3 years of recruiting

[Bob_Loblaw]

Can you admit that Iowa greatly improved from 2000 to 2001? Did Iowa play an FBS team that year? I remember when we said wait till next year now people are saying wait 2 years.

Absolutely, Iowa improved between their second and third seasons. However, that line of thinking is merely giving Ferentz credit for having a terrible second season.
Brewster's first three seasons went like this:

Terrible --------- very mediocore----------very mediocore

Ferentz's went like this:

Terrible ---------- very bad ---------- very mediocore


I guess I don't see how it taking Ferentz an added season to make the Hawkeyes mediocore is a feather in his cap.


As far as the South Dakota St. game, Brewster is absolutely rippable for that game (Illinois as well). However, when you look at the season, on the whole, the 2009 Gophers played a much more difficult schedule than the 2001 Hawkeyes, and they had minimally worse results. We could go back and forth with arguments over which is more impressive (Brew's 2009 or Ferentz's 2001), but lets quit pretending there was something in Ferentz's first three seasons that made it any more apparent that he would be succesful than Brewster.

 

[glovedgopher]

Absolutely, Iowa improved between their second and third seasons. However, that line of thinking is merely giving Ferentz credit for having a terrible second season.
Brewster's first three seasons went like this:

Terrible --------- very mediocore----------very mediocore

Ferentz's went like this:

Terrible ---------- very bad ---------- very mediocore


I guess I don't see how it taking Ferentz an added season to make the Hawkeyes mediocore is a feather in his cap.


As far as the South Dakota St. game, Brewster is absolutely rippable for that game (Illinois as well). However, when you look at the season, on the whole, the 2009 Gophers played a much more difficult schedule than the 2001 Hawkeyes, and they had minimally worse results. We could go back and forth with arguments over which is more impressive (Brew's 2009 or Ferentz's 2001), but lets quit pretending there was something in Ferentz's first three seasons that made it any more apparent that he would be succesful than Brewster.

Yeah, it's pointless to argue with a lawyer. Will a fourth season be enough to compare the two?

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

Yeah, it's pointless to argue with a lawyer. Will a fourth season be enough to compare the two?

I think it would be pointless to argue this point with anyone who watched a lot of Big 10 football in the past ten seasons. You can compare Ferentz and Brewster the entire way, my argument wasn't that you can't compare the two, but that Brewster had a very similar first three seasons to Ferentz.

I highley doubt that Brewster will measure up with Ferentz after four seasons, and i'd have no problem with Brewster being on the hot seat if we are a dissappointment. But that really is not what this entire argument is about.

The entire argument is this..."did Ferentz show more after his first three seasons than Brewster?" It's nearly impossible to make a logical argument saying that he did.

 

[Gold Rush]

As long as we are arguing coaches after three years, how about comparing
Brewster to Mason? Sure, Mason played some easier non-conference teams,
but after three years, Mason's 1999 team looked like it was clearly better
after three years than Brewster's team. Mason's 1999 team finished 8-4 with a
loss to Oregon in the Sun Bowl and ended up ranked #18 in the AP.
Mason also finished 5-3 in the Big Ten with a victory over Iowa and a big
24-23 upset at Penn St. They also lost to Ohio St. by only 3 points
and their greatest loss of the season was by only 5 points. Furthermore,
if they had been able to defeat Wisconsin (they lost 20-17 in overtime) they
would have been in a 4 way tie for the Big Ten conference championship
and they would have played in Pasadena that year!!! If you remember, that was Billy Cockerham's team and Thomas Hamner was the RB.

Mason clearly wins after year three but keep in mind, his team slumped the
next two years. What I liked about that 1999 team is it already had established its offensive identity and its defense which was made up of a lot of Jim Wacker's recruits was possibly Mason's best he ever had!! At that time, not too many Gopher fans were doubting Mason's ability to coach, that's for sure!