BleedGopher
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Why should Ben waste his time? Recruiting high school kids has officially become irrelevant at Minnesota. It's 2024...but we're still talking as if we're living in the past.Crazy that we're barely recruiting Christian and seemingly haven't offered despite nearly every P4 team in the region has offered.
How has it become irrelevant? If anything it would be more advantageous for us to go after high school players and develop then trying to go all portal kids. We have lived in the portal during the Johnson era and it hasn't solved much.Why should Ben waste his time? Recruiting high school kids has officially become irrelevant at Minnesota. It's 2024...but we're still talking as if we're living in the past.
Carrington, Payne, and JOJ was supposed to be the savior local class.........How has it become irrelevant? If anything it would be more advantageous for us to go after high school players and develop then trying to go all portal kids. We have lived in the portal during the Johnson era and it hasn't solved much.
We don't need a savior local class but we damn sure need shooters and Christian is easily one of the better shooters in the state. Also how was Carrington, Payne, & JOJ the savior class when none of them were top 5 rank players locally in that class. We whiffed on the guys ranked above.Carrington, Payne, and JOJ was supposed to be the savior local class.........
So why hasn't cbj offered?We don't need a savior local class but we damn sure need shooters and Christian is easily one of the better shooters in the state. Also how was Carrington, Payne, & JOJ the savior class when none of them were top 5 rank players locally in that class. We whiffed on the guys ranked above.
Great question. It doesn't make much sense to me.So why hasn't cbj offered?
Payne would look awfully good in a Mn uniform this season.
Silent verbal - no need for a formal offerSo why hasn't cbj offered?
Payne would look awfully good in a Mn uniform this season.
Payne & Hawkins would both look great in Gopher uniforms this year. But we're officially a feeder program now. I don't see how @GopherPlaya and others missed what happened this off-season. It's only entertainment...so willful delusion is fine if you choose to maintain hope. But I advise against investing any emotion into the games and won/loss results.So why hasn't cbj offered?
Payne would look awfully good in a Mn uniform this season.
Good god your a damn broken record, you need to learn to let shit goPayne & Hawkins would both look great in Gopher uniforms this year. But we're officially a feeder program now. I don't see how @GopherPlaya and others missed what happened this off-season. It's only entertainment...so willful delusion is fine if you choose to maintain hope. But I advise against investing any emotion into the games and won/loss results.
Plus Christie. It's a total waste of time. Plus Amari Allen...Ben wasted a lot of time on him...Allen was rumored to like Minnesota the most...but then Alabama offers the big cash at the last minute.
If we are a feeder program then trying to build our squad via the portal will not be a sustainable modelPayne & Hawkins would both look great in Gopher uniforms this year. But we're officially a feeder program now. I don't see how @GopherPlaya and others missed what happened this off-season. It's only entertainment...so willful delusion is fine if you choose to maintain hope. But I advise against investing any emotion into the games and won/loss results.
Plus Christie. It's a total waste of time. Plus Amari Allen...Ben wasted a lot of time on him...Allen was rumored to like Minnesota the most...but then Alabama offers the big cash at the last minute.
Unless you are willing to pay, there is no other sustainable model.If we are a feeder program then trying to build our squad via the portal will not be a sustainable model
That means we will be getting low-tier transfers, which is why we are continuously at the bottom of the Big Ten. We have a better chance at getting and developing freshmen than getting transfers who can get us over the top. We can agree to disagree, but a Jr transfer will cost more NIL money than a high school kid who is not a McDonalds All-American.Unless you are willing to pay, there is no other sustainable model.
Getting and developing are two things.That means we will be getting low-tier transfers, which is why we are continuously at the bottom of the Big Ten. We have a better chance at getting and developing freshmen than getting transfers who can get us over the top. We can agree to disagree, but a Jr transfer will cost more NIL money than a high school kid who is not a McDonalds All-American.
We lost a transfer who we got from the portal, and two of the three MN players we didn't retain left for reasons they would have before NIL or the portal existed. You dont think JOJ or Carrington falling out of the rotation played a part in those two leaving. Christie going to the NBA should be a recruiting bonus instead of a negative. I think we overstate the loss of kids because of NIL. Pharrell's situation was a bit different, but there probably is more to the story than just NIL.Getting and developing are two things.
Retaining after the first two is key. And as we witnessed this past year, retaining at Mn appears quite difficult.
Agreed. However, if Mn wants to develop kids, and nothing stops them from leaving once they develop, how is that going to help win?We lost a transfer, and two of the three players we didn't retain left for reasons they would have before NIL or the portal existed. You think JOJ or Carrington falling out of the rotation played a part in those two leaving. Christie going to the NBA should be a recruiting bonus instead of a negative. I think we overstate the loss of kids because of NIL. Pharrell's situation was a bit different, but there probably is more to the story than just NIL.
If we get 3 years out of a player compared to a 1 year rental, we will have a better chance at building culture. The football team isn't losing their premier kids on a regular basis. Outside of Bucky Irving what other guys are we losing there that have been impactful. A roster full of transfers like this year or the one 2 years ago will only hinder opportunities to build chemistry and if we aren't getting the best transfers then we aren't going to compete regardless. We meet as well get kids who have potential and develop them and see how that goes. TBH, Carrington not panning out isn't that surprising he wasn't even best player on his high school team or ever a consistent shooter in high school.Agreed. However, if Mn wants to develop kids, and nothing stops them from leaving once they develop, how is that going to help win?
A roster full of potential only goes so far. Ben's year 2 team had a lot of "potential" but they were a disaster on the court. Now that they have expanded the scholarship number, that could allow for better balance between prep recruits and transfers. If we are going after preps to win, they need to be top 100, and if not we are going to need them to stick around at least 3 years. Ben has only gotten 1 guy in the top 100 and he left after his freshman year. Everyone else outside the top 100 has left before 3 years or has not made a legitimate impact on the floor. Transfers have been the most impactful for Ben in his tenure.If we get 3 years out of a player compared to a 1 year rental, we will have a better chance at building culture. The football team isn't losing their premier kids on a regular basis. Outside of Bucky Irving what other guys are we losing there that have been impactful. A roster full of transfers like this year or the one 2 years ago will only hinder opportunities to build chemistry and if we aren't getting the best transfers then we aren't going to compete regardless. We meet as well get kids who have potential and develop them and see how that goes. TBH, Carrington not panning out isn't that surprising he wasn't even best player on his high school team or ever a consistent shooter in high school.
Everything on here is a broken record.Good god your a damn broken record, you need to learn to let shit go
PJ is an excellent coach.PJ goes after every top in state recruit hard, and lands most of them. BJ doesn't bother if he thinks they are going to have better offers.
Thankfully the last season of BJ is nearly here. Then this nightmare will finally be over and we can hire a real coach.
Exactly. I want someone to explain how we can be good if we can't retain our players.Getting and developing are two things.
Retaining after the first two is key. And as we witnessed this past year, retaining at Mn appears quite difficult.
Losing Payne & Hawkins is overstated??I think we overstate the loss of kids because of NIL. Pharrell's situation was a bit different, but there probably is more to the story than just NIL.