All things D2 and D3 football 2022

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Panthadad2 said:
Have you even been there? BSU might have the most picturesque campus location in the state; right on Lake Bemidji.
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The ride to get there is the ride to heck, it is listed as the poorest city in Minnesota. The stadium nice, right on the lake.
 

IceBoxGopher said:
Basically, D2 football is split into four "super" regions, which each has a few conferences. Regional rankings are released in the lead up to the regular season finale that shows the top teams in each of the four. The top seven teams, I think, in each region are then selected to enter the tournament.

Speaking of which, here are the latest rankings for the region the NSIC shares with the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference and the Lone Star Conference. NSIC teams in bold, Minnesota teams in italics
  1. Angelo State (Texas), 10-0
  2. Colorado School of Mines, 8-2
  3. Minnesota State Mankato, 8-2
  4. Bemidji State (Minn.), 8-2
  5. Winona State (Minn.), 8-2
  6. Wayne State (Neb.), 8-2
  7. Sioux Falls (S.D.),7-3
  8. Colorado State Pueblo, 7-3
  9. Minnesota Duluth, 7-3
  10. Augustana (SD), 6-4
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The Lone Star Conference is a beast (even though they've lost a couple schools to FCS). I was initially surprised to only see one LSC team in that list but it looks like they've been beating each other up with several 3-loss teams.
 

Tommyboy said:
The ride to get there is the ride to heck, it is listed as the poorest city in Minnesota. The stadium nice, right on the lake.
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I have family there. It's not a bad ride from the Twin Cities if you take the right route. It's actually a central location for the northern NSIC teams: Duluth, St. Cloud, Moorhead, Crookston and one of the easiest trips for Minot and Mary.

As to income, any demographic info from Beltrami County will be pulling in Red Lake which distorts things a bit. I will likely have a retirement home on a lake in that area some day.
 

Gophers_4life said:
Bolded: would add that I suspect it is still allowed, in a sense, when the NCAA only has a single championship for all schools sponsoring the sport at a varsity level. Which is likely rare circumstances.
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Are there any of those? I did a quick search, but couldn't find any info. Even so, I'm not sure if that would qualify. The main reason they don't allow D3 teams to play up in hockey anymore (if not grandfathered), is the hard and fast rule is supposed to be that if a school is D3, they are not to offer any athletic scholarships whatsoever.

Someone in another thread went into really good detail on this, because there are or were some weird exceptions with some of those tiny east coast hockey schools.
 

Tommyboy said:
The ride to get there is the ride to heck, it is listed as the poorest city in Minnesota.
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I've seen that, but not sure what the definition is they are using for that. There are much poorer cities in Minnesota on some of the reservations and other remote rural areas.
 


disco said:
Are there any of those? I did a quick search, but couldn't find any info. Even so, I'm not sure if that would qualify. The main reason they don't allow D3 teams to play up in hockey anymore (if not grandfathered), is the hard and fast rule is supposed to be that if a school is D3, they are not to offer any athletic scholarships whatsoever.

Someone in another thread went into really good detail on this, because there are or were some weird exceptions with some of those tiny east coast hockey schools.
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Colorado College is also D3 in everything but puck.
 

Ope3 said:
Colorado College is also D3 in everything but puck.
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I already mentioned them. But they've been playing D1 full scholarship hockey forever.
Someone had posted weird arrangements about a couple of tiny schools (Union may have been one) that were able to get the exception to play up, but had to agree to no scholarships. (Granted, the Ivies play D1 hockey and don't offer them.)

The scholarship thing is the stickler. The NCAA really wants to hold the D3 schools to the absolutely no scholarship sports rule.
 


Tommyboy said:
If Bemidji can recruit in that pit hole area, any team should be able to recruit.
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Clearly you have never been to Bemidji. You tend to say a lot of things that are opinion based or flat out wrong as if they are facts.
 



Schnauzer said:
Clearly you have never been to Bemidji. You tend to say a lot of things that are opinion based or flat out wrong as if they are facts.
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I am glad you like that ride through the swamp land using a single lane. I assume they included the incomes from the reservations in their study, it is located there.
 

State of Football said:
The top 8 left in 6A football would finish top 8 in the UMAC.
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Tommyboy said:
I am glad you like that ride through the swamp land using a single lane. I assume they included the incomes from the reservations in their study, it is located there.
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Ok. I just read the study. It's cities of over 5000 where Bemidji ranks the poorest. And they wouldn't count the reservations, because they are not in the city limits. There are different definitions, but this one showed percent of residents under the poverty line.

Interesting thing about the study though:
Of the ten, five are college towns (I'm not counting Duluth in that anymore than I am Mpls. or St. Paul). If the student population is factored in (I don't know if it is), that would have a huge effect on those numbers, since a lot of students aren't working full time and aren't making much money.
 

disco said:
Ok. I just read the study. It's cities of over 5000 where Bemidji ranks the poorest. And they wouldn't count the reservations, because they are not in the city limits. There are different definitions, but this one showed percent of residents under the poverty line.

Interesting thing about the study though:
Of the ten, five are college towns (I'm not counting Duluth in that anymore than I am Mpls. or St. Paul). If the student population is factored in (I don't know if it is), that would have a huge effect on those numbers, since a lot of students aren't working full time and aren't making much money.
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you have changed my opinion on this wonderful town.
 



disco said:
Are there any of those? I did a quick search, but couldn't find any info. Even so, I'm not sure if that would qualify. The main reason they don't allow D3 teams to play up in hockey anymore (if not grandfathered), is the hard and fast rule is supposed to be that if a school is D3, they are not to offer any athletic scholarships whatsoever.

Someone in another thread went into really good detail on this, because there are or were some weird exceptions with some of those tiny east coast hockey schools.
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I believe Skiing, Rifle, Fencing, and Bowling have single, all-division championships.
 

It's Championship week in the MIAC.

Teams from the Skyline and Northwoods Divisions are matched up based on regular season records in each division. 4 of the 5 games are rematches of regular season meetings.

#1 v #1: Bethel (8-1/7-0/4-0) at St. John's (8-1/6-1/4-0) (Bethel won 28-24 in reg season)
(winner gets automatic qualifier for D3 Playoffs)

#2 v #2: Augsburg (6-3/4-3/3-1) at Gustavus (6-3/5-2/3-1) (did not meet in reg season)

#3 v #3: Concordia (5-4/3-4/2-2) at Carleton (6-3/4-3/2-2) (Concordia won 20-13 in OT in reg seas)

#4 v #4: Macalester (4-5/2-5/1-3) at St. Olaf (4-5/3-4/1-3) (St. Olaf won 38-32 in reg season)

#5 v #5: Hamline (2-7/0-7/0-4) at St. Scholastica (2-7/1-6/0-4) (Scholastica won 43-42 in reg seas)

just in case anyone is thinking about watching the Bethel-Johnnies game - St. John's is the only school in the conference that makes you pay to access their video stream. $10 for a single game.

I'll be watching the Augsburg-Gustavus game until it's time for the Gophers to kick off.
 



UpAndUnder43 said:
Nordic skiing?
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Yeah skiing definitely one championship. St Olaf’s Nordic ski team used to compete with D1 schools until very, very recently. Now they just compete against other club teams in the area.

NCAA skiing championships are combined Nordic and Alpine so your skiers in each discipline count towards your overall team score.
 

GopherPharmaBiz said:
Yeah skiing definitely one championship. St Olaf’s Nordic ski team used to compete with D1 schools until very, very recently. Now they just compete against other club teams in the area.

NCAA skiing championships are combined Nordic and Alpine so your skiers in each discipline count towards your overall team score.
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Yeah—St Scholastica had a famous and very sought after coach so they competed against D1 teams regularly. I’m not sure he is still there. He was NBC’s announcer for the Olympics. Awesome guy.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
Yeah—St Scholastica had a famous and very sought after coach so they competed against D1 teams regularly. I’m not sure he is still there. He was NBC’s announcer for the Olympics. Awesome guy.
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Yeah Chad Salmela- not there anymore but enjoy his commentary during the Olympics.. Immediately made Scholastica relevant in NCAA skiing nationally.

Actually my buddies and I were talking about this recently: it would not take much budget for the U to make a nationally competitive ski team. Nordic talent comes out of the Twin Cities in droves (ex. Diggins) and Buck Hill’s produced some real Alpine talent too. Seriously: the budget would be a van, some wax and tools and like ~$125K salary would hire you the best coach in the country. Gophers would very quickly compete for skiing championships for a pretty small investment.

Unfortunately it seems like they’re cutting not adding programs these days. I still might send Coyle an email…
 

GopherPharmaBiz said:
Yeah Chad Salmela- not there anymore but enjoy his commentary during the Olympics.. Immediately made Scholastica relevant in NCAA skiing nationally.

Actually my buddies and I were talking about this recently: it would not take much budget for the U to make a nationally competitive ski team. Nordic talent comes out of the Twin Cities in droves (ex. Diggins) and Buck Hill’s produced some real Alpine talent too. Seriously: the budget would be a van, some wax and tools and like ~$125K salary would hire you the best coach in the country. Gophers would very quickly compete for skiing championships for a pretty small investment.

Unfortunately it seems like they’re cutting not adding programs these days. I still might send Coyle an email…
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Recently decided if I was rich I’d overfund small programs like this to win titles.
 


MIAC Football "Championship Week" Results

#1 v #1: St. John's 28, Bethel 10 (St. John's is automatic qualifier for D3 playoffs)

#2 v #2: Gustavus 34, Augsburg 20

#3 v #3: Carleton 17, Concordia 14

#4 v #4: Macalester 33, St. Olaf 30

#5 v #5: St. Scholastica 26, Hamline 24

Final Standings

Northwoods Division---
St. John's 9-1/7-1/4-0
Gustavus 7-3/6-2/3-1
Carleton 7-3/5-3/2-2
St. Olaf 4-6/3-5/1-3
St. Scholastica 3-7/2-6/0-4

Skyline Division----
Bethel 8-2/7-1/4-0
Augsburg 6-4/4-4/3-1
Concordia 5-5/3-5/2-2
Macalester 5-5/3-5/1-3
Hamline 2-8/0-8/0-4
 

Results from the final week in the NSIC. Minnesota teams in bold
  • Minnesota State Mankato dominated Winona State, 40-13
  • Sioux Falls crushed Upper Iowa, 50-6
  • Concordia St. Paul outlasted Minot State, 19-11
  • Augustana defeated Southwest Minnesota State, 49-0
  • Minnesota Duluth bested Northern State, 28-7
  • Bemidji State ran past Mary, 51-14
  • Wayne State edged Minnesota State Moorhead, 10-7
Final standings:
1. Bemidji State (9-2)
1. Minnesota State-Mankato (9-2)
1. Wayne State (9-2)
4. Minnesota-Duluth (8-3)
4. Sioux Falls (8-3)
4. Winona State (8-3)
7. Augustana (7-4)
8. Northern State (6-5)
9. Minnesota State-Moorhead (4-7)
9. Southwest Minnesota State (4-7)
11. Mary (2-8)
12. Concordia-St. Paul (1-10)
12. Minot State (1-10)
12. Upper Iowa (1-10)

Bemidji St., MSU Mankato and Wayne St. are co-champions of the NSIC.
 

Panthadad2 said:
Have you even been there? BSU might have the most picturesque campus location in the state; right on Lake Bemidji.
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Yeah that is a really odd comment, their field is literally on Lake Bemidji. It sucks watching them go for a swim after homecoming but the coolest tradition in the NSIC!!
 

MIAC Playoff Update:

St. John's and Bethel each made the D3 Playoffs.

St. John's (9-1) opens with a home game against Northwestern-St. Paul (6-4)

Bethel (8-2) will play a road game at Wheaton (Illinois) (8-2)
 

short ornery norwegian said:
MIAC Playoff Update:

St. John's and Bethel each made the D3 Playoffs.

St. John's (9-1) opens with a home game against Northwestern-St. Paul (6-4)

Bethel (8-2) will play a road game at Wheaton (Illinois) (8-2)
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Will SJU put up 80 on NW-Roseville?
 


GopherPharmaBiz said:
Yeah Chad Salmela is not there anymore but enjoy his commentary during the Olympics.. Immediately made Scholastica relevant in NCAA skiing nationally.

Actually my buddies and I were talking about this recently: it would not take much budget for the U to make a nationally competitive ski team. Nordic talent comes out of the Twin Cities in droves (ex. Diggins) and Buck Hill’s produced some real Alpine talent too. Seriously: the budget would be a van, some wax and tools and like ~$125K salary would hire you the best coach in the country. Gophers would very quickly compete for skiing championships for a pretty small investment.

Unfortunately it seems like they’re cutting not adding programs these days. I still might send Coyle an email…
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Chad is living in Finland these days (the country not the MN city) and calls all the world cup cross country events. Just FYI, every time I've asked him a question about a race he gets back to me with an answer, some times takes a couple of weeks, but he always responds. He's also been a big supporter and driver on getting the Spirit Mountain cross country venue built.
 

Different kind of D3 football, but St. Olaf is making a nice run in the soccer playoffs. They're now in the Sweet 16 of the tourney.
 

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