All Things 2021 Minnesota Vikings Off-Season Thread

[JimmyJamesMD]

So is Peterson going to play safety? If not, what's the order of the depth chart?

1. Breeland
2. Peterson
3. Dantzler
4. Alexander

Also are we just waiting to cut Gladney?

they should probably stop using first rounders on Corners

 

[TruthSeeker]

they should probably stop using first rounders on Corners

Definitely. 538 had a column about a month ago that talked about the most valuable positions in the first round.

The top 5 are QB, LT, Egde, WR, and RT. Notice, they're all postitions that most influence a successful passing down. QB was number by far.

Of all 18 positions categorized, CB was 12th on the list.

It's basically a worthless position to draft in Round 1.

 

[MplsGopher]

Definitely. 538 had a column about a month ago that talked about the most valuable positions in the first round.

The top 5 are QB, LT, Egde, WR, and RT. Notice, they're all postitions that most influence a successful passing down. QB was number by far.

Of all 18 positions categorized, CB was 12th on the list.

It's basically a worthless position to draft in Round 1.

Especially when your's punches his gf.

 

[GFBfan]

Definitely. 538 had a column about a month ago that talked about the most valuable positions in the first round.

The top 5 are QB, LT, Egde, WR, and RT. Notice, they're all postitions that most influence a successful passing down. QB was number by far.

Of all 18 positions categorized, CB was 12th on the list.

It's basically a worthless position to draft in Round 1.

I can see those 5 being the top ones, but a CB would be right up there with determining the success on a passing down so the 12 ranking doesn't seem to fit for a CB.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

I think the theory is that a strong pass rush protects your CB's. From the Vikes' point of view, a great DE like Hunter is more valuable than a CB, because the QB has less time to read the defense and make a good throw if he's running for his life.

if you have a strong pass rush, you can get by with average play at CB. If you don't have a pass rush, your CB's are going to get picked apart no matter how good they are.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Safeties are more valuable than CBs. So are Centers.

Lots of positions are more valuable.

 

[MplsGopher]

Safeties are more valuable than CBs. So are Centers.

Lots of positions are more valuable.

I'm sure you're not wrong .... but then why is the Nickle defense so popular these days?

 

[TruthSeeker]

I'm sure you're not wrong .... but then why is the Nickle defense so popular these days?

You still need a corner to cover a WR.

 

[Spaulding!No!]

Arog still a packer.

 

[stocker08]

Arog still a packer.

Wow! Still duping the Twin Cities media and helping to influence the draft. What a team player.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

From the Sporting News website -

timing of Rodgers trade has financial implications for Pack -

Before June, trading Rodgers would have forced the Packers to take a dead money hit of $38.356 million and also counted another $1.154 million against their salary cap.

Now should Rodgers get dealt, that dead money would be spread between 2021 and 2022, with a hit of $21.152 million this year and another hit of $17.204 million next year. The big difference in a post June 1 trade comes in saving $16.05 million toward this year's salary cap.

 

[howeda7]

Come on George Patton and the Broncos....make the deal. This year's 1st-Patrick Surtain, next year's 1st and the Packers choice of Drew Lock or Teddy.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

FWIW - apparently the NFL is allowing players to opt out of the 2021 season due to covid-related concerns. But, you have to declare by July 2nd.

So, there is some thought that Rodgers could go this route to really screw the Pack. he opts out and the Pack is still on the hook for about $18-million in guaranteed money.

The question is whether Rodgers would willingly sit out a season at his age.

 

[forever a gopher]

FWIW - apparently the NFL is allowing players to opt out of the 2021 season due to covid-related concerns. But, you have to declare by July 2nd.

So, there is some thought that Rodgers could go this route to really screw the Pack. he opts out and the Pack is still on the hook for about $18-million in guaranteed money.

The question is whether Rodgers would willingly sit out a season at his age.

Why would he be paid if he voluntarily sits out? According to this article, his contract would get extended one year, and he’d only get a nominal stipend of $150k if he opts out in 2021. If his specific contract says otherwise, please correct me. But according to below, it doesn’t really look like a viable option. It seems his best option is to go Carson Palmer style and retire, and GB either lets him rot in retirement out of spite, or deal him and get a nice haul in return.

The contract for any player who opts out will toll at the end of the year and all provisions of the 2021 contract will become applicable to 2022. For players under contract beyond 2021, all subsequent years will be extended.

https://www.usnews.com/news/sports/...-voluntarily-opt-out-get-no-stipend-this-year

 

[howeda7]

He doesn't get paid and he's not sitting out a year at 37. I predict he's either traded or they have a kumbaya press conference by next Friday.

 

[Spaulding!No!]

Wow! Still duping the Twin Cities media and helping to influence the draft. What a team player.

Still a Packer.

 

[MplsGopher]

The question is whether Rodgers would willingly sit out a season at his age.

Not risk his health -- concussions, torn knee, torn shoulder, broken bones -- and still get paid? Live to fight another day? Are the Pack in serious contention for a title this year?

Seems reasonable to me.

I think he wants to get home in California, or at least closer to home, to finish his career.

 

[MplsGopher]

Come on George Patton and the Broncos....make the deal. This year's 1st-Patrick Surtain, next year's 1st and the Packers choice of Drew Lock or Teddy.

Elway, Manning, and Rodgers Super Bowl victories.

If I was a Bronc's fan ... hell yes I'd take that deal. The SB, let alone winning it, is the ultimate goal for a fanbase. Take it from Vikings fans, there is no damn guarantee you'll even get there in your lifetime. Sad as that is.

 

[MplsGopher]

He doesn't get paid and he's not sitting out a year at 37.

Doesn't need the money and it saves a year of wear on his body and potentially avoids a career ending injury for a team that probably won't win a title. And he can make money doing other things, plenty of it.

Not saying you're wrong, just saying your argument isn't a lock (though perfectly valid and could be correct).

 

[short ornery norwegian]

Why would he be paid if he voluntarily sits out? According to this article, his contract would get extended one year, and he’d only get a nominal stipend of $150k if he opts out in 2021. If his specific contract says otherwise, please correct me. But according to below, it doesn’t really look like a viable option. It seems his best option is to go Carson Palmer style and retire, and GB either lets him rot in retirement out of spite, or deal him and get a nice haul in return.


https://www.usnews.com/news/sports/...-voluntarily-opt-out-get-no-stipend-this-year

Mike Florio - from NBC Sports -

Article titled "Aaron Rodgers has an opt-out Silver Bullet for 2021"

States that Rodgers has a clause in his contract where he would still receive some payments if he opts out.

This includes, most notably, Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers. By next Friday, July 2, he can pull the plug on the 2021 season. It would be a permanent and irrevocable decision, but he can do it.

The benefit to doing so comes from the fact that he would not forfeit $11.5 million in unearned signing bonus money for 2021 if he opts out. Also, he presumably would still receive the payments on the $6.8 million roster bonus that he earned in March, and that is due to be paid out in weekly installments during the season.

That’s $18.3 million that he’ll keep by opting out. If he doesn’t opt out but holds out, he loses that $18.3 million — and would be fined roughly $2 million on top of it for skipping training camp.

 

[stocker08]

Still a Packer.

Think of all the damage he's causing to other teams. Not the Packers! All part of the plan.

 

[stocker08]

Mike Florio - from NBC Sports -

Article titled "Aaron Rodgers has an opt-out Silver Bullet for 2021"

States that Rodgers has a clause in his contract where he would still receive some payments if he opts out.

This includes, most notably, Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers. By next Friday, July 2, he can pull the plug on the 2021 season. It would be a permanent and irrevocable decision, but he can do it.

The benefit to doing so comes from the fact that he would not forfeit $11.5 million in unearned signing bonus money for 2021 if he opts out. Also, he presumably would still receive the payments on the $6.8 million roster bonus that he earned in March, and that is due to be paid out in weekly installments during the season.

That’s $18.3 million that he’ll keep by opting out. If he doesn’t opt out but holds out, he loses that $18.3 million — and would be fined roughly $2 million on top of it for skipping training camp.

I saw this a few days ago. But don't worry.....spaulding is sure that this is all to doop the TC media. An elaborate prank with no end game.

 

[Spaulding!No!]

I saw this a few days ago. But don't worry.....spaulding is sure that this is all to doop the TC media. An elaborate prank with no end game.

It was a sweet False flag. Well played Pack.

 

[stocker08]

It was a sweet False flag. Well played Pack.

That did nothing but create turmoil within the organization. A brilliant plan.

 

[BleedGopher]

Ranking the NFL's top 10 running backs for 2021: Execs, coaches, players make their picks​

3. Dalvin Cook, Minnesota Vikings​

Highest ranking: 1 | Lowest ranking: 7
Age: 25 | Last year's ranking: 6

Cook followed a contract extension with his best season yet, posting career highs in attempts (312), rushing yards (1,557), rushing touchdowns (16) and yards per carry (5.0).

He did all this despite missing two games. A full season would have pushed him closer to an 1,800-yard clip.

"I always look for versatility -- catch the ball out of the backfield, run outside the tackles and display explosive traits," said an AFC exec who voted Cook at No. 1. "Cook exhibits that better than anyone else."

Cook's 91 rushing first downs are second to Henry's 98 despite 66 fewer carries (378 to 312). He has caught at least 40 passes in each of the past three years and is a one-cut dynamo in the red zone, producing 222 yards on 58 carries inside the 20, highest among backs with more than 30 red zone attempts.

Ranking the NFL's best running backs: Henry, Kamara, Cook or McCaffrey at No. 1?

We asked more than 50 GMs, coaches, scouts and players for their top running backs, with the Titans' MVP candidate landing at No. 1.

www.espn.com

Skol Vikes!!

 

[TruthSeeker]

Really good player.

He makes too much. Good for him. Bad deal given by the Vikings.

 

[JimmyJamesMD]

Vikings are going to be good this season if they get decent play from their new LT and RG rookies

 

[stocker08]

Vikings are going to be good this season if they get decent play from their new LT and RG rookies

The Vikings are Super Bowl contenders every single year.....if their OL is good. And it's never good.

 

[Ogee Ogilthorpe]

Vikings are going to be good this season if they get decent play from their new LT and RG rookies

I think the Vikings will surprise this year. The defense will be markedly better, and the OL could/should be somewhat improved.

Don't sleep on Rashod Hill beating out the 1st rounder Darrisaw for the starting LT gig, at least to start with in Week One. Hill is a pretty decent player and if he's improved, it could make it tough for Darrisaw to take that spot to start the season.

 

[howeda7]

I think the Vikings will surprise this year. The defense will be markedly better, and the OL could/should be somewhat improved.

Don't sleep on Rashod Hill beating out the 1st rounder Darrisaw for the starting LT gig, at least to start with in Week One. Hill is a pretty decent player and if he's improved, it could make it tough for Darrisaw to take that spot to start the season.

Would it even be a surprise at this point? It seems everyone is hyping them up. As jaded MN sports fans, we should tamp this down ASAP!