All Things 2025 Minnesota Twins In-Season Thread

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howeda7 said:
I know he's before my time and saves weren't a big thing, but all I've ever heard about him is how much he sucked.
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He did.

Also Saves weren't an official stat until 1969, so it was only 13 seasons worth of data until the RD tenure began.
 
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Ope3 said:
For a team "not concerned about winning" they played 23 pretty good innings of baseball against one of the foremost teams in MLB.

The ending last night was god awful, but they still took 2 of 3 against the Friars.
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On the other hand now dropping 4 in a row to the White Sox while getting blown out tonight well...


...Uffda.
 


TRF Guy said:
At the time he was
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The Ron Davis Stat line in 1986 before he was shipped off to the Cubs is really amazingly horrific.

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More Earned Runs than IP.
 



Well, might as well tank now, if they haven't been strategizing already to do so. Currently with the sixth worst win percentage in baseball, but percentage points behind the Braves and Pirates; probably too aspirational to get into the top 3 (Nats are at .399), but never say never!
 



I've got to wonder what the bottom line is with a gate of 30,000+ fans eating, drinking and having a good time versus the 11,721 announced crowd last night.
 


Breakin' The Plane said:
Not sure why I didn't piece it together earlier, but Ike Davis being born in Minnesota now makes a lot more sense that I realized his father is Ron Davis.
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Per Wiki Ike was born in 1987 (after RD was traded), went to HS in Scottsdale before attending Arizona St.

I do recall his family hung around the Twin Cities several years after his Dad's MLB career ended. Reusse wrote a column about Ron playing Town Team ball.

Ike must have spent a decent amount of his childhood here. One of us.
 

Ope3 said:
The Ron Davis Stat line in 1986 before he was shipped off to the Cubs is really amazingly horrific.

www.baseball-reference.com

Ron Davis Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Rookie Status & More | Baseball-Reference.com

Check out the latest Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Rookie Status & More of Ron Davis. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, bats, throws, school and more on Baseball-reference.com
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More Earned Runs than IP.
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What a fun era.

My best friend in HS was a huge Twins fan and this was back when there was the Rolaid’s Relief Man of the Year Award, and after one of RD’s bigger late inning flops went in an epic tirade!! He never swore, except when RD was chucking.

It went a little something like this-

“Frickin RD’s job is to put out out the fire, but Noooooo, that AHole comes in and pours Frickin gasoline on the fire and he blows yet another game because he walks the first two batters and then one out later a three round tater.” Poor John Gordon trying to sound optimistic after these debacles was the cherry on top😊

I laughed during Pagan’s tenure, as RD was Pagan on steroids and supercharged😎 and Pagan was Mariano compared to RD.

RD’s 4.4 walks per nine during his Twins’ 5 year tenure, traumatized one kid from Alex and still causes another to chuckle.
 



Gopher_In_NYC said:
What a fun era.

My best friend in HS was a huge Twins fan and this was back when there was the Rolaid’s Relief Man of the Year Award, and after one of RD’s bigger late inning flops went in an epic tirade!! He never swore, except when RD was chucking.

It went a little something like this-

“Frickin RD’s job is to put out out the fire, but Noooooo, that AHole comes in and pours Frickin gasoline on the fire and he blows yet another game because he walks the first two batters and then one out later a three round tater.” Poor John Gordon trying to sound optimistic after these debacles was the cherry on top😊

I laughed during Pagan’s tenure, as RD was Pagan on steroids and supercharged😎 and Pagan was Mariano compared to RD.

RD’s 4.4 walks per nine during his Twins’ 5 year tenure, traumatized one kid from Alex and still causes another to chuckle.
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With the 1982 Cal Griffith purge, Davis was the one piece returned that was already an established MLB player having been the set-up guy (and All Star) for Goose as a Yankee.

That season and 1983 he was fine, but there was absolutely zero pressure as those Twins teams with the youth movement were not even remotely considered AL West contenders. Blowing a save here and there, no biggie. Looking at the link I provided his Walk total was manageable.

1984 with the arrival of Puckett, they unexpectedly found themselves in contention for a pretty mediocre Division title. The blown saves were magnified and even when successful, there was hardly ever a clean inning. Always a tightrope.

It culminated with the epic meltdown against Cleveland. Jamie Quirk.

Having tasted near success the following season the issues snowballed until the incredibly bad 1986. Both the roof and Davis collapsed in an April game against the Angels. Finally they pulled the plug on RD, eventually trading him to the Cubs for George Frazier and Ray Fontenot.

I happened to be in Chicago when the 1986 trade when down and watched their legendary "The Sportswriters on TV" show with Bill Jauss, Bill Gleason, Rick Telander et al.

Best line ever from that evening's show, "It's like trading 2 bags of manure for 1 bag of manure."
 
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Ope3 said:
With the 1982 Cal Griffith purge, Davis was the one piece returned that was already an established MLB player having been the set-up guy (and All Star) for Goose as a Yankee.
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As my friend Billy once mused, “Heavy is the head which wears the crown,”

Lots of great coordinators on football, end up boy having the skills or ability to be the top 🐶
Ope3 said:
That season and 1983 he was fine, but there was absolutely zero pressure as those Twins teams with the youth movement where not even remotely considered AL West contenders. Blowing a save here and there, no biggie. Looking at the link I provided his Walk total was manageable.
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I respectively disagree on the walk totals, especially when buttressing this point with totals from other Twins’ pen luminaries (Walks Per 9 as Twins, per baseball reference) -

Everyday Eddie - 3.4
Hot Dog (Nathan) - 2.6
Aggie - 2.3
Bedrock - 2.2 (Surprised as Bedrock always looked so intense on the hill)

Have you forget the MetroDome’s admonishment that “Walks Will Haunt 👻 “


Ope3 said:
1984 with the arrival of Puckett, they unexpectedly found themselves in contention for a pretty mediocre Division title. The blown saves were magnified and even when successful, there was hardly ever a clean inning. Always a tightrope.

It culminated with the epic meltdown against Cleveland. Jamie Quirk.
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Thanks for the trip😊. The song always pops in my head in instances like this -


Ope3 said:
Having tasted near success the following season the issues snowballed until the incredibly bad 1986. Both the roof and Davis collapsed in an April game against the Angels. Finally they pulled the plug on RD, eventually trading him to the Cubs for George Frazier and Ray Fontenot.

I happened to be in Chicago when the 1986 trade when down and watched their legendary "The Sportswriters on TV" show with Bill Jauss, Bill Gleason, Rick Telander et al.

Best line ever from that evening's show, "It's like trading 2 bags of manure for 1 bag of manure."
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Epic chuckles in Queens
 

In case you were wondering why you should still pay attention to the Twins, history is being chased by Matt Wallner. Having reached 20 HR’s, he is currently the player with the least amount of RBI’s having reached that mark. Who’s he chasing/avoiding?

Joey Gallo, who just two short years ago with the Twins hit 21 HR’s with 40 RBI’s. Can Wallner get five more RBI’s in the next 24 games to climb to 40 and tie Gallo’s ignominious record? Or will he have it all for himself? Stay tuned!
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
I respectively disagree on the walk totals, especially when buttressing this point with totals from other Twins’ pen luminaries (Walks Per 9 as Twins, per baseball reference) -

Everyday Eddie - 3.4
Hot Dog (Nathan) - 2.6
Aggie - 2.3
Bedrock - 2.2 (Surprised as Bedrock always looked so intense on the hill)

Have you forget the MetroDome’s admonishment that “Walks Will Haunt 👻 “
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I'm not sure what the disagreement is. RD in 1983 walked 33 in 89, so 3.3/9.

Not great but relative to his other Twins seasons, at least manageable, for a team all they were trying to do was avoid the cellar in the AL West, which they did.
 

Ope3 said:
I'm not sure what the disagreement is. RD in 1983 walked 33 in 89, so 3.3/9.
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My comments, including his 4.4 per 9 innings walks were for his career as a twin, as were the other career walk numbers posted for other relievers I cited. My comments, which you replied to weren’t parsing it by season, but the overall RD Experience! (These are my original comments, copied below) -

RD’s 4.4 walks per nine during his Twins’ 5 year tenure, traumatized one kid from Alex and still causes another to chuckle.

His downfall wasn’t in 83, and that was the only year of the five he pitched for the Twins where it was under 4 per 9.

I find anything over 3.5 suspect and anything over >+4.0 atrocious.
Ope3 said:
Not great but relative to his other Twins seasons, at least manageable, for a team all they were trying to do was avoid the cellar in the AL West, which they did.
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This is no big flipping deal to me, just someone reminiscing - it doesn’t matter to me if I’m Right or Wrong on anonymous chatroom, just a way to kill some time 😊
 
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Gopher_In_NYC said:
My comments, including his 4.4 per 9 innings walks were for his career as a twin, as were the other career walk numbers posted for other relievers I cited. My comments, which you replied to weren’t parsing it by season, but the overall RD Experience! (These are my original comments, copied below) -

RD’s 4.4 walks per nine during his Twins’ 5 year tenure, traumatized one kid from Alex and still causes another to chuckle.

His downfall wasn’t in 83, and that was the only year of the five he pitched for the Twins where it was under 4 per 9.

I find anything over 3.5 suspect and anything over >+4.0 atrocious.

This is no big flipping deal to me, just someone reminiscing - it doesn’t matter to me if I’m Right or Wrong on anonymous chatroom, just a way to kill some time 😊
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I think we are agreeing to agree with each other. 1983 (and 1982) RD was fine, no great shakes, given the level of expectations of the Twins as a whole.

1984-86, brutal. Walks were a large part of it. He also had 4 HBPs in those seasons.
 
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Ope3 said:
I think we are agreeing to agree with other. 1983 (and 1982) RD was fine, no great shakes, given the level of expectations of the Twins as a whole.

1984-86, brutal. Walks were a large part of it. He also had 4 HBPs in those seasons.
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Sounds good to me😎
 

Clearly on purpose in my opinion. You don’t react like that if it was an accident.

 

Apparently starting pitchers decided to be a-holes all of a sudden.

 

And just like that they are behind in the 9th
 


TRF Guy said:
And just like that they are behind in the 9th
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Wow, the White Sox had lost 205 straight games when trailing after 8 innings until tonight.

Perhaps the Twins dealing their Top 5 bullpen arms was not the best idea.

I miss Ron Davis.
 


One would have assumed they cleared out all the dog turds after Bark In The Park, but nope. Twins stepped right in it.
 

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