Al Nuness: Tyus Jones is better at the same level as Khalid

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Eighth Grader Draws Comparisons to El-Amin

Khalid El-Amin is a basketball legend in Minneapolis, even dating back to his playing days as a middle schooler, but eighth grader Tyus Jones, a starter this season for Apple Valley High School, is better than El-Amin at the same grade level, according to Al Nuness.

Nuness should know. His basketball background includes captain of the Gophers in the late 1960s, later an assistant coach for his alma mater and years of youth coaching with sons Jared and Jordan.

Nuness was close to El-Amin and his family. Coaching his son Jared’s youth teams, Nuness said he had to “plot against Khalid” trying to figure out the talented point guard who was short and stocky even back in eighth grade, and dominated games with his playmaking and scoring.

“Tyus is better at the same level as Khalid,” Nuness told Sports Headliners. “He is bigger and stronger. Passes better. His basketball I.Q. is just unbelievable. They don’t come along like him very often. He’s the real deal.”

Apple Valley’s season is just starting but the 6-foot Jones has helped the Eagles win their first four games. He had 15 points and 14 assists on Tuesday night in a win over Burnsville, according to http://www.avhoops.com/main.htm.

El-Amin is probably the best prep point guard ever to come out of the state. He led Connecticut to the 1999 national championship. El-Amin had the college basketball powers after him and changed a verbal commitment to the Gophers while in high school.

It looks like Jones won’t lack for attention, either. Gophers coach Tubby Smith is already scouting the eighth grader and you can bet other schools will be in pursuit.

Tyus’ dad, Robert, is Nuness’ nephew so Nuness knows the family. Nuness said Robert and his former wife Debbie (Tyus' mom) were both college basketball players, and that Tyus’ brother, Reggie Bunch, was a preseason All-American at Robert Morris College in Chicago.

Both Robert and Reggie are 6-foot-7, according to Nuness, who said Tyus already wears size 13 shoes. “He has a chance to be the size of a Jason Kidd at 6-4, 6-5,” Nuness said. “He’s a Division I prospect now (as an eighth grader).”

Nuness said Jones “needs work like anybody (that age) in defending,” but his overall game including shooting, passing, directing the team, plus his court demeanor, is already impressive. “He is so unassuming,” Nuness said. “He doesn’t care how many points he scores. His expression never changes, just a natural face. You can foul him, or knock him. His expression stays the same.”

Anytime Nuness walks into a gym, Jones comes over and gives him a hug. That impresses Nuness and so too does the athleticism that also makes Jones an A student and football quarterback.

When Jones comes over to the Nuness house he likes to spend time looking at family basketball memorabilia. He sees that Nuness wore jersey No. 21. So, too, did Jared who played for Valparaiso and Jordan whose college career took him to the Gophers and Minnesota-Duluth.

That’s the number Jones wears, too. He might one day wear that number with more success than anyone in the family ever did. “If nothing goes wrong, he will be a rare kid,” Nuness said. “He’s going to be a blue chipper.”

http://www.shamasportsheadliners.com/

Go Gophers!!
 

Have to say, I usually try to steer away from comparisons to former players. However, in this case, there are definitely some parallels between El-Amin and Jones. Having said that, what really got my attention was the fact that Tubby was considering giving him a scholarship offer as an eighth grader. I know Tubby tends to frown upon actions like this for the most part. But if the kid is really that good that Tubby would consider breaking away from that viewpoint in this case, then he definitely bears watching in the future.
 

Jones was on the KARE 11 sports highlight reel last night, scoring 19 points. In the little they showed, he looks polished and mature well beyond his years... If they aren't doing it already, I hope the Gophers have an assistant coach at every one of Jones' games. C'mon Tubby, give the kid an offer already.
 

what really got my attention was the fact that Tubby was considering giving him a scholarship offer as an eighth grader
I haven't seen anything about a scholarship in consideration ... is this correct? Myron reported that Smith was "interested" in Jones but maybe there was a later report of more than that?
 

I just can't get myself to imagine a college head coach hustling an eighth grader to accept a scholarship. Keeping an eye on him...sure. Hey maybe Tyus has a younger brother, perhaps a fifth grader, and it could be a package deal.
 


This shouldn't be about the debate about offering him a scholarship. Let him play and enjoy following him because kids like him are rare in Minnesota. The fact that he's a PG will make it more entertaining. It should be about when/if he's good enough to take Apple Valley to the Target Center in March, or even creating a run of titles. The hustle and college recruiting of a middle schooler shouldn't be an issue, and just makes a business out of what should be just having fun representing his school and trying to accomplish something special with his friends.
 

I haven't seen anything about a scholarship in consideration ... is this correct? Myron reported that Smith was "interested" in Jones but maybe there was a later report of more than that?

To be fair, I may be mistaken there, but I thought I had read it somewhere. Anyhow, I recall somebody saying that Tubby was interested in the kid already and had watched him play, which may have simply started an unfounded rumor that may have burrowed it's way into my brain. If that's the case, then I apologize for bringing it up. In any case, it appears the staff is interested in Jones.
 

The well-respected JohnnyGopher reported a possible offer in the offing in this post about 12 days ago.
 

You really have to see the kid play. No doubt you will walk away with the same opinion as the article- 8th grader. He is so unselfish (playmaker). Not afraid to take shots when needed, but really gets teammates involved. They play in Rochester this weekend.

From the Apple Valley site:
Next up for Apple Valley is the Rotary US Bank Holiday Classic in Rochester December 28-30. Valley opens up play Monday December 28 when they play Rochester John Marshall (0-2, 0-4) at University Center Rochester. Game time is 6:30pm.
 



It's a positive that he's connected to the Nuness family and appears to lean on them. They know the game and have solid reputations and won't need him to be a meal ticket.
 

There is an ongoing debate among the Gopher coaches about offering Tyus. I think it's safe to say Tubby, while being very, very impressed with Jones, is still very cautious about an offer this early and would like to wait. There is one coach who is 100% in favor of offering immediately. The others are still undecided. I don't think MN would push for a commitment anytime soon, but several coaches believe it is a big deal to alot of kids who the first school to recruit them and offer is and they always remember that and MN wants to make sure it is them. My guess is they will let his parents know how much they like Tyus and a scholarship will always be available but they will try to keep it on the DL. Unfortunately the timeline has been pushed up so much from coaches like Gillispie and Floyd that MN has no choice but to act now on this special of a kid.
 

There is an ongoing debate among the Gopher coaches about offering Tyus. I think it's safe to say Tubby, while being very, very impressed with Jones, is still very cautious about an offer this early and would like to wait. There is one coach who is 100% in favor of offering immediately. The others are still undecided. I don't think MN would push for a commitment anytime soon, but several coaches believe it is a big deal to alot of kids who the first school to recruit them and offer is and they always remember that and MN wants to make sure it is them. My guess is they will let his parents know how much they like Tyus and a scholarship will always be available but they will try to keep it on the DL. Unfortunately the timeline has been pushed up so much from coaches like Gillispie and Floyd that MN has no choice but to act now on this special of a kid.

I guess it's in the eyes of the beholder. I'd imagine it would be flattering in some households to get an offer as a middle schooler, but I'd bet there are still some parents that would slam the door on you and perceive such an action as a used car salesman move.
 

Thanks for the info, Johnny. It's got to be a true dilemma for Tubby because he knows he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

In my mind, an eighth-grader is typically too much of an unfinished product -- but it sounds like his basketball skills are developed sufficiently to take care of questions on that score. I have to wonder about how any coach can evaluate a kid's character, emotional maturity and scholastic ability at the 8th grade. And, just mulling it over, you have to wonder if a coach offers now, how much would a verbal acceptance really mean?

BTW, who was the middle-schooler that played for Hopkins a year or two ago -- does anyone recall his name? I looked at Hopkins current roster but that didn't jog my memory. Was it Siyani Chambers (now a Soph)? I see that they have a freshman named Riley Dearring playing but don't think that's the same kid.
 



Thanks for the info, Johnny. It's got to be a true dilemma for Tubby because he knows he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

In my mind, an eighth-grader is typically too much of an unfinished product -- but it sounds like his basketball skills are developed sufficiently to take care of questions on that score. I have to wonder about how any coach can evaluate a kid's character, emotional maturity and scholastic ability at the 8th grade. And, just mulling it over, you have to wonder if a coach offers now, how much would a verbal acceptance really mean?

BTW, who was the middle-schooler that played for Hopkins a year or two ago -- does anyone recall his name? I looked at Hopkins current roster but that didn't jog my memory. Was it Siyani Chambers (now a Soph)? I see that they have a freshman named Riley Dearring playing but don't think that's the same kid.

Riley Dearing is the one that some people suposidly think could be the best player to ever come through Hopkins, if that's what you're talking about.
 

Siyani Chambers was on the varsity as an 8th grader, Riley not until 9th grade
 

thanks Halsey -- is Chambers still relatively small (the online roster has him at 5'9")?
 

thanks Halsey -- is Chambers still relatively small (the online roster has him at 5'9")?

Chambers is still rather short. He's listed at 5'9" on the Hopkins roster, and it appears to be pretty close. He looks to have filled out a bit, but his size may be a serious hinderance in his recruitment.
 

What do people think of Dearing? I haven't been around the MN highschool bball scene for a few months, looking for an update on him.
 

The NCAA needs to come out with rules barring contact with kids in 8th and 9th grade. Let them mature a bit and enjoy their youth. That is FAR too early to be concerned with college.
 

Chambers is still rather short. He's listed at 5'9" on the Hopkins roster, and it appears to be pretty close. He looks to have filled out a bit, but his size may be a serious hinderance in his recruitment.

Chambers is smaller, but he likely will end up about 5'10" and should be a solid D1 player. He is very quick, great handle. Needs to improve outside shooting but he should be in the mix for a schollie at the U.
 

Jones

Im interested to see how he does against some of the other top guards in the state that are in the conference. The matchups against Marcus Alipate should be very interesting since many consider him to be the top PG in the 2011 class. Right now I would venture to say he's a top 20 kid in the state regardless of class. He's that good
 

To compare him to Chambers or Dearing is a bit of disservice to him. He's bigger and stronger than Chambers and two years younger. Not sure if he'll be 6'5 but size aside his IQ is solid and he's done it against older players for the past two years and this past summer lit up Alipate. And regardless if Alipate shuts him down it doesn't mitigate the fact the kid can play. Judging an 8th grader can be difficult but not sure how you can't be high on this one.
 

He's as good as any guard in the state right now. He is that good. He's better than Alipate. Definitely better than Chambers. Many miles ahead of Dearing - just to compare to some of the names that have been mentioned in this thread. The interesting matchup will be with Vinard Birch of Eastview.

You hear stories of up and coming phenoms all the time. Rarely are they as good as advertised. Jones is clearly an exception.
 

Chambers is smaller, but he likely will end up about 5'10" and should be a solid D1 player. He is very quick, great handle. Needs to improve outside shooting but he should be in the mix for a schollie at the U.

Chambers may very well end up with an offer from Minnesota, but it would appear that he is their second choice at best. Marcus Paige from Linn Mar HS in Marion, IA is another not-quite 6' PG in the 2012 class, who already has offers from Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa St. and a few others. UW has shown a good deal of interest in Paige as well, I keep waiting for them to offer, but that has not happened to date. Paige and his Linn Mar squad will be playing Minnetonka in the Timberwolves event at the Target Center on January 9th.
 

What do people think of Dearing? I haven't been around the MN highschool bball scene for a few months, looking for an update on him.

Dearing certainly looks like a prospect with a lot of promise. I don't think he's 6'5", probably closer to 6'3", and he'll need to gain strength and weight as gets older (certainly lots of growing/maturing to do). He is a solid athlete and relatively long, which helps him be very good defensively. I do not recall him doing much offensively against Sibley last week, but he did play very good on-ball defense and got in the passing lanes. He has a ways to go in terms of skill development, there is a lot of time for him to get there.
 

Chambers may very well end up with an offer from Minnesota, but it would appear that he is their second choice at best. Marcus Paige from Linn Mar HS in Marion, IA is another not-quite 6' PG in the 2012 class, who already has offers from Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa St. and a few others. UW has shown a good deal of interest in Paige as well, I keep waiting for them to offer, but that has not happened to date. Paige and his Linn Mar squad will be playing Minnetonka in the Timberwolves event at the Target Center on January 9th.

Do you happen to know the schedule and/or the other teams that will be playing in the Timberwolves Shootout? I wasn't able to find anything when I searched for it.
 

This was posted on free board of the Minnesota Preps site:

"2009 - 2010 Timberwolves Shootout
Saturday, January 9th 2010

Game # 1 (10:00am) = Orono vs. Grand Rapids

Game # 2 (12:00pm) = Staples-Motley vs. MN Transitions

Game # 3 (2:00pm) = Crosby-Ironton vs. Plainview-Elgin-Millville

Game # 4 (4:00pm) = North Lawndale College Prep (IL) vs. Henry-Sibley

Game # 5 (6:00pm) = Linn-Mar (IA) vs. Minnetonka

Game # 6 (8:00pm) = Champlin Park vs. Hopkins"

Not as a good of a lineup as past years. From an out-of-state perspective, I don't know what kind of talent North Lawndale has, but as mentioned, Paige is a very highly thought of prospect for Linn Mar in the 2012 class.
 

This was posted on free board of the Minnesota Preps site:

"2009 - 2010 Timberwolves Shootout
Saturday, January 9th 2010

Game # 1 (10:00am) = Orono vs. Grand Rapids

Game # 2 (12:00pm) = Staples-Motley vs. MN Transitions

Game # 3 (2:00pm) = Crosby-Ironton vs. Plainview-Elgin-Millville

Game # 4 (4:00pm) = North Lawndale College Prep (IL) vs. Henry-Sibley

Game # 5 (6:00pm) = Linn-Mar (IA) vs. Minnetonka

Game # 6 (8:00pm) = Champlin Park vs. Hopkins"

Not as a good of a lineup as past years. From an out-of-state perspective, I don't know what kind of talent North Lawndale has, but as mentioned, Paige is a very highly thought of prospect for Linn Mar in the 2012 class.

Thanks a lot. I've been looking forward to seeing Paige play, but it's disappointing that they don't draw in out of state players like Kevin Love, Jrue Holliday, DeMarcus Cousins, and Joe Johnson, among others anymore. Hopefully that will change soon when the economy improves.
 

Thanks a lot. I've been looking forward to seeing Paige play, but it's disappointing that they don't draw in out of state players like Kevin Love, Jrue Holliday, DeMarcus Cousins, and Joe Johnson, among others anymore. Hopefully that will change soon when the economy improves.

I understand why they are not able to bring in national teams anymore, but there are a number of talented midwest schools they could bring in. Certainly there are good teams in the Chicago area, Linn Mar will have Paige for a few more years, Des Moines Roosevelt has one of the top national prospects in the 2013 class (Peter Jok), Madison Memorial always has a few D1 prospects, Menomonee Falls has 2012 stud JP Tokoto and Milwaukee City schools (e.g. Vincent, King) have a couple kids who will be worth watching.
 

Yeah I was really hoping that Tokoto's team would be in it. Hopefully they will at least play in it next year.
 




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