All Things 2025 Minnesota Vikings In-Season Thread

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GopherGrit said:
I think non-playoff teams are capped at 18? I could be wrong there.

Since you keep ducking it, I'll just assume you're avoiding having to admit being wrong before about being so nonchalant towards the Vikings slipping in the draft order.
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
 



Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
I don't think any of us has any idea why he hasn't interviewed. It could very well be that the terms of the ongoing litigation say that he is not to interview. Also, how do we know that he hasn't declined any number of interviews over the last several years? I would guess Flores and his camp would not think it would help his lawsuit if he were to not only have multiple interviews but to actually get an offer. I wouldn't be shocked if he's declined HC interviews the last several years.

A quick internet search indicated that he HAS definitely turned down interviews in recent years, most notably the AZ Cardinals HC job a few years back. He's also said he would turn down any "sham" interviews for a HC job, and I would think it serves his lawsuit to say that most of them ARE sham interviews.
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sure i guess. Perfectly reasonable alternative explanation.
 

GopherGrit said:
I did move the goalposts, about 1mm.

Enjoy that victory, I expect to see you dancing naked in the street. :)


Of course, I did also still completely blow up your point of bringing it up without any further context as a way to try to bash the Wilfs (let's be honest, that's your fetish) and lesser extent the Vikings in general.
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There will be no enjoyment of victory because I never intended there to be a contest, but thanks for the concession and admitting defeat.

It was simply a statement of fact: the Vikings had no Pro Bowl honorees in 2025. You projected it into something else as an indictment of the Wilfs & franchise.

Just because the woeful Giants & Cardinals had players Pro Bowels, does not mean those franchises are in a better status than the Vikings or have better Ownership. They have their own issues to deal with.

Readers can draw their own conclusions on the Purple shut out. That's why I just let the blank list stand originally (albeit in way I tried to illicit humor).

For instance, this would have been a good example of what failing to have a Pro Bowler means:

Does it not say something that a player of Justin Jefferson's talent (not just Pro Bowl but All Pro past honors) & reputation failed to achieve the honor?

He hasn't missed a Regular Season game either. His numbers had to be really sub-standard to not get a nod as one of the Top 4 WRs in the NFC. Something went wrong. Terribly.

What it is was specifically, I am not sure. He was hurt in training camp. Revolving door of QBs with varying degree of performance, mostly in their first year of NFL action. Patchwork O-Line. Team failed to make the playoffs. Coaching game plans. Defensive plans against.

Probably the QB thing for the most part. I'm sure Murray's Warmath's ghost will agree with that.

In the end, for Justin Jefferson it probably does not mean that much beyond losing a potential chit for his Hall of Fame candidacy or a contract incentive. Maybe his endorsement stature takes a small hit.

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As for bashing the Wilfs, don't worry. I will never leave room for any doubt on such comments.

- Up to 21 seasons now under their reign with just paltry 3 Play-off wins, none since 2019.
- Zero NFC Championships.
- Still have not won multiple Playoff Games in the same season.
- Just 1 NFC North Title in the past 8 seasons.

Now THAT is trolling. But also 100% factual.
 


kg21 said:
with the win!

that's what happened with that particular win. That one win on that weekend.

What am I ducking or being nonchalant about?

I really have no clue.
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It seems you are agreeing that you were wrong to be so relaxed and casual about that one win and not slipping that much back then, because now you are quite concerned about it.
 

Ope3 said:
There will be no enjoyment of victory because I never intended there to be a contest, but thanks for the concession and admitting defeat.

It was simply a statement of fact: the Vikings had no Pro Bowl honorees in 2025. You projected it into something else as an indictment of the Wilfs & franchise.

Just because the woeful Giants & Cardinals had players Pro Bowels, does not mean those franchises are in a better status than the Vikings or have better Ownership. They have their own issues to deal with.

Readers can draw their own conclusions on the Purple shut out. That's why I just let the blank list stand originally (albeit in way I tried to illicit humor).

For instance, this would have been a good example of what failing to have a Pro Bowler means:

Does it not say something that a player of Justin Jefferson's talent (not just Pro Bowl but All Pro past honors) & reputation failed to achieve the honor?

He hasn't missed a Regular Season game either. His numbers had to be really sub-standard to not get a nod as one of the Top 4 WRs in the NFC. Something went wrong. Terribly.

What it is was specifically, I am not sure. He was hurt in training camp. Revolving door of QBs with varying degree of performance, mostly in their first year of NFL action. Patchwork O-Line. Team failed to make the playoffs. Coaching game plans. Defensive plans against.

Probably the QB thing for the most part. I'm sure Murray's Warmath's ghost will agree with that.

In the end, for Justin Jefferson it probably does not mean that much beyond losing a potential chit for his Hall of Fame candidacy or a contract incentive. Maybe his endorsement stature takes a small hit.

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As for bashing the Wilfs, don't worry. I will never leave room for any doubt on such comments.

- Up to 21 seasons now under their reign with just paltry 3 Play-off wins, none since 2019.
- Zero NFC Championships.
- Still have not won multiple Playoff Games in the same season.
- Just 1 NFC North Title in the past 8 seasons.

Now THAT is trolling. But also 100% factual.
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My bolding: as I said, without additional context such as what is introduced here (the bolded part), not to mention that other teams did exceptionally well without having any non-long snapper Pro Bowlers, so clearly it doesn't matter or correlate at all with season outcome.

That should have always been included in the first post.
 

GopherGrit said:
My bolding: as I said, without additional context such as what is introduced here (the bolded part), not to mention that other teams did exceptionally well without having any non-long snapper Pro Bowlers, so clearly it doesn't matter or correlate at all with season outcome.

That should have always been included in the first post.
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I did not care to discuss Justin Jefferson at the time, nor the capacity.

The original post was still 100% valid.
 

Ope3 said:
I did not care to discuss Justin Jefferson at the time, nor the capacity.

The original post was still 100% valid.
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False

It lacked necessary context and I would edit or delete it, if it were me
 




GopherGrit said:
It seems you are agreeing that you were wrong to be so relaxed and casual about that one win and not slipping that much back then, because now you are quite concerned about it.
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Oh, had I known we were going to win 5 in a row, I'd have definitely thought we'd stay put. LMAO

Again, I still don't get it.

and yes, they can drop to as low as 20
 






Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
I'm not the smartest guy in the world
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Hey, that’s my zip code.
Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
but I sniffed this one out many, many months ago. I've been trying to tell some of you but some things just have to be figured out on your own
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But I like stubbing my toes🤷‍♂️

It occurred to me only today🤦‍♂️ that He Was Back, after his complaining about the title of new coach Fleck hired, Rush Ends coach. It just clicked that no one, not even me, can be that petty, except…..
 
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upnorthkid said:
they seem like they have a super cool relationship with calling multiple plays and being able to audible on the field. defensively seems like a super fun system to play in,
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Cool how he’s trusts them to adjust as needed, it’s very collaborative.
upnorthkid said:
obviously the stuff about destroying Tua's confidence ain't great, but at the same time he's a very mediocre QB with serious limitations that even an "offensive", more touchy feely players coach in McDaniel couldn't get to be consistently good
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Hopefully he’s learned a long the way; I think our mistakes teach us as much or more than the good choices we make. Things got mellower as i aged, as everything wasn’t a life and death battle and i went from being a Type AAA to Single A, working my way to Independent Ball.
 

kg21 said:
Oh, had I known we were going to win 5 in a row, I'd have definitely thought we'd stay put. LMAO

Again, I still don't get it.

and yes, they can drop to as low as 20
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Apparently according to GGrit we Holers are supposed to be incumbent on amending, clarifying or go back and forth a dozen times whenever he misinterprets posts and/or let's his imagination runs amuck about any slight on the entire Vikings organization.

Real or perceived.
 

Ope3 said:
Apparently according to GGrit we Holers are supposed to be incumbent on amending, clarifying or go back and forth a dozen times whenever he misinterprets posts and/or let's his imagination runs amuck about any slight on the entire Vikings organization.

Real or perceived.
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We were picking at 11. We won a game and stayed at 11 and didn't drop in the draft after the win.

I was happy about that. Nothing more and nothing less.

Again, I have no clue what he's even saying. Enough of that, though.

I get a little bummed out when gopher football and viking football are over. It's a long time until next season.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
Thanks for clarifying.

Think he was smart to not sign the extension, as his future contact now should have increased, if he resigns as our DC.

More amazing stuff-

The results are inarguable. The Vikings haven’t drafted a full-time defensive starter in the early rounds in almost a decade, yet Flores has produced elite defenses since he was hired in 2023. The current group ranks sixth in the league in defensive DVOA, an all-encompassing metric that accounts for strength of schedule.

Only the Jaguars, Eagles, Seahawks and Texans — all playoff teams — have allowed fewer points per drive than Minnesota since Week 11. Four of the Vikings’ opponents during that stretch boast top-10 offenses.



Their O is tempting🤷‍♂️


Dysfunctional franchise.


If I’m the Vikes, I make him the highest paid coordinator in football.

He’s 44 and maybe gets one more shot at an HC job, so I hope he stays put for a few more seasons.
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Sounds like Jerry Jones could also be showing Flores the money.

www.nbcsports.com

Cowboys could be lurking for Brian Flores as the Matt Eberflus replacement

On 50th anniversary of Hail Mary game, Cowboys and Vikings could be squaring off for Minnesota's DC.
www.nbcsports.com www.nbcsports.com
 

kg21 said:
We were picking at 11. We won a game and stayed at 11 and didn't drop in the draft after the win.

I was happy about that. Nothing more and nothing less.
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Yeah, I totally got your drift, both originally and currently. Not that hard.
 


Gopher_In_NYC said:
Mike Floirio, he’s an unabashed 🤡 bro.

There will be millions of BS rumors from talking heads, because they have to talk/report something.
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Why would this not be true?

Word is the cowboys were very impressed with how our defense was run in our win over them.

Apparently Flores loves Minnesota, his kids are in Minnesota schools and like it here.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
Mike Floirio, he’s an unabashed 🤡 bro.

There will be millions of BS rumors from talking heads, because they have to talk/report something.
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kg21 said:
Why would this not be true?

Word is the cowboys were very impressed with how our defense was run in our win over them.

Apparently Flores loves Minnesota, his kids are in Minnesota schools and like it here.
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At the very least Jones vs Wilfs would increase the bidding.

Lots.
 

Ope3 said:
At the very least Jones vs Wilfs would increase the bidding.
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True
Ope3 said:
Lots.
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TBD.

Jerry is a renowned cheap skate, as noted in the article you sent -

Jerry Jones loves to talk a big game. Will he put his money where his mouth is? He has a low-key reputation for being cheap. Rex Ryan claimed last year that he would have been hired instead of Mike Zimmer to be the defensive coordinator for the final years of the Mike McCarthy regime, but Jones “couldn’t pony up the money.”

I don’t think Jerry really cares if he wins another SB or not; he’s got three, sells out Jerry World for all their home games (and hosts a ton of other events), and gets to be in the media, whenever his ego needs stroking.

The easiest way for the Wilfs to handle it is to simply make Flo the highest paid coordinator in the game; Jerry ain’t gonna top that.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
True

TBD.

Jerry is a renowned cheap skate, as noted in the article you sent -

Jerry Jones loves to talk a big game. Will he put his money where his mouth is? He has a low-key reputation for being cheap. Rex Ryan claimed last year that he would have been hired instead of Mike Zimmer to be the defensive coordinator for the final years of the Mike McCarthy regime, but Jones “couldn’t pony up the money.”

I don’t think Jerry really cares if he wins another SB or not; he’s got three, sells out Jerry World for all their home games (and hosts a ton of other events), and gets to be in the media, whenever his ego needs stroking.

The easiest way for the Wilfs to handle it is to simply make Flo the highest paid coordinator in the game; Jerry ain’t gonna top that.
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I keep thinking Jerry is going to have a "One more before I die epiphany", but there is a lot of evidence to the contrary.

Cowboys are one of the few handful of NFC franchises with as little or even less Post-Season success than the Wilfs since they took over. In the club with Washington & Detroit. All of them missed the tournament again this year too.
 

Ope3 said:
At the very least Jones vs Wilfs would increase the bidding.

Lots.
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I'm a huge, massive believer in overpaying for talent. Period. You really almost can't pay TOO much for premium talent.

KOC is around $13M/year and apparently Flores is around $4-$4.5M/year. If you really think he's your guy, and you don't ever want him to leave, you pay him $8-$10M/year and be done with it. Give him elevated titles if that's his thing, whatever. With a team salary around $300M, that difference in paying your coach is not much.

I've used this analogy many times. Let's say I'm running a small coffee shop and I've got a cute young lady working in there, probably with big cans to boot, and a great engaging funny personality, and I know that a lot of my customers are coming in partly for the coffee, partly because of their experience with her. If the going rate for that position is like $15/hour or whatever, I'm paying her $25-$30/hour, and wouldn't even bat an eyelash. It's a no-brainer.

No such thing as overpaying for talent. The Raiders apparently could have had Jim Harbaugh and perhaps even a chance at Vrabel a couple years back. Mark Davis should have written one of those guys a blank check, name your price. No price would have been too high for one of those guys, or even a Sean Payton who I think is one of the biggest jackasses in the league.
 

Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
I've used this analogy many times. Let's say I'm running a small coffee shop and I've got a cute young lady working in there, probably with big cans to boot, and a great engaging funny personality, and I know that a lot of my customers are coming in partly for the coffee, partly because of their experience with her. If the going rate for that position is like $15/hour or whatever, I'm paying her $25-$30/hour, and wouldn't even bat an eyelash. It's a no-brainer.
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Don Draper would approve of this message...and so do I.
 

Slim Tubby said:
Don Draper would approve of this message...and so do I.
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I really need to find time to finally check out that show. I think I started it YEARS ago (like when you had to buy the DVDs to watch it) and after a few episodes, it just didn't strike a chord with me. I need to give it another shot at some point
 


Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
I'm a huge, massive believer in overpaying for talent. Period. You really almost can't pay TOO much for premium talent.

KOC is around $13M/year and apparently Flores is around $4-$4.5M/year. If you really think he's your guy, and you don't ever want him to leave, you pay him $8-$10M/year and be done with it. Give him elevated titles if that's his thing, whatever. With a team salary around $300M, that difference in paying your coach is not much.
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Righteous bucks.

A lot of dough. Wilfs must have a lot of faith it will pay off with a Playoff win. Someday.
 

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