bunch of good sound basketball players that play the right way and can shoot it.
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Yes and no. You are correct in that they won't have these 5* first guys off the board for $2m a season guys at Duke, AZ, Indiana etc but once that first wave goes, there would be more than plenty money to "overpay" those guys. Look at all the guys who enter and get paid from lower levels that end up not playing. UCLA paid up for William Kyle from SDSU, now he never sees the floor, you think they wouldn't pay a pretty penny for Winter or Gilmore?

It's like the NFL team that misses on the top tier QB so they pay Darnold $35m or Carr $40m because they have the money and don't want to left with nothing.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Give me the data that everyone needs to spend $5 million to win.
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I know you'll base your entire argument on the word "everyone." However, for the non petulant posters, it appears my supposition is light. The cluster of NIL budgets in this year's NCAA tournament is between $6M and $16M. Duke (of course) is an outlier with a budget in the 20's and there are a few schools as low as $2M. My $5M estimate for a really good Sweet Sixteen caliber roster is probably low.

www.sportico.com

Duke First, Florida Last Among No. 1 Seeds in Basketball Spending

Duke's $21.4 million men's basketball budget is the highest of the four No. 1 seeds in March Madness 2025 and the second-highest of all 68 teams.
www.sportico.com www.sportico.com
 



jamiche said:
I know you'll base your entire argument on the word "everyone." However, for the non petulant posters, it appears my supposition is light. The cluster of NIL budgets in this year's NCAA tournament is between $6M and $16M. Duke (of course) is an outlier with a budget in the 20's and there are a few schools as low as $2M. My $5M estimate for a really good Sweet Sixteen caliber roster is probably low.

www.sportico.com

Duke First, Florida Last Among No. 1 Seeds in Basketball Spending

Duke's $21.4 million men's basketball budget is the highest of the four No. 1 seeds in March Madness 2025 and the second-highest of all 68 teams.
www.sportico.com www.sportico.com
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Since when is NIL included in school budgets? It's not. This data is also 2 years old, because that's the newest data available. Minnesota's expenses for that year was $8.6M, so you're not comparing the right data or making the point you think you are. If you were, the Gophers were already $3.6M above the $5M threshold 2 years ago.

You also must have missed this paragraph right at the top.

Interestingly, financial prowess is not correlated with seed in the 2025 bracket, at least among single-digit seeds. The average men’s basketball budget of the four No. 1 seeds ($14 million) is barely higher than that of the No. 7 seeds ($13.2 million) or the No. 8 seeds ($13.5 million), for instance.
 




jamiche said:
I know you'll base your entire argument on the word "everyone." However, for the non petulant posters, it appears my supposition is light. The cluster of NIL budgets in this year's NCAA tournament is between $6M and $16M. Duke (of course) is an outlier with a budget in the 20's and there are a few schools as low as $2M. My $5M estimate for a really good Sweet Sixteen caliber roster is probably low.

www.sportico.com

Duke First, Florida Last Among No. 1 Seeds in Basketball Spending

Duke's $21.4 million men's basketball budget is the highest of the four No. 1 seeds in March Madness 2025 and the second-highest of all 68 teams.
www.sportico.com www.sportico.com
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LOL
These aren't NIL budgets.
These are the budgets for the basketball program. How much the school spent on coaches, travel, hotels, food, uniforms, band-aids etc etc etc.

Maybe tone down the smug, particularly when you're talking out your ass.
 

USAF said:
LOL
These aren't NIL budgets.
These are the budgets for the basketball program. How much the school spent on coaches, travel, hotels, food, uniforms, band-aids etc etc etc.

Maybe tone down the smug, particularly when you're talking out your ass.
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One thing I’ve learned in life is never talk out of your ass or people will think you’re full of shit.
 




MNVCGUY said:
That includes coaches pay, recruiting budget.....these numbers aren't what the teams are spending on players it is what they are spending on the basketball program as a whole.
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that makes more sense
thanks
 


MNVCGUY said:
That includes coaches pay, recruiting budget.....these numbers aren't what the teams are spending on players it is what they are spending on the basketball program as a whole.
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Anybody think the spending has gone down since the 22-23 season? It still corresponds to a $5M+ roster budget. And, yes, you have to have a good coach to go along with the talented roster.
 



jamiche said:
Anybody think the spending has gone down since the 22-23 season? It still corresponds to a $5M+ roster budget. And, yes, you have to have a good coach to go along with the talented roster.
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Obviously the costs of running a program just keep on going up. All I was seeking to do was clear up the confusion that some seemed to have in regards to those numbers because some were taking those numbers to mean how much the team was spending specifically on players which was not the case.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
The best way I heard it explained is this:

If Michigan spent $5 million for their roster this season, and the Gophers spent $1 million on our roster, Michigan spent 5x as much as the Gophers.

If they both add $3 million in revenue sharing next season, Michigan will spend $8 million and the Gophers will spend $4 million next season. The gap is now only 2x.

That means the lower tier teams in the B1G will significantly close the gap, and also have more money to spend than most other schools outside of the SEC.
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Outside of public perception, why is thinking about the gap in terms of multiples (as opposed to raw value difference) beneficial?
 

jamiche said:
Anybody think the spending has gone down since the 22-23 season? It still corresponds to a $5M+ roster budget. And, yes, you have to have a good coach to go along with the talented roster.
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LOL.
Just admit you're completely wrong, FFS. You quoted program budgets, which is 100% independent of NIL.
Everyone, including you, knows that.
 

USAF said:
LOL.
Just admit you're completely wrong, FFS. You quoted program budgets, which is 100% independent of NIL.
Everyone, including you, knows that.
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Obviously, the agenda is that 1) Minnesota can't compete, and 2) They shouldn't have fired Johnson because Minnesota is so non-competitive that it doesn't matter who the coach is.

Just the whole "it doesn't matter who the coach is" fallacy (and those exact words have been posted verbatim on this site by multiple posters) is so illogical as to make it laughable.
 

Bad Gopher said:
Obviously, the agenda is that 1) Minnesota can't compete, and 2) They shouldn't have fired Johnson because Minnesota is so non-competitive that it doesn't matter who the coach is.

Just the whole "it doesn't matter who the coach is" fallacy (and those exact words have been posted verbatim on this site by multiple posters) is so illogical as to make it laughable.
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Right. In my opinion the coaching matters more. There's always going to be programs with more money and if you're not one of those programs you need an experienced coach with a proven system that can even things out. Ben was not.
 

Ski-U-Ham said:
Outside of public perception, why is thinking about the gap in terms of multiples (as opposed to raw value difference) beneficial?
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Let's think of this in terms of cars.

You hang out in a rich neighborhood where most of the neighbors have 150k plus for a high end car. Up until now you have only had 50k for a car, as you struggled to handle the house costs in the posh area, but now things happened in your favor to get your budget up to just about 150k. Now your car is way, way better than those in other neighborhoods and more like your current neighborhood. That is what might happen to the Gophers.
 


USAF said:
LOL.
Just admit you're completely wrong, FFS. You quoted program budgets, which is 100% independent of NIL.
Everyone, including you, knows that.
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Jamiche is the type of person that is never wrong, no matter how many times you prove he's wrong.

It's the worst type of person.
 

Ski-U-Ham said:
Outside of public perception, why is thinking about the gap in terms of multiples (as opposed to raw value difference) beneficial?
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It’s more about Minnesota having a higher percentage of salary pool available for players.

Scenario A: Michigan $5m, Minnesota $1m
- Michigan has 83% of salary pool
- Minnesota has 17% of salary pool

Scenario B: Michigan $8m, Minnesota $4m
- Michigan has 67% of salary pool
- Minnesota has 33% of salary pool

In scenario B, Minnesota has a bigger chunk of the available salary pool and can therefore sign a bigger chunk of the available talent than they could in scenario A.
 


Ski-U-Ham said:
Outside of public perception, why is thinking about the gap in terms of multiples (as opposed to raw value difference) beneficial?
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Because $4M can build a much better roster than $1M. And when everyone gets into higher numbers, then talent evaluation and coaching becomes a much bigger factor.
 


matt said:
It’s more about Minnesota having a higher percentage of salary pool available for players.

Scenario A: Michigan $5m, Minnesota $1m
- Michigan has 83% of salary pool
- Minnesota has 17% of salary pool

Scenario B: Michigan $8m, Minnesota $4m
- Michigan has 67% of salary pool
- Minnesota has 33% of salary pool

In scenario B, Minnesota has a bigger chunk of the available salary pool and can therefore sign a bigger chunk of the available talent than they could in scenario A.
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They have a bigger chunk of the pool, but will also have to pay more, right (just like Michigan will)?
 


GopherWeatherGuy said:
Because $4M can build a much better roster than $1M. And when everyone gets into higher numbers, then talent evaluation and coaching becomes a much bigger factor.
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I'm not a finance major, but I do understand that more money is better 👍

My question is is there a benefit to us saying that our budget is 1/2 of another schools, compared to maybe 1/4 of another schools, if the total difference remains the same
 

jamiche said:
Anybody think the spending has gone down since the 22-23 season? It still corresponds to a $5M+ roster budget. And, yes, you have to have a good coach to go along with the talented roster.
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I am sure it has...but NIL doesn't count in the budget because NIL is controlled by a third party not the school.

Seriously...you have to stop. Doubling down on a bad take doesn't make it better. You misread the data and now you think you can just try and BS your way to having it make sense. It doesn't cause the information is wrong.
 

Bad Gopher said:
Obviously, the agenda is that 1) Minnesota can't compete, and 2) They shouldn't have fired Johnson because Minnesota is so non-competitive that it doesn't matter who the coach is.

Just the whole "it doesn't matter who the coach is" fallacy (and those exact words have been posted verbatim on this site by multiple posters) is so illogical as to make it laughable.
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These are the type of people who, if they were trapped in an elevator that is going to fall and kill them, are too chicken[bleep] to try something to save themselves because it might also kill them.
 

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