Yeah it really didn’t matter. Either you play fire with guys going through the line-up a third time or you trot out you 2nd worst bullpen to get 12 outs. The problem is not pulling the pitchers it’s the trash that they are replaced with.So the people who complain about Rocco pulling guys too early you get it now?
Also there is a difference between Dylan Bundy and Sonny Grey / Joe Ryan.So the people who complain about Rocco pulling guys too early you get it now?
That's a big surprise. Probably has to due with money. Hader will get somewhere around $15-17M next year.Whoa?
The Padres have picked up closer Josh Hader from the Brewers.
Brewers will get four players in return - including....Taylor Rogers. Also a major-league pitcher and two prospects.
Sell, we are total pretenders and Correa is opting out.I can understand either argument for buying (first place team; weak division) or selling (pitching lol) at this point. Personally, I stated about a month ago that the Twins should be sellers and nothing has changed for me. IMO, the Twins could deplete the farm system in trading for Ohtani or Soto and they still wouldn't be true contenders with their bullpen.
I saw a tweet referencing the Braves run after the all-star break last year as to why the Twins should be buying at the deadline which made me laugh. The Braves had a legitimate 1-2 punch for both pitching and hitting that carried them.
Max Friedman went 7-0 in 11 Aug/Sept starts and went at least 6 IP in every start. He had a sub 1.50 era in those starts. Charlie Morton also made 11 starts (4-3 record) and went at least 6 IP in 9 of those starts. He had a sub 2.85 era. Do we have any confidence in any Twins starters to have an Aug/Sept like either Friedman or Morton?
Offensively, Freddie Freeman and Austin Riley were very good during Aug/Sept. They both hit north of .300 in 200+ at-bats with 25 doubles, 19 HRs, 66 RBIs, and 24 walks. The Twins have the potential for this type of offensive output if any of their 2-4 hitters breakout of their July slump.
Buxton: 74 at-bats, .189/.259/.486, and 30 Ks
Correa: 80 at-bats, .175/.264/.350 and 15 Ks
Polanco: 73 at-bats, .205/.372/.479 and 19 Ks
The Twins need to make a choice to either buy or sell as I think doing neither makes no sense. As I mentioned earlier, I think the Twins should sell and try to move most of their tenured players. You're only going to be able to net low tier prospects for guys like Pagan, Bundy, Sanchez, and Smith.
Depending on the market, you may get mid-tier prospect returns given their current performance (Archer, Megill, Cotton) or their experience and performances last year (Duffey, Thielbar).
The potential for high-tier prospects would be for guys like Correa (who we all know is opting out to get a 9 figure deal) and Sonny Gray (Club option for 2023). Correa's return would be less given the short-term rental but teams desperate for hitting and pitching will pay a higher premium as the trade market dwindles. If the Twins wanted to go full rebuild (unlikely), they could entertain offers for Buxton and Joe Ryan.
I'm in the camp to get as many mid-tier to high-tier prospects as possible and then package them for a legitimate and controllable #1/#2 SP depending on the asking price. Then look to stregthen the bullpen through FA. A reunion with Ryan Pressly perhaps if he'd be open to a setup role. A Jax/Moran (if he can get control in order) 7th, Pressly 8th and Duran 9th would be an upgrade. Obviously would need SP capable of going longer than 5 IP and a manager that gives them the chance when they earn it.
Be curious to hear what you guys think.
to ever be taken seriously, they have to get some pitching. If this is the pitching the twins are doomed too, forever, because they are the twins, then shut it down.Twins have to buy...they're in first place
Do we need to be MORE in first place to be buyers? I don't understand the loser mentality so much. We're so used to "wait for next year," "at least we get a better draft pick," "get prospects and build for the future" that once we actually are in first place we panic?
The twins are the twins...they're not going to be a team who constantly has a chance at the playoffs so when we have that chance let's roll with it.
We don't have anything to sell. Certainly not going to get rid of players that are under contract next season. Sanchez, Duffey or Smith are the only free agents and they aren't going to get a whole lot of return for them. And there's no way they will trade Correa.Sell, we are total pretenders and Correa is opting out.
Trade Correa and sell whatever is deemed neccessary.
You'd get something for Correa from a big market. They don't care about prospects.They are not going to get anything for Correa. Every team knows he’s going to opt out at year and and you can only sign him long term for around $300 million. Plus no one wants position players everyone wants pitching at the deadline.
Just hold fast or make a couple of minor pitching moves and be done with it. Hopefully it’s enough to win the division and left swept in the playoffs again.
The only Twins prospect ranked higher than the highest ranked prospect in the trade is Royce Lewis. And it's clear Oakland wanted pitching. The Twins top pitching prospect has a 10.80 ERA in the minors right now. Teams want pitching prospects. Unfortunately many of the Twins pitching prospects have either been hurt a lot or haven't developed.The Twins always claim the price is too high and we almost always find it it wasn't.