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Probably could get some 6th grader to get similar results and only have to buy them pizza.
 



jamiche said:
We'll never know if CBJ could coach or run a program because the NIL era started right around the day he was hired. It's time for him to go but the next coach isn't going to have more success without a lot more NIL money.
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This is just a crazy opinion and yet there are still a few on here spouting it.

We do know. The only talented team Ben had was last season, and we melted down the stretch and underachieved.

Even taking NIL or $$ out of the equation there is literally nothing to suggest through 4 years that Ben is a good coach.
 

skiumah1 said:
But if you look at all of the others:

Fleck - History of Success
Motzko - History of Success
Dawn P. - History of Success
Volleyball - History of Success
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The lefties can roll their eyes at the DEI hire chat (even though I believe it's true). But right there is the strongest proof that this wasn't Coyle's decision to hire Ben. Looking at his track record, it would be soooo out of left field for him to hire a coach with Ben's shit resume.

Having said that, Coyle is a spineless weasel, horrible with the media, and generally under equipped for the job. If Ben's hire was mandated over his head, as seems likely, he should've resigned under protest. Any man with a set of stones would've done the same.

I'm hopeful that Coyle will make a Fleck style hire for hoops if given the chance free of meddling. But he should be out the door before Ben and shouldn't get to make this decision.
 



Spaulding!No! said:
Was he at Syracuse when Coyle was at Syracuse? That is the secret sauce
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Doesn't appear that way. He did serve at Wake Forest as an assistant when Tim Duncan was playing. Then was an assistant under Mike Montgomery at Stanford from 2000-2004, compiling a 105-24 record.
He's beeb UC Irvine's headcoach since 2010 after being an assistant for GSW for 6 seasons. So he's worked with some pros. Definitely paid his dues.
 

Chris Holtmann and DePaul smoked Wichita by 19. Poor Ben.
 

goldenboy said:
I’m sure there were a lot of N. Carolina football message board folks that were rolling their eyes at the suggestion of Belichik as head coach, too. Just stop with all of the “why would they ever want to come here” crap. My only concern is with Coyle. He crapped the bed with the Johnson hire and everybody knew how it would turn out. He better get this one right.
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I really don’t think he made that hire. It’s nothing like his other hires and I just can’t imagine someone whose livelihood is on the line would hire Ben Johnson in that spot. To me, it seems pretty obvious Coyle is holding the bag from something mandated on him.
 



Zeppelin Gopher said:
This is just a crazy opinion and yet there are still a few on here spouting it.

We do know. The only talented team Ben had was last season, and we melted down the stretch and underachieved.

Even taking NIL or $$ out of the equation there is literally nothing to suggest through 4 years that Ben is a good coach.
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I look at Payne, he was the best player on the court in the A&M Purdue game. It sure wasn't Buzz that did the developing but Johnson. Has to be doing something right.
 

jovs said:
I look at Payne, he was the best player on the court in the A&M Purdue game. It sure wasn't Buzz that did the developing but Johnson. Has to be doing something right.
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Disagree on multiple counts. Payne had a good game yesterday, but he's not close to their best player. He's being used for a specific, complementary role that he is suited for. He would only get in the way on a CBJ team that has no idea how to use him optimally.
 








Zeppelin Gopher said:
This is just a crazy opinion and yet there are still a few on here spouting it.

We do know. The only talented team Ben had was last season, and we melted down the stretch and underachieved.

Even taking NIL or $$ out of the equation there is literally nothing to suggest through 4 years that Ben is a good coach.
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They have to spout it. They spent years defending the hire (even argued he had the resume for the job), so now that his inevitable failures are obvious, some have decided to pivot to this stance. The truth is that Ben was in over his head in every single era.

In my opinion, the transfer portal hid some of his warts. His transfers have been way better than his recruits. He was lucky to be able to hand a ton of Big 10 minutes to Battle, Willis, Cooper, Hawkins, Garcia, Fox, Sutherlin.

Can you imagine how bad our teams would have been if they had to be filled with just his recruits and players he developed?
 

Zeppelin Gopher said:
The lefties can roll their eyes at the DEI hire chat (even though I believe it's true). But right there is the strongest proof that this wasn't Coyle's decision to hire Ben. Looking at his track record, it would be soooo out of left field for him to hire a coach with Ben's shit resume.
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Yes!
Zeppelin Gopher said:
Having said that, Coyle is a spineless weasel, horrible with the media, and generally under equipped for the job. If Ben's hire was mandated over his head, as seems likely, he should've resigned under protest. Any man with a set of stones would've done the same.
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Yes!
Zeppelin Gopher said:
I'm hopeful that Coyle will make a Fleck style hire for hoops if given the chance free of meddling. But he should be out the door before Ben and shouldn't get to make this decision.
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Yes!

Great post!
 

formerlybis said:
Disagree on multiple counts. Payne had a good game yesterday, but he's not close to their best player. He's being used for a specific, complementary role that he is suited for. He would only get in the way on a CBJ team that has no idea how to use him optimally.
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To be honest Buzz is using him almost the exact same way as Ben did, just with fewer minutes because A & M has so many options with size to work with. I think Payne will wind up winning more minutes but the limit is his free throw shooting which takes him off the court in the last 5 minutes of close games when there are other options with similar skills (which they now have). Payne would have been a huge upgrade this year to what we now have.

He is a guy that you have to utilize during his minutes. If you don't post him up and feed him, he disappears. If you do, he comes alive on both ends as he did on Saturday.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
They have to spout it. They spent years defending the hire (even argued he had the resume for the job), so now that his inevitable failures are obvious, some have decided to pivot to this stance. The truth is that Ben was in over his head in every single era.
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Most of the people using NIL as an excuse that I see are not Ben Defenders...they are "woe is me" Minnesota fans who believe we have no money and can't compete cause "reasons". I think some of you misread that as "well we are doomed so GO BEN!" which is not the case. Anyone could be coach and they would use the same lame excuse. (especially people like SON) Its not like Ben is the first bad coach many fans around here defended or that it only happens for basketball. I remember people doing the same Brewster, then Jeff Horton who took over and then wanted us to hire unqualified former Gopher Football Players to coach that team because what good coach would want to coach here? (Mike Hohensee was brought up often)

In fact there are more people talking about "Ben Defenders" and still pretending they exist than there are actually people defending Ben in any way.

Ben is a bad coach...he was beyond a stretch hire at the time and he has proven that he had zero ability to improve. He has also proven that no amount of sucking up locally is going to fix anything. We need a coach who has proven ability to coach and has a resume to back it up. The money will come when the team gives the fans something to support just like Fleck was able to get money flowing for the football team. At most non-helmet style schools that is just how it is going to work and Ben's deficiencies were the cause of his demise and that includes NIL since he is not willing to put in the work a guy like Fleck will. Period, end of story. If some of his defenders (I put lipstick on that pig I wont lie) dont like that then they are delusional. I dont think it is as many as some of you think though...hell the thread defending him died when Hawkins left until Spaulding posted.
 

bga1 said:
To be honest Buzz is using him almost the exact same way as Ben did, just with fewer minutes because A & M has so many options with size to work with. I think Payne will wind up winning more minutes but the limit is his free throw shooting which takes him off the court in the last 5 minutes of close games when there are other options with similar skills (which they now have). Payne would have been a huge upgrade this year to what we now have.

He is a guy that you have to utilize during his minutes. If you don't post him up and feed him, he disappears. If you do, he comes alive on both ends as he did on Saturday.
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We basically agree. Besides the FTs, he’s very limited range-wise. As long as you’ve got other players that can make you pay for clogging the paint defensively, he can be an important asset. Without that, he is less effective - he needs good teammates.
 

JZABR said:
Russell Turner at UC Irvine would be a quality candidate. 265+ wins in 9 seasons, consistently at the top of their conference. 9 conference regular-season titles.
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I agree that he is one of the premier mid-major coaching candidates for a bigger ticket job but he has stayed at UC Irvine for 15 years. He must have received previous invites to apply for power conference positions by now. I see that his wife is a physician. Maybe they just like where they are.
 

Dave H said:
At most non-helmet style schools that is just how it is going to work and Ben's deficiencies were the cause of his demise and that includes NIL since he is not willing to put in the work a guy like Fleck will.
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Although I have no proof, I've suspected that for some time. I do remember Fleck meeting with booster groups and explaining how critical NIL funds would be to continued success and that the program would lose some of its best players if the situation didn't improve. "Ain't too proud to beg" is an important attribute for a coach these days and I don't remember reading anything about Coach Johnson doing much of that.
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
Although I have no proof, I've suspected that for some time. I do remember Fleck meeting with booster groups and explaining how critical NIL funds would be to continued success and that the program would lose some of its best players if the situation didn't improve. "Ain't too proud to beg" is an important attribute for a coach these days and I don't remember reading anything about Coach Johnson doing much of that.
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Here's what I don't get so maybe someone can enlighten me. Fleck has 100 some players and does a good job of keeping most and does a really good job getting kids in the portal, most if not all getting NIL money through DTA or some other means.
Why can't Ben be somewhat successful with the same pots of potential NIL funds? Yet, all I hear is Ben has no NIL money. I don't understand.
 

Blackhammer said:
Why the MAGA slam. Already named first woman chief of staff in history. Everything got to go to politics and put downs ?
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He also nominated known sexual predators Matt Gaetz and Pete Hagseth for Secretary of Defense and Attorney General. Besides their poor characters not sure why anyone would want a weekend warrior TV personality in charge of 3 million military personnel or a guy who had six months as a junior associate at a private firm as attorney general?
 

TNGophfan said:
Here's what I don't get so maybe someone can enlighten me. Fleck has 100 some players and does a good job of keeping most and does a really good job getting kids in the portal, most if not all getting NIL money through DTA or some other means.
Why can't Ben be somewhat successful with the same pots of potential NIL funds? Yet, all I hear is Ben has no NIL money. I don't understand.
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I don't know the answer to your question based on any inside knowledge but theoretically- individual football players beyond an elite few don't have as dramatic of an effect on a team as individual basketball players. I'd guess football has 5x the NIL and I doubt that more than 10+ players are getting 6 figures or more. In basketball we had an average team with average talent last year and there were 3 guys commanding 300-500k per each and another that could have perhaps been retained with a million (Christie). 3 million to buy a good roster in basketball and 5 million might get it done in football despite the vast difference in numbers. All guesses but I feel like this is the NIL issue.

Here's the sad part- a smart administration would understand that there is a better chance to rapidly rise in basketball than there is in football because with the right coach and an attainable amount of NIL you could catapult much higher- fairly quickly. I cannot even begin to imagine what OSU/Alabama and the like are spending on football NIL.
 

Strongazzoffer said:
He also nominated known sexual predators Matt Gaetz and Pete Hagseth for Secretary of Defense and Attorney General. Besides their poor characters not sure why anyone would want a weekend warrior TV personality in charge of 3 million military personnel or a guy who had six months as a junior associate at a private firm as attorney general?
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Those are stories, not facts. Now go back to Rachel Maddow.
 

tjgopher said:
Much of it will depend on how each school divides up the revenue share and distributes directly to players. Football will get most of it at most schools. If Minnesota devotes a higher percent to MBB than others, then maybe there's a break through from a player payment standpoint. I am not convinced Gopher MBB will get a bigger percentage than other Big Ten MBB programs, though.
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bga1 said:
Those are stories, not facts. Now go back to Rachel Maddow.
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They are facts maybe you should spit Donald's dick out of your mouth, come up for air and scream jack Robinson
 



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