All Things 2022 Minnesota Twins In-Season Thread

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Agree to disagree.

Have no problem with Ryan being pulled. It was the right call.
They are toast and not in contention for the division or the WC. Get a reliever going and let Ryan go out there and pitch until he gives up a hit and then pull him. If he pitches 115+ pitches, slide his next start or skip it completely. What does it matter at this point? What good pitcher is going to want to come here if this is how we treat our pitchers? Lord knows we are inept at home growing pitching talent.
 

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I mean there’s no chance Ryan gets through all 9 but treating this like a normal 6-0 game has to be a let down. The team needed a boost but instead this will almost feel like a loss because of how it was handled.
Ryan looked pissed. Why would any pitcher sign a contract or an extension with this brain trust?
 

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I was at that one. The crowd was pretty angry when Ryan was pulled, angrier when the 3 run rally happened.
 

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They are toast and not in contention for the division or the WC. Get a reliever going and let Ryan go out there and pitch until he gives up a hit and then pull him. If he pitches 115+ pitches, slide his next start or skip it completely. What does it matter at this point? What good pitcher is going to want to come here if this is how we treat our pitchers? Lord knows we are inept at home growing pitching talent.

He was going to have 115 pitches 1 or 2 batters into the 8th. There was zero chance he was going to finish the game regardless. There was no point in letting him go any longer.

It's not just about this season either, it's not like the Twins have any long term pitching injuries right now or anything.
 




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Not Twins related but the Brewers are now only 2 games behind San Diego for the last wild card spot in the NL. I would love to see the Padres not make it after that blockbuster trade.
 

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Not Twins related but the Brewers are now only 2 games behind San Diego for the last wild card spot in the NL. I would love to see the Padres not make it after that blockbuster trade.
Not just Soto going in the tank but Josh Hader being essentially unusable is particularly baffling.

Saw him in Fenway on July 29 close out a win for the Brewers, told the 2 Red Sox fans next to me how "lights out" he was and that the game was over as he warmed up in the nearby bullpen. He was that night. They must think I am crazy now.
 

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Not Twins related but the Brewers are now only 2 games behind San Diego for the last wild card spot in the NL. I would love to see the Padres not make it after that blockbuster trade.

Guess they won’t for the manager this time?
Their GM must be terrified
 



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Reading between the lines, it appears Tyler Mahle's 2022 season is most likely over.

Regarding Byron Buxton, whatever procedure he is going to have for his knee/hip long term, I would suggest doing to ASAP to enhance his chance of being ready for Opening Day 2023.

No idea if 3 extra weeks would help, but couldn't hurt.

 

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If Ryan wants to pitch deeper into games, and have a chance at a complete game, he has to find a way to be more efficient. 106 pitchers in 7 innings is a little over 15 pitches per inning. that's 135 pitches for 9 innings. outside of a Verlander, or someone of that stature, no team is going to let a starter throw that many pitches in a game. So Ryan has to have some 10-pitch innings mixed in.

the big issue - Ryan had over 30 foul balls hit off him by KC batters. He has to find a way to turn those into swing-and-miss pitches, or have balls put in play that can become ground-outs or fly outs. If he had 10 fewer foul balls, now you're talking 96 pitches through 7. in that case, he definitely gets the 8th inning.
 


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Breaking news - it appears the Twins are putting Randy Dobnak on waivers.

sounds like this is a procedural move. Dobnak has been on the 60-day IL and then on a rehab assignment. at some point, the Twins would have to reinstate him to the 40-man roster. He has not pitched well in his rehab assignment at St. Paul, so it sound like they are waiving him so they don't have to put him on the 40-man roster.

further speculation that this could lead to some kind of buyout of his future contract options. unless another team claims him.......................insert laughter here.........................
 



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Breaking news - it appears the Twins are putting Randy Dobnak on waivers.

sounds like this is a procedural move. Dobnak has been on the 60-day IL and then on a rehab assignment. at some point, the Twins would have to reinstate him to the 40-man roster. He has not pitched well in his rehab assignment at St. Paul, so it sound like they are waiving him so they don't have to put him on the 40-man roster.

further speculation that this could lead to some kind of buyout of his future contract options. unless another team claims him.......................insert laughter here.........................
Uber is hiring....

He cashed in while he could and is set for life. And Jim Pohlad loses more in the sofa cushions, so good for him.
 

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He was going to have 115 pitches 1 or 2 batters into the 8th. There was zero chance he was going to finish the game regardless. There was no point in letting him go any longer.

It's not just about this season either, it's not like the Twins have any long term pitching injuries right now or anything.
You give him the 8th and yank him if he gives up a hit. If not, you then make a big decision about the 9th.
 

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You give him the 8th and yank him if he gives up a hit. If not, you then make a big decision about the 9th.

If he's allowed to pitch a no hitter last night, he ends up with 130+ pitches. That's something no competent MLB organization will allow their rookie, and best young starting pitcher to do when he's now pitched more innings in a season than he ever has in is career, with several starts left to go. It's completely shortsighted just for a 1 game accolade.
 


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Back-to-back 7 inning nights by their Starting Pitchers, Ryan & Gray.

As legendary Durham Bulls Pitching Coach Larry Hockett once said, "It's a miracle!"
 

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If he's allowed to pitch a no hitter last night, he ends up with 130+ pitches. That's something no competent MLB organization will allow their rookie, and best young starting pitcher to do when he's now pitched more innings in a season than he ever has in is career, with several starts left to go. It's completely shortsighted just for a 1 game accolade.
Probably but it's not absolute he needed 130 pitches. It was 6-0. He could afford to throw strikes and try to keep the pitch count down if they wanted to give him a shot.
 

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Uber is hiring....

He cashed in while he could and is set for life. And Jim Pohlad loses more in the sofa cushions, so good for him.

Wonder what LaVelle’s cut is after pimping him that spring training in the Strib when he’d added his $9.25M slider - it was labeled as unhittable.
 

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Probably but it's not absolute he needed 130 pitches. It was 6-0. He could afford to throw strikes and try to keep the pitch count down if they wanted to give him a shot.

And the Royals could have kept fouling them off, like they were doing all night which is how he got to the high pitch count in the first place.

He had a big lead in the 6th/7th and only threw 5 balls in those two innings combined, yet it took him 19 and 15 pitches respectively to complete them.
 

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well, by Monday, we will know for sure whether the season is over.

Twins are 5 games back with 21 games left to play. 5-game series with Cleveland starting Friday.

even if the Twins win 3 of the 5 games, they're still 4 back with 15 games to play.

So, the Twins pretty much have to win 4 of the 5 games to have a shot. that puts them 2 games back, with all their remaining games against the Royals, Tigers, White Sox and Angels.

it's a long shot, to say the least. but it will give us something to do while we wait for Gopher Hoops, the Wolves and the Wild to start playing.
 

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well, by Monday, we will know for sure whether the season is over.

Twins are 5 games back with 21 games left to play. 5-game series with Cleveland starting Friday.

even if the Twins win 3 of the 5 games, they're still 4 back with 15 games to play.

So, the Twins pretty much have to win 4 of the 5 games to have a shot. that puts them 2 games back, with all their remaining games against the Royals, Tigers, White Sox and Angels.

it's a long shot, to say the least. but it will give us something to do while we wait for Gopher Hoops, the Wolves and the Wild to start playing.
Unless two or more of Buxton, Arreaz, Polanco Larnach and Jeffers become available for this series, they're cooked. But I'm guessing they all need "a few more days". Can't rush them.
 


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So let me get this right. It’s 1st and 2nd with no outs in the 9th. The batter is almost certain to bunt. I have a pitcher that throws 103. Rather than calling for a fastball up high I’m gonna call an 86 mph splitter that’s dives down and is able to be hunter easier.

Whoever puts there pitching game-plans is just nonsensical.
 

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So let me get this right. It’s 1st and 2nd with no outs in the 9th. The batter is almost certain to bunt. I have a pitcher that throws 103. Rather than calling for a fastball up high I’m gonna call an 86 mph splitter that’s dives down and is able to be hunter easier.

Whoever puts there pitching game-plans is just nonsensical.

We won Abner
Chill on the 🍺
 

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Bailey Ober slated to start game 1 in Cleveland tonight, after more than 100 days on the shelf.
 



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So let me get this right. It’s 1st and 2nd with no outs in the 9th. The batter is almost certain to bunt. I have a pitcher that throws 103. Rather than calling for a fastball up high I’m gonna call an 86 mph splitter that’s dives down and is able to be hunter easier.

Whoever puts there pitching game-plans is just nonsensical.
I think I saw that Duran threw 3 fastballs and 18 breaking balls last night. Insane.
 




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