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Madison campus and UofM campus are not that much different, same with education, big school draw etc. I just think Wisconsin has that history and personally I think the Barn is a dump with a bunch of 70 year old clinging to the old days. The atmosphere at the Kohl center is so much better.
 

abrams said:
Madison campus and UofM campus are not that much different, same with education, big school draw etc. I just think Wisconsin has that history and personally I think the Barn is a dump with a bunch of 70 year old clinging to the old days. The atmosphere at the Kohl center is so much better.
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Kohl center has a great atmosphere. I wouldn't say it's so much better if you would consider the Barn's atmosphere when we are a top 25 team in the country. But Dinky town and Madison are completely different...
 



abrams said:
Madison campus and UofM campus are not that much different, same with education, big school draw etc. I just think Wisconsin has that history and personally I think the Barn is a dump with a bunch of 70 year old clinging to the old days. The atmosphere at the Kohl center is so much better.
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I do think the schools prestige wise are very close. Nearly every metric is comparable, especially acceptance rates. Atmosphere of the campus, Madison has more of a college feel but that is not always a advantage. Whatever got done there can be done here but it does have to be done by a really special builder that believes in bloodletting defense and highly efficient offense with loads of high character kids. Both programs will always be better fit for the coaches vision. It is not a avalanche of great kids from Minnesota that went to UW but the 5 that made a huge difference have not been countered by anyone from Wisconsin going to Minnesota. They also scouted and developed in extraordinary ways by over emphasis on intangible skills to get kids that were mistake free. They believed that the other team often beats themselves. Love or hate them it is really obvious to a certain genius that from day one was built with a vision and purpose and established a identity that would become their brand. They did it in football to as Alvarez talked openly about building a identity in the trenches and playing mistake free. In so many ways UW was a larger dumpster fire than the U, BUT 20 years of success has buried all of it. For nearly 50 years i have watched coach after coach here never establish a identity that became the brand, the thing you were known for. I have tracked for decades how programs that are not blue bloods get that done.
 


builtbadgers said:
I do think the schools prestige wise are very close. Nearly every metric is comparable, especially acceptance rates. Atmosphere of the campus, Madison has more of a college feel but that is not always a advantage. Whatever got done there can be done here but it does have to be done by a really special builder that believes in bloodletting defense and highly efficient offense with loads of high character kids. Both programs will always be better fit for the coaches vision. It is not a avalanche of great kids from Minnesota that went to UW but the 5 that made a huge difference have not been countered by anyone from Wisconsin going to Minnesota. They also scouted and developed in extraordinary ways by over emphasis on intangible skills to get kids that were mistake free. They believed that the other team often beats themselves. Love or hate them it is really obvious to a certain genius that from day one was built with a vision and purpose and established a identity that would become their brand. They did it in football to as Alvarez talked openly about building a identity in the trenches and playing mistake free. In so many ways UW was a larger dumpster fire than the U, BUT 20 years of success has buried all of it. For nearly 50 years i have watched coach after coach here never establish a identity that became the brand, the thing you were known for. I have tracked for decades how programs that are not blue bloods get that done.
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Wiscy has gotten more central support, and I think college town is benefit. Until recently better facilities, and I'd suspect many young recruits prefer Kohl center. Kill had similar vision to alvarez but not enough time to get to his vision.

Back to 2019 I'm optimistic on recruit front
 

abrams said:
Madison campus and UofM campus are not that much different, same with education, big school draw etc. I just think Wisconsin has that history and personally I think the Barn is a dump with a bunch of 70 year old clinging to the old days. The atmosphere at the Kohl center is so much better.
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Kohl Center is a Socialists paradise. Cement mausoleum and they cut corners everywhere they could. Extremely narrow entry ways into the seated area. I'll take our dump over that mausoleum any day, just as Badgers fans would take Camp Randall over TCF any day.
 

Kohl center reminds me of Target Center nothing special. The crowd was great but the arena so so.
 

Am the only one that does not understand why people are worried about Wahl getting an offer from Wisco? With all due respect to Wahl who seems like a nice young man, he fits absoulutely no need for our team. His true position in HS is probably a 4, but he is way undersized for that position at the next level. I don't like him as a 3 either(where he would also be a little undersized). He would have to be a 3 at the next level but he can't shoot(I think a little less than 30% from three). As for positives, he plays hard, is a natural leader and passes well for a player his size.

Hard pass on this kid. He might do great things for Wisconsin, but he does nothing for me that shouts Pitino needs to offer him.
 



He is a glue guy....

Frank Grimey Grimes said:
Am the only one that does not understand why people are worried about Wahl getting an offer from Wisco? With all due respect to Wahl who seems like a nice young man, he fits absoulutely no need for our team. His true position in HS is probably a 4, but he is way undersized for that position at the next level. I don't like him as a 3 either(where he would also be a little undersized). He would have to be a 3 at the next level but he can't shot(I think a little less than 30% from three). As for positives, he plays hard, is a natural leader and passes well for a player his size.

Hard pass on this kid. He might do great things for Wisconsin, but he does nothing for me that shouts Pitino needs to offer him.
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And may well work into a Coffey like 3 man. I think they should offer, but....they haven’t asked my opinion.
 

Frank Grimey Grimes said:
Am the only one that does not understand why people are worried about Wahl getting an offer from Wisco? With all due respect to Wahl who seems like a nice young man, he fits absoulutely no need for our team. His true position in HS is probably a 4, but he is way undersized for that position at the next level. I don't like him as a 3 either(where he would also be a little undersized). He would have to be a 3 at the next level but he can't shoot(I think a little less than 30% from three). As for positives, he plays hard, is a natural leader and passes well for a player his size.

Hard pass on this kid. He might do great things for Wisconsin, but he does nothing for me that shouts Pitino needs to offer him.
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And miss out on the eventual "Would Tyler Wahl start for St. Thomas?" thread 2 years down the road?
 

MennoSota said:
Kohl Center is a Socialists paradise. Cement mausoleum and they cut corners everywhere they could. Extremely narrow entry ways into the seated area. I'll take our dump over that mausoleum any day, just as Badgers fans would take Camp Randall over TCF any day.
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Building a facility as cheap as possible and charging as much as possible for tickets is full blown capitalism.


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leftyslefty said:
And may well work into a Coffey like 3 man. I think they should offer, but....they haven’t asked my opinion.
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Wahl doesn't have the offensive skills like Coffey, he's not as quick, average shooter, good defensively, he would be a great depth guy but I don't see him making a big impact.
 



Wahl would have a Michael Bauer type player for the U, good but not elite . . . I'm fine with that.
 

Bauer was twice the athlete Wahl is. Wahl has more skill. Bauer could jump out of the gym and he had a decent stroke from 3. He was not a good passer or ball handler.
 

march madness said:
Bauer was twice the athlete Wahl is. Wahl has more skill. Bauer could jump out of the gym and he had a decent stroke from 3. He was not a good passer or ball handler.
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But we have to compare him to another white guy!
 

march madness said:
Bauer was twice the athlete Wahl is. Wahl has more skill. Bauer could jump out of the gym and he had a decent stroke from 3. He was not a good passer or ball handler.
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Yea, people forget what an athlete Bauer was before that horrific leg break. He was an incredible jumper at Hastings.
 

Lots of D1 Minnesota filling it up from 3 throught their first 4 games in the Aiddas Gauntlet.
As a gopher fan I am very interested in these numbers.

Class of 2019
Name Height, makes/att
Neke Nnaji 6-10, 5-8 63%
Matthew H. 6-9, 5-12 42%
Tyrell Terry 6-3, 6-14 43%

And the bad...
Tyler Wahl 6-7, 1-8 12%.
 

jovs said:
I think Pitino completely missed on the 2017 class, there were four Minnesota kids that I think would have been better than Washington or Harris.
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From a CG/SG perspective, would certainly be hard to argue that Harris was a better target than Davison at this point.
 

justthefacts said:
From a CG/SG perspective, would certainly be hard to argue that Harris was a better target than Davison at this point.
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Shooting guard was not a priority at the time Davison committed.
 

Cayman said:
Shooting guard was not a priority at the time Davison committed.
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I must be forgetting something. What happened between Davison's commitment (Jul 11, 2016) and Harris's commitment (Sep 21, 2016.)
 

justthefacts said:
I must be forgetting something. What happened between Davison's commitment (Jul 11, 2016) and Harris's commitment (Sep 21, 2016.)
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Here's what happened during that time:

- First we panicked because a MN kid went to Wisconsin.
- Then we justified it saying he wasn't athletic enough to play in the Big Ten, even though we all knew he would be a perfect fit in the BT and would likely come back to haunt us for four years.
- Then we got excited about the recruitment of Harris.
- Then Harris committed and we convinced ourselves that we were happy that we got him over Davison
- Then a few months later Davison had a fantastic freshman year and also hurt Nate Mason.
- Then Harris transferred and Davison was named to the all freshman team.
- Then we apparently got an upgrade over Harris from Vandy who averaged 5 points a game.

I think that brings us to current.

Go Gophers!!
 

BleedGopher said:
Here's what happened during that time:

- First we panicked because a MN kid went to Wisconsin.
- Then we justified it saying he wasn't athletic enough to play in the Big Ten, even though we all knew he would be a perfect fit in the BT and would likely come back to haunt us for four years.
- Then we got excited about the recruitment of Harris.
- Then Harris committed and we convinced ourselves that we were happy that we got him over Davison
- Then a few months later Davison had a fantastic freshman year and also hurt Nate Mason.
- Then Harris transferred and Davison was named to the all freshman team.
- Then we apparently got an upgrade over Harris from Vandy who averaged 5 points a game.

I think that brings us to current.

Go Gophers!!
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Sadly a true list. And very funny.

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justthefacts said:
I must be forgetting something. What happened between Davison's commitment (Jul 11, 2016) and Harris's commitment (Sep 21, 2016.)
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We were after a point guard (Washington or Wright) and a big (Sims, John, Reuvers, French) for most of the 2017 recruiting cycle, probably so that we could ideally have experienced sophomores taking over the starting point guard and center roles in the 2018-19 season after the departures of Nate Mason and Reggie Lynch. Isaiah Washington is that point guard, and ideally Jericho Sims probably would have been the big man.

I presume we took Stockman in the spring, after Ahmad Gilbert transferred, to fill the “older experienced big man” role for 2018-19 that we originally planned to fill in the fall. Just days before Harris committed, French was scheduled for a visit, because the staff were still interested in filling that second scholarship with a big, but must have heard that Harris was interested in committing, and decided that a bird in the hand was worth 2 in the bush, and that a sharp shooter would make a solid addition to the roster, and that a scholarship might open up in the spring which they could fill with an experienced big man, which they did.

At the time Davison committed, Sims, John, and French were still on the board, and we still could have ended up with that PG/big 2 man class that was planned on. I don’t believe that taking two guards was the plan for most of that recruiting cycle, and by the time plans changed, Davison had been committed to Wisconsin for 2 months already. Thus, I don’t believe “Harris vs. Davison” was a choice the staff ever considered. We took Harris after Sims, John, and Reuvers committed to other schools, which in turn happened after Davison was committed.
 

BleedGopher said:
Here's what happened during that time:

- First we panicked because a MN kid went to Wisconsin.
- Then we justified it saying he wasn't athletic enough to play in the Big Ten, even though we all knew he would be a perfect fit in the BT and would likely come back to haunt us for four years.
- Then we got excited about the recruitment of Harris.
- Then Harris committed and we convinced ourselves that we were happy that we got him over Davison
- Then a few months later Davison had a fantastic freshman year and also hurt Nate Mason.
- Then Harris transferred and Davison was named to the all freshman team.
- Then we apparently got an upgrade over Harris from Vandy who averaged 5 points a game.

I think that brings us to current.

Go Gophers!!
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There's nothing better for creative writing than being a Gopher fan. Well done, sir.
 

Cayman said:
We were after a point guard (Washington or Wright) and a big (Sims, John, Reuvers, French) for most of the 2017 recruiting cycle, probably so that we could ideally have experienced sophomores taking over the starting point guard and center roles in the 2018-19 season after the departures of Nate Mason and Reggie Lynch. Isaiah Washington is that point guard, and ideally Jericho Sims probably would have been the big man.

I presume we took Stockman in the spring, after Ahmad Gilbert transferred, to fill the “older experienced big man” role for 2018-19 that we originally planned to fill in the fall. Just days before Harris committed, French was scheduled for a visit, because the staff were still interested in filling that second scholarship with a big, but must have heard that Harris was interested in committing, and decided that a bird in the hand was worth 2 in the bush, and that a sharp shooter would make a solid addition to the roster, and that a scholarship might open up in the spring which they could fill with an experienced big man, which they did.

At the time Davison committed, Sims, John, and French were still on the board, and we still could have ended up with that PG/big 2 man class that was planned on. I don’t believe that taking two guards was the plan for most of that recruiting cycle, and by the time plans changed, Davison had been committed to Wisconsin for 2 months already. Thus, I don’t believe “Harris vs. Davison” was a choice the staff ever considered. We took Harris after Sims, John, and Reuvers committed to other schools, which in turn happened after Davison was committed.
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Ah, I see where you're coming from. That's probably a more fair way to look at the way the cycle played out than to look at any recruiting spot through the lens of one particular position.
 

BleedGopher said:
Here's what happened during that time:

- First we panicked because a MN kid went to Wisconsin.
- Then we justified it saying he wasn't athletic enough to play in the Big Ten, even though we all knew he would be a perfect fit in the BT and would likely come back to haunt us for four years.
- Then we got excited about the recruitment of Harris.
- Then Harris committed and we convinced ourselves that we were happy that we got him over Davison
- Then a few months later Davison had a fantastic freshman year and also hurt Nate Mason.
- Then Harris transferred and Davison was named to the all freshman team.
- Then we apparently got an upgrade over Harris from Vandy who averaged 5 points a game.

I think that brings us to current.

Go Gophers!!
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It will be tough to say if Willis is an upgrade or not. Depends if you value a more athletic ball handler who can be a primary guard or someone who doesn't offer much athleticism, but is a solid shooter. Gabe is like Jamir, but can offer more in other areas.

Harris could have been a nice 3pt shooting threat in the future, but his lack of versatility would have limited him. Davison was a miss for the Gophers, but wasn't he always behind Washington and Wright in the pecking order?
 

SM_25 said:
It will be tough to say if Willis is an upgrade or not. Depends if you value a more athletic ball handler who can be a primary guard or someone who doesn't offer much athleticism, but is a solid shooter. Gabe is like Jamir, but can offer more in other areas.

Harris could have been a nice 3pt shooting threat in the future, but his lack of versatility would have limited him. Davison was a miss for the Gophers, but wasn't he always behind Washington and Wright in the pecking order?
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That is correct, it wasn't davision vs harris, it was davison vs wright/washington. Pitino preferred Wright.

Who knows if we would've gotten davision had we tried harder. He still ended up in Sconi
 

Good job

Cayman said:
We were after a point guard (Washington or Wright) and a big (Sims, John, Reuvers, French) for most of the 2017 recruiting cycle, probably so that we could ideally have experienced sophomores taking over the starting point guard and center roles in the 2018-19 season after the departures of Nate Mason and Reggie Lynch. Isaiah Washington is that point guard, and ideally Jericho Sims probably would have been the big man.

I presume we took Stockman in the spring, after Ahmad Gilbert transferred, to fill the “older experienced big man” role for 2018-19 that we originally planned to fill in the fall. Just days before Harris committed, French was scheduled for a visit, because the staff were still interested in filling that second scholarship with a big, but must have heard that Harris was interested in committing, and decided that a bird in the hand was worth 2 in the bush, and that a sharp shooter would make a solid addition to the roster, and that a scholarship might open up in the spring which they could fill with an experienced big man, which they did.

At the time Davison committed, Sims, John, and French were still on the board, and we still could have ended up with that PG/big 2 man class that was planned on. I don’t believe that taking two guards was the plan for most of that recruiting cycle, and by the time plans changed, Davison had been committed to Wisconsin for 2 months already. Thus, I don’t believe “Harris vs. Davison” was a choice the staff ever considered. We took Harris after Sims, John, and Reuvers committed to other schools, which in turn happened after Davison was committed.
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This is the most reasonable thing I've read on Gopherhole in a long time. I'm going to have to use the "search" function to find other comments you've written.
 

3 new 19 offers in Weems, Watts and Wright. First 2 are heavy Michigan State leans.
 

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