All Things 2025 Minnesota Vikings Off-Season Thread

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golf said:
Kfan sports personality John Bonnes said he would rather go his whole life without seeing the Vikes win a super bowl, rather than see the Vikes win one with Rodgers.

Do you concur with Bonnes?
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That's just the game.

They know there's a certain percentage of their listener base who feel that way, so they get one of their guys to spout off like that to be their champion.
 

Ope3 said:
It's baffling to me that you think it's limited to those 3 options.

No, not all the media thinks Rodgers is the best option. It highly debatable. 3 years removed from having a decent season.

Until KOC/Kwesi actually aquire an additional QB via trade, free agent or waiver pickup we don't know what they are thinking. It really doesn't matter until they do.
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There are 3 prime NFL websites - ESPN, NFL.com, and pff. NFL.com lists the top 101 free agents. Rodgers is the only QB listed - at #25. Pff lists the top remaining free agents - Rodgers #7, Flacco #38, Hundley #58. ESPN behind a paywall.
Also instructive that Steelers have offered their starting position to only one free agent - Rodgers. Not Flacco, Hundley or any other free agent.

The point of my post was that Rodgers was easily the best free agent QB remaining.
Yet gophersfan insists there are better free agent qb's 🙄. I assume u dont believe that?

You brought up the idea of a trade, which is a possibility, especially if Rodgers retires or hooks on with another team. Just to cover all bases, Brett Rypien a possibility as well or Vikes could draft a QB.
 
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golf said:
There are 3 prime NFL websites - ESPN, NFL.com, and pff. NFL.com lists the top 101 free agents. Rodgers is the only QB listed - at #25. Pff lists the top remaining free agents - Rodgers #7, Flacco #38, Hundley #58. ESPN behind a paywall.
Also instructive that Steelers have offered their starting position to only one free agent - Rodgers. Not Flacco, Hundley or any other free agent.

The point of my post was that Rodgers was easily the best free agent QB remaining.
Yet gophersfan insists there are better free agent qb's 🙄. I assume u dont believe that?

You brought up the idea of a trade, which is a possibility, especially if Rodgers retires or hooks on with another team. Just to cover all bases, Brett Rypien a possibility as well or Vikes could draft a QB.
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As far as Free Agent QBs available, there's nothing wrong with choosing "None of the above" for the Vikings.

Not only is a trade possible, I think it's just as probable as picking up a Free Agent. More than 5 months to go before it matters.
 

GopherGrit said:
Kwesi just had public comments on Wed about the situation, so that's not fully true.
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Not "fully" true, perhaps.

While I am not saying Kwesi is fibbing, in general it's not in a GM's best interest to be 100% forthcoming in their comments.

In the end, it doesn't matter what Vikings management says, it's what they do and how it plays out on the actual field.
 

Ope3 said:
As far as Free Agent QBs available, there's nothing wrong with choosing "None of the above" for the Vikings.

Not only is a trade possible, I think it's just as probable as picking up a Free Agent. More than 5 months to go before it matters.
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Again. Two of the three premiere nfl sites say:

NFL.com top 101 free agents
#25 Rodgers
no other QBs rated

Pff top 62 remaining free agents
#7 Rodgers
#38 Flacco
#58 Hundley

Also Steelers have offered a contract to Rodgers to be starter. Didn't offer any other free agent QBs.

Certainly could choose none of the above.
But you would agree that Rodgers is the best free agent QB available, right?
 


golf said:
Again. Two of the three premiere nfl sites say:

NFL.com top 101 free agents
#25 Rodgers
no other QBs rated

Pff top 62 remaining free agents
#7 Rodgers
#38 Flacco
#58 Hundley

Also Steelers have offered a contract to Rodgers to be starter. Didn't offer any other free agent QBs.

Certainly could choose none of the above.
But you would agree that Rodgers is the best free agent QB available, right?
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No.
 

Ope3 said:
No.
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Nfl.com ranks top 101 free agents
#25 Rodgers
(no other QBs ranked)

Pff ranks remaining free agents
#7 Rodgers
#38 Flacco
#58 Hundley

Steelers offer Rodgers a starting gig and Vikes spend days contemplating if he could look good in purple.


So who should be believed?
NFL.com, pff, Steelers, Vikings
or
Ope3

This was my point to begin with. There are many, like John Bonnes, who have such a hate for Rodgers that they dont want Rodgers under any circumstance.

Not much point of continuing this convo. If NFL.com, PFF, Steelers, Vikings aren't going to convince you then I certainly am not.

Have a good evening.
 

golf said:
Nfl.com ranks top 101 free agents
#25 Rodgers
(no other QBs ranked)

Pff ranks remaining free agents
#7 Rodgers
#38 Flacco
#58 Hundley

Steelers offer Rodgers a starting gig and Vikes spend days contemplating if he could look good in purple.


So who should be believed?
NFL.com, pff, Steelers, Vikings
or
Ope3

This was my point to begin with. There are many, like John Bonnes, who have such a hate for Rodgers that they dont want Rodgers under any circumstance.

Not much point of continuing this convo. If NFL.com, PFF, Steelers, Vikings aren't going to convince you then I certainly am not.

Have a good evening.
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Do you not get it. Aaron Rodgers is a locker room cancer and it not taking the Vikings to a Super Bowl or winning one. Aaron Rodgers is not the answer we need at QB. Can you ever learn that the Starting QB is already on the damn roster and it is JJ McCarthy. will you ever get that in your head.

2nd of all. How do we know the Vikings want Aaron Rodgers. We sure in hell do not know that. yes they are looking into it. But for the last time we don't know if they really want him or are interested in him at all. I sure in hell don't think we want Rodgers not do the Vikings want anything to do with Rodgers. Let it go ok.
 

golf said:
Nfl.com ranks top 101 free agents
#25 Rodgers
(no other QBs ranked)

Pff ranks remaining free agents
#7 Rodgers
#38 Flacco
#58 Hundley

Steelers offer Rodgers a starting gig and Vikes spend days contemplating if he could look good in purple.


So who should be believed?
NFL.com, pff, Steelers, Vikings
or
Ope3

This was my point to begin with. There are many, like John Bonnes, who have such a hate for Rodgers that they dont want Rodgers under any circumstance.

Not much point of continuing this convo. If NFL.com, PFF, Steelers, Vikings aren't going to convince you then I certainly am not.

Have a good evening.
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Since apparently my previous reply a little while ago wasn't enough for you to pick up my signal on the topic, here goes nothing...

I had never heard of John Bonnes before you mentioned his name. I have zero curiosity to find out who he is, his employer much less care about his opinion on anything.

If "none of the above" is my preferred route regarding Rodgers/Flacco I find the fact you care about my opinion on any of the remaining candidates extremely puzzling. Quite bizarre.

Having said that, if those would be the ONLY options, just 8 days ago I said I would be fine if the Vikings got in the Joe Flacco business. Post 659 in case you care to look that up.

A few days before that in (Post 616) I linked this article of someone whose I opinion I trust regarding Rodgers in general:


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Flacco took the Browns to the Playoffs in 2023. They fell apart in 2024.

Jets won more games in 2023 without Rodgers than they did in 2024 with him on the way to getting the Coaching Staff canned. I have stated that fact multiple times.

Why is it so difficult to understand that I have a differing opinion on the matter then whomever you put stock into? It just doesn't seem unreasonable to think that the guy who will be 42 years old doesn't have what it takes anymore.

It doesn't take long to find other national media members (Orlovsky) who think the Vikings bringing on Rodgers would be a bad idea.
 



John Bonnes for those of you interested is one of the owner of the Twins Daily website. a fan site for the Minnesota Twins.
 

gophersfan said:
John Bonnes for those of you interested is one of the owner of the Twins Daily website. a fan site for the Minnesota Twins.
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So if the Minnesota Twins add Aaron Rodgers to the starting rotation we will have to make sure and do a wellness check on John Bonnes according to # golf.

That's what I have learned today.
 

Ope3 said:
Not "fully" true, perhaps.

While I am not saying Kwesi is fibbing, in general it's not in a GM's best interest to be 100% forthcoming in their comments.

In the end, it doesn't matter what Vikings management says, it's what they do and how it plays out on the actual field.
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And what the player decides to do, as well.

For all we know, the Vikings made Rodgers an offer that did not include a guaranteed starter role for 2025. And Rodgers turned that down.

I made that up, and have no real idea, but I don't think any of us actually know.
 
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Ope3 said:
As far as Free Agent QBs available, there's nothing wrong with choosing "None of the above" for the Vikings.

Not only is a trade possible, I think it's just as probable as picking up a Free Agent. More than 5 months to go before it matters.
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There's just no way we roll into Week 1 with only Rypien and let's say a 2025 draft pick round 4 or lower as the QB room. That's nuts. (I'm not saying that you're saying that is what you want or what you think is going to happen.)

Something has to happen
 




GopherGrit said:
There's just no way we roll into Week 1 with only Rypien and let's say a 2025 draft pick round 4 or lower as the QB room. That's nuts. (I'm not saying that you're saying that is what you want or what you think is going to happen.)

Something has to happen
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Exactly, something will happen.

Even drafting another QB is possible. Not likely, given how few picks they have and it would not preclude them from acquiring another backup option.

Brock Purdy, 7th Round pick by the 49ers on 2022. By November was starting and eventually won 2 playoff games that same year. Longshot, indeed, but ya never know.

It's not even April yet. Stuff will happen.
 

Ope3 said:
gophersfan said:
John Bonnes for those of you interested is one of the owner of the Twins Daily website. a fan site for the Minnesota Twins.
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I had never heard of John Bonnes before you mentioned his name. I have zero curiosity to find out who he is, his employer much less care about his opinion on anything.
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Well all of this falls in line with what I know of Bonnes and the Twins Daily website now. I was on TD a while ago for a long time until I had one or two ridiculously benign comments regarding Covid censored and deleted on that site. That would certainly fall in line with Bonnes frothing-at-the-mouth take on Rodgers. A rather unfortunate level of unhinged of quite some magnitude.

It'll be interesting to see what Rodgers does. I think retiring is certainly on the table. And I still think the Vikings flirtation with him was as a backup. From everything I've heard on how KAM and KOC think of McCarthy, they weren't shopping for fall camp competition. I could be wrong. Whatever happens, it will happen after the draft most likely
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
Well all of this falls in line with what I know of Bonnes and the Twins Daily website now. I was on TD a while ago for a long time until I had one or two ridiculously benign comments regarding Covid censored and deleted on that site. That would certainly fall in line with Bonnes frothing-at-the-mouth take on Rodgers. A rather unfortunate level of unhinged of quite some magnitude.

It'll be interesting to see what Rodgers does. I think retiring is certainly on the table. And I still think the Vikings flirtation with him was as a backup. From everything I've heard on how KAM and KOC think of McCarthy, they weren't shopping for fall camp competition. I could be wrong. Whatever happens, it will happen after the draft most likely
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I had the same experience at Twins Daily. Posters were posting pro dei stuff so I countered. My post was censored but theirs weren't. I unsubscribed at that time.

I appreciate about GH that the mods are left as is the case for most media, but let us righties have our say as well.
 


Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
It'll be interesting to see what Rodgers does. I think retiring is certainly on the table. And I still think the Vikings flirtation with him was as a backup. From everything I've heard on how KAM and KOC think of McCarthy, they weren't shopping for fall camp competition. I could be wrong. Whatever happens, it will happen after the draft most likely
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If the Vikings are truly interested in Rodgers as a backup QB only, and if he was genuinely interested in that, then he wouldn't need to show up in Eagan until mid-August, at the earliest.
 
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Ope3 said:
Brock Purdy, 7th Round pick by the 49ers on 2022.
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I chuckled when I read this because there was a silly rumor floating around last week that SF offered Purdy to the Vikings for JJM during the Mason trade talks.

I see the QB situation both ways:

1. The Vikings attacked Free Agency this off-season spending a ton of cap space to fill roster holes knowing they were fully invested in JJM as their starter this year on his Rookie contract.

2. If JJM gets hurt or isn't ready, there's probably no better option currently available than Rodgers no matter how much you dislike the douchebag.

Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson, Jones, Mason and a fortified OL anchored by Pro Bowl OTs...Rodgers would give his left nut to be a Viking.
 

Crazy stat of the day courtesy of Phil Mackay.

Ivan Pace PFF grades among linebackers:
rushing the QB: 4th out of 90
run defense: 8th out of 90
pass defense: 90th out of 90
 

Slim Tubby said:
I chuckled when I read this because there was a silly rumor floating around last week that SF offered Purdy to the Vikings for JJM during the Mason trade talks.

I see the QB situation both ways:

1. The Vikings attacked Free Agency this off-season spending a ton of cap space to fill roster holes knowing they were fully invested in JJM as their starter this year on his Rookie contract.

2. If JJM gets hurt or isn't ready, there's probably no better option currently available than Rodgers no matter how much you dislike the douchebag.

Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson, Jones, Mason and a fortified OL anchored by Pro Bowl OTs...Rodgers would give his left nut to be a Viking.
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Vikes floated that rumor.
 

Hard not to be excited about the upcoming season for the Vikings. Another fantastic piece in The Athletic from Alec Lewis about the Vikings defense; in particular, some metrics from last season on Harrison Phillips and Bullard, further emphasizing the additions of Jonathan Allen and Hargrave.

The roster-building of the current regime is impressive to say the least. Here's an excerpt from the middle of the article:

"The pass rush links directly to coverage. However, it is notable that the Vikings generated a 24.8 percent pressure rate on snaps with Phillips and Bullard on the field. Only eight teams finished with a lower pressure rate for the season.

Furthermore, Phillips and Bullard hovered near the bottom in every meaningful pass-rush statistic. Sacks? Phillips and Bullard combined for three of them. Pressure rate? Phillips and Bullard ranked 133rd and 137th, respectively, among 138 qualified pass rushers.

Win rate paints a similar picture. So does Pro Football Focus’s pressure formula, as well as the tape. Opposing offenses allocated more help to the edges with those two on the field, giving the quarterback more time and leaving Minnesota’s coverage more susceptible.

Enter Allen and Hargrave. They’ve combined for 87 1/2 career sacks. In 2023, when both last remained healthy for a full season, they collectively notched 113 pressures. Each also ranked in the top 20 among defensive tackles in pass-rush win rate."
 



Heard some nationally syndicated guy on KFAN last evening, don't remember who it was.

Basically brought up the point that if Rodgers wants a ring this year, it has to be the NFC. Going to an AFC team like the Steelers is where that dream goes to die.

Also brought up the possibility of Stafford were to get hurt that the Rams might be an ideal landing spot.


Can't remember if it was the same show or not but also (someone) said that it was the first time they recall KOC making public comments on it and acknowledging that Rodgers had reached out to the Vikings which triggered internal discussions but that they decided they liked the QB room they had.
 

GopherGrit said:
Heard some nationally syndicated guy on KFAN last evening, don't remember who it was.

Basically brought up the point that if Rodgers wants a ring this year, it has to be the NFC. Going to an AFC team like the Steelers is where that dream goes to die.

Also brought up the possibility of Stafford were to get hurt that the Rams might be an ideal landing spot.
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More and more, I am thinking the logical ploy for Rodgers is to wait it out into Training Camp or into the Regular Season (maybe even well into the the rigors of a 17 game schedule) for a starting QB to go down with injury on a team with Playoff/Super Bowl hopes.

He could swoop right into any number of plug and play situations, skipping OTAs and Training Camp.
 

New Bears head coach Johnson hitting the ground running. Says he has enjoyed beating the Packers twice a year 🙂.
 

GopherGrit said:
Heard some nationally syndicated guy on KFAN last evening, don't remember who it was.

Basically brought up the point that if Rodgers wants a ring this year, it has to be the NFC. Going to an AFC team like the Steelers is where that dream goes to die.

Also brought up the possibility of Stafford were to get hurt that the Rams might be an ideal landing spot.


Can't remember if it was the same show or not but also (someone) said that it was the first time they recall KOC making public comments on it and acknowledging that Rodgers had reached out to the Vikings which triggered internal discussions but that they decided they liked the QB room they had.
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Also an espn article on the thoughts of koc on Rodgers
 

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