All Things 2014 Basketball Recruiting Thread

Yeah, we should list the countless exceptions to the rule and just ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of top 150 players are better than the next 150 players....

I would agree that the top 150 players are better than the next 150 players but that is likely because a minority of those top 150 players are much better than the rest. I don't know that I can agree with the "overwhelming majority" part without some clear empirical demonstration of that assertion which I'm pretty confident that neither you nor anyone else has. If one cares to take the time, it shouldn't be too hard to find quite a few players who were not in that top 150 who had better college careers than quite a few who were ranked somewhere in the lower third (or even lower half) of the top 150.

Rating recruits isn't a science - it's an art. There are no qualifying board exams, no controlled experiments, no authoritative literature, no set group of researchers always doing the scouting and rating, and what's most important - no legal liability for professional failures. Programs like Kentucky and Kansas that get the pick of the top 50 can pretty much ignore unranked players and feel pretty secure about it, but programs below the most elite tier probably shouldn't.
 

True, but Aaron Craft is a 5 star person. Aaron Craft is the epitome of a student-athlete. If I could start a team with any player, it would be Aaron Craft. I love Aaron Craft. Aaron Craft. Aaron Craft.
















Aaron Craft.

Is it weird that I read that in a John Madden voice?
 


True, but Aaron Craft is a 5 star person. Aaron Craft is the epitome of a student-athlete. If I could start a team with any player, it would be Aaron Craft. I love Aaron Craft. Aaron Craft. Aaron Craft.
















Aaron Craft.

Matt, Are you gettin' wood there boy?
 

I would agree that the top 150 players are better than the next 150 players but that is likely because a minority of those top 150 players are much better than the rest. I don't know that I can agree with the "overwhelming majority" part without some clear empirical demonstration of that assertion which I'm pretty confident that neither you nor anyone else has. If one cares to take the time, it shouldn't be too hard to find quite a few players who were not in that top 150 who had better college careers than quite a few who were ranked somewhere in the lower third (or even lower half) of the top 150.

Rating recruits isn't a science - it's an art. There are no qualifying board exams, no controlled experiments, no authoritative literature, no set group of researchers always doing the scouting and rating, and what's most important - no legal liability for professional failures. Programs like Kentucky and Kansas that get the pick of the top 50 can pretty much ignore unranked players and feel pretty secure about it, but programs below the most elite tier probably shouldn't.

A bunch of hub bub if you ask me.

The origin of this conversation was that the Gophers have not recruited a top 150 in a couple years. Then a bunch of people posted players that were great without being top 150 players. My post was sarcastic about ignoring the fact that Top 150 players have a far better success rate than non top 150 players. If someone wants to disagree with that, go talk to corner of your bedroom because I don't have the time to discuss this with you.

I would much rather have 4 top 150 players coming in than not. I would much rather have 1 top 150 player than none. The only reason we are defending non top 150 players is because we have 0 top 150 players.
 


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Gophers&src=hash">#Gophers</a> are involved with 2014 high 3-star D'Angelo Allen from Dallas. An option if something were to open up.</p>— Matt Gravett (@GravettMatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/GravettMatt/statuses/460153865287917571">April 26, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Gophers&src=hash">#Gophers</a> are involved with 2014 high 3-star D'Angelo Allen from Dallas. An option if something were to open up.</p>— Matt Gravett (@GravettMatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/GravettMatt/statuses/460153865287917571">April 26, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Something tells me that "something will open up". Where there's smoke there's fire.
 


I'd take Allen a heartbeat. Kid is exactly the type of wing player we need.

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Wow... He's athletic, that's for sure! He has a ton of really good offers though so I'd be very surprised if we got him.
 



Agree whether it is Allen, Justin Martin, or another wing I just have a feeling that the way our roster looks now isn't the same way it will look at the start of next season.

Looks like Allen is a 6'6 185lbs SF. http://247sports.com/Player/DAngelo-Allen-24028

I agree, I never thought Lofton would be the last player we sign. An experienced wing with a 3 point shot in his arsenal would be ideal, but it's hard not to like Allen also. Good job by Coach P. and staff of filling holes. I'm guessing we start moving up the B1G food chain with our November signings.
 



craft espn 4 star recruit. School list is more important than star rating.

Not always. Talented players with character/academic problems often won't get the offers their talent would lead you to expect. Also, if you wait until the spring some desperate teams who have scholarships to give might offer you even if you aren't as good as their typical recruits.
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Gophers&src=hash">#Gophers</a> are involved with 2014 high 3-star D'Angelo Allen from Dallas. An option if something were to open up.</p>— Matt Gravett (@GravettMatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/GravettMatt/statuses/460153865287917571">April 26, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Allen goes to Kimball HS...former Gopher Jayson Walton also went to Kimball. Just a little worthless info.
 

Allen goes to Kimball HS...former Gopher Jayson Walton also went to Kimball. Just a little worthless info.

So is Lofton signed or not? Seems like none of the big sites have him signed yet... Has there been any press from the U on Lofton? Trib called it but they are more of an echo chamber than a press out fit...

https://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesota/basketball/recruiting/commitments/2014
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/135
http://minnesota.scout.com/a.z?s=176&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&yr=2014
 

So is Lofton signed or not? Seems like none of the big sites have him signed yet... Has there been any press from the U on Lofton? Trib called it but they are more of an echo chamber than a press out fit...

https://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesota/basketball/recruiting/commitments/2014
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/135
http://minnesota.scout.com/a.z?s=176&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&yr=2014

recruiting sites usually don't count transfers as part of the recruiting class
 

There has been no official word on Lofton signing. I'm guessing his paper work is still being processed or the coaches have put him in a holding pattern for whatever reason.
 

When I guy really wants to be here and there is a delay it usually has to do with admissions, hope he gets in.
 




Allen goes to Kimball HS...former Gopher Jayson Walton also went to Kimball. Just a little worthless info.

If this doesn't tell ya coaches opinion on Buggs moving forward what do you make out of it?
 

I don't know much about Bradley, I'm sure they're great. It's just not very common for a top 100 recruit to commit to a mid-major

depends on what list you're looking at that puts him top 100 but there's several guys to smaller schools in 247's top 150
 


There has been no official word on Lofton signing. I'm guessing his paper work is still being processed or the coaches have put him in a holding pattern for whatever reason.

Do transfers from another 4 year school actually sign another letter of of intent ? I know JUCO transfers do , but I am not sure if a player can sign more than one in their career.
 

per Sid:

• Gophers basketball coach Richard Pitino was asked to describe his 2014 recruiting class of six players: “I think more than anything I think when we got here, we wanted to find a way to build kind of the way our team wants to play with athleticism, speed. I think we’ve successfully been able to do that. Year 1 certainly helped with the success that we had, it became a little easier talking to people about the year that we had. They saw us, they watched us. It’s never going to be easy, but it was certainly less difficult than when we arrived [in 2013], coming late to the party.”

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/257442361.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue

Go Gophers!!
 

STrib: Big recruiting class addresses Gophers' basketball needs

The Gophers propped up their frontcourt with a pair of power forwards and a center, who will need to be game-ready come 2015, after Elliott Eliason and Mo Walker have exhausted their eligibility. At the same time, the Gophers infused depth into a thinning backcourt that loses Austin Hollins, Maverick Ahanmisi and Malik Smith from this past season.

The Gophers’ biggest class since 2010 should increase competition for major rotation spots and reiterates Pitino’s tailored approach to recruiting that he first demonstrated a year ago. Some of the newbies will have to overachieve for this to be considered a truly successful class, but the identity Pitino is seeking is imminently clear in each of the six: versatile, athletic scorers who can run and shoot.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/257440611.html

Go Gophers!!
 

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Go Gophers!!
 

Do transfers from another 4 year school actually sign another letter of of intent ? I know JUCO transfers do , but I am not sure if a player can sign more than one in their career.

Originally Posted by MadtownGopher View Post

There has been no official word on Lofton signing. I'm guessing his paper work is still being processed or the coaches have put him in a holding pattern for whatever reason.

University of Minnesota head men's basketball coach Richard Pitino is pleased to announce the signing of three student-athletes, Gaston Diedhiou, Bakary Konate and Zach Lofton, to National Letters of Intent.

http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/042814aab.html
 




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