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What do you mean it is simplifying things too much? My point was that the 2009 Iowa football team is head and shoulders better than the 2001 MN team. You can spin all you want, but that is fact. Bringing up injuries is a joke, and a prime example of your flaming. Why bring up Iowa's injuries but not injuries to the guy who would have easily won Big 10 offensive player of the year? That same Iowa QB almost beat tOSU. I know that those points don't serve your argument, but at least try to be consistent.

Oh, and I was wrong, the 2001 Gopher football team that you think compares favorably to this years Iowa team, was 4-7 and 2-6 in the Big 10, including a loss to Toledo. So answer this simple question....do you think it is an apt comparison to compare #13 ranked 10-2 Iowa Hawkeyes (at home) with a 4-7 Gopher team (on the road)? Is that really holding the two programs to the same standard?



As far as your progress point, I think it is completely flawed. You are essentially arguing that if Brewster would have had a bad second season (3 wins like Ferentz), he would be showing better progress. You are blaming Brewster for having a decent second season. I never knew that a strong indicator for future sucess was winning 3 games in your second season.
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The Decker point is worthy of raising. I was reacting to your post though about Iowa. Progress for me isn't simply wins and losses. If, after leading the conference in penalties in year No. 2, they improved in that area, that would've been good progress. If the O-line, which was dreadful in '08, had improved, that would've been progress. They created many turnovers in '08, which was a positive. This year not so much so in that area. Progress was made from '07 to '08 through 8-games, then the offense was switched following the year, and they took a step backward, almost a massive step backward in '09.

I badly want to believe that things will be better in 2010, but it's hard to.
 

Doogie, I really don't think you are trying to be impartial, but I think sometimes when you believe something so strongly, it's hard to not be bias. But the truth is our offense was terrible this season, but it is nearly impossible to argue that they took a "massive step backward" in 09.

Stats 2008/2009
Scoring offense 10th (17ppg)/ 7th (22.4 ppg)
Passing Offense 8th (203 ypg) / 8th (198 ypg)
Rushing Offense 11th (78ypg) / 11th (97.1 ypg)
Total Offense 11th (281.5 ypg) / 11th (295.5 ypg)
Turnovers 16 / 18

You can argue that they failed to progress (or progress as much as they should), but they gained more yards and scored more points this season than last year. Don't get me wrong, Brewster and staff are definitely rippable for our lack of an offense, however I think it is overstating it to refer to this season as a massive step in the wrong direction when all they did was minimally improve.
 

Good statistical evidence.

Here are the things that stick out to me from the year:
1) Air Force game ... the 3rd-and-19 conversion to Tow-Arnett ... then they score the tying TD against a decent team, then create a defensive TD ... at that point I thought the defense would be comparable to last year in terms of turnovers created ... bad assumption.

2) Wisconsin game ... being outgained 302 to 11 in total yards in the first 27 minutes of the 2nd half ... and they kept running the same play ... the Gophers were favored in that game against their biggest rival and got physically manhandled for an entire half.

3) Michigan State game ... loved seeing them somehow overcome 17 penalties, and w/o Decker, put that many points on the board. Figured it was a slam dunk that they would win by double-digits vs. Ill. & SDSU ... bad assumption ... Ill. entering that game had 1 win vs. a 1-A team, and in the rest of their games, hadn't played any 1-A team to within 10 points. Ill. beat them up in the 1st half, then when the Gophers had to have a stop, Ill. ran it right down their throats. The issues in the SDSU have been well chronicled, and the Jackrabbits gave up 61 points today to a 1-AA team.

Other things that stood out: the CBs constantly 8 yards from the line of scrimmage. The defense in the 1st 7 Big Ten games allowing the opponents to convert on 54.7% of their 3rd down opportunities. Pound the Rock, yet will finish among the worst teams in America in running the ball, and yes, Pound the Rock was all about running the ball, not the other stuff that many claim.
Only 3 players improved from last year: Stoudermire, Campbell, and Triplett. 2 are leaving. Edwards and Kirksey also probably got a little better, but seemingly weren't on the field enough. Lawrence and others either stayed the same or took a step backward.

Again, I just don't see any evidence that things will be better in 2010 with what appears to be a tougher schedule. Clearly the powers that be have discussed making a change, albeit subtly. If Brewster goes 5-7 next year, can he make it to 2011?
 

Doogie said:
Good statistical evidence.

Here are the things that stick out to me from the year:
1) Air Force game ... the 3rd-and-19 conversion to Tow-Arnett ... then they score the tying TD against a decent team, then create a defensive TD ... at that point I thought the defense would be comparable to last year in terms of turnovers created ... bad assumption.

2) Wisconsin game ... being outgained 302 to 11 in total yards in the first 27 minutes of the 2nd half ... and they kept running the same play ... the Gophers were favored in that game against their biggest rival and got physically manhandled for an entire half.

3) Michigan State game ... loved seeing them somehow overcome 17 penalties, and w/o Decker, put that many points on the board. Figured it was a slam dunk that they would win by double-digits vs. Ill. & SDSU ... bad assumption ... Ill. entering that game had 1 win vs. a 1-A team, and in the rest of their games, hadn't played any 1-A team to within 10 points. Ill. beat them up in the 1st half, then when the Gophers had to have a stop, Ill. ran it right down their throats. The issues in the SDSU have been well chronicled, and the Jackrabbits gave up 61 points today to a 1-AA team.

Other things that stood out: the CBs constantly 8 yards from the line of scrimmage. The defense in the 1st 7 Big Ten games allowing the opponents to convert on 54.7% of their 3rd down opportunities. Pound the Rock, yet will finish among the worst teams in America in running the ball, and yes, Pound the Rock was all about running the ball, not the other stuff that many claim.
Only 3 players improved from last year: Stoudermire, Campbell, and Triplett. 2 are leaving. Edwards and Kirksey also probably got a little better, but seemingly weren't on the field enough. Lawrence and others either stayed the same or took a step backward.

Again, I just don't see any evidence that things will be better in 2010 with what appears to be a tougher schedule. Clearly the powers that be have discussed making a change, albeit subtly. If Brewster goes 5-7 next year, can he make it to 2011?
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Good post, doogie. I know I have harped on the wisdom of scheduling USC for a team like the
Gophers that are stuggling just to beat South Dakota St. but for a coach looking for wins
to continue on or extend his contract, that just might be the extra loss that gets him fired.
Still, hoping that Coach Brewster can get it turned around in year 4.
 

Doogie said:
Good statistical evidence.

Here are the things that stick out to me from the year:
1) Air Force game ... the 3rd-and-19 conversion to Tow-Arnett ... then they score the tying TD against a decent team, then create a defensive TD ... at that point I thought the defense would be comparable to last year in terms of turnovers created ... bad assumption.

2) Wisconsin game ... being outgained 302 to 11 in total yards in the first 27 minutes of the 2nd half ... and they kept running the same play ... the Gophers were favored in that game against their biggest rival and got physically manhandled for an entire half.

3) Michigan State game ... loved seeing them somehow overcome 17 penalties, and w/o Decker, put that many points on the board. Figured it was a slam dunk that they would win by double-digits vs. Ill. & SDSU ... bad assumption ... Ill. entering that game had 1 win vs. a 1-A team, and in the rest of their games, hadn't played any 1-A team to within 10 points. Ill. beat them up in the 1st half, then when the Gophers had to have a stop, Ill. ran it right down their throats. The issues in the SDSU have been well chronicled, and the Jackrabbits gave up 61 points today to a 1-AA team.

Other things that stood out: the CBs constantly 8 yards from the line of scrimmage. The defense in the 1st 7 Big Ten games allowing the opponents to convert on 54.7% of their 3rd down opportunities. Pound the Rock, yet will finish among the worst teams in America in running the ball, and yes, Pound the Rock was all about running the ball, not the other stuff that many claim.
Only 3 players improved from last year: Stoudermire, Campbell, and Triplett. 2 are leaving. Edwards and Kirksey also probably got a little better, but seemingly weren't on the field enough. Lawrence and others either stayed the same or took a step backward.

Again, I just don't see any evidence that things will be better in 2010 with what appears to be a tougher schedule. Clearly the powers that be have discussed making a change, albeit subtly. If Brewster goes 5-7 next year, can he make it to 2011?
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You bring up the turnovers created and how the team didn't improve from the year before. Now let me start out by saying I'm no Vince Lombardi and am still trying to figure out exactly how the whole quarterback rating thing works, however, that being said I've heard people say turnovers created is a difficult statistic to judge as many turnovers are often the result of the other team goofing up. Are those people completely bogus by saying that?
 


Doogie said:
Schnoodler -- Many valid points ... I ask this: Where are the signs that by year No. 5 they can win at a high level?
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Doogie I really enjoyed listening to you at KFAN and supported your opinions as you always seemed to be the one guy who supported the Gophs over there....But, I've got to ask you-what's your vendeta with Brewster? Since you've joined Gopherhole you have been nothing but a hater. Sure, you've supported a fourth year for Brew but most every post has been negative.... Why all the hate? I realize we've had our problems offensively but it's obvious we've increased our talent and isn't that what he was brought in for?

Every single post you make has got one little dig in it for Brewster etc...and i'm wondering if you had a run in with him or if you really believe that he doesn't belong as a coach for our team? As a season ticket holder and a long time fan I'm wondering what you have against him? Is it his absolute positive attitude or is it the respect he has for the U and the state of Mn that has you "badgering" him? Would you rather have a coach who is accepting of an average team?

Now I realize Brew hasn't taken us anywhere that Mason couldn't, but at least he has set the bar high and wants --and I think BELIEVES can bring us somewhere better.......Tell me, what is wrong with that? As a high school coach in MN I like his attitude. I really want to know why you think he is destined to fail? I, for one, like his recruiting and his attitude and think we can have a Hell of a year next year and for the next few because of his recruiting and the fact we have more talented athletes...Sure, he has yet to prove that he can win the big games with the talent he inherited but dangit, you and others need to give him a chance with HIS talent that he has acquired.....I'll guarantee he'll prove to be a bettter coach.
 

Schnoodler said:
I know based on Ferentz's first three years he's a pretty crappy coach as well. How crappy and weak minded is Iowa's AD, he still can't pull the trigger and fire the guy. I mean really, it's been like ten years and they still haven't fired the guy. I mean with a record like his in his first three years, obviously he can't coach. And he still has a job???? I mean seriously.
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Everyone says Ferentz's first three years were crappy but if you check his wiki page in his 3rd year he was 7-5 (4-4 big ten) and went to the Alamo Bowl. Finished 4th in the Big Ten that year. I also think the Big Ten was a better conference in 2001.
 

The point is, there is little difference between the accomplishments. I really don't care which one was better at the time because it splits hairs and misses the main point in that you can't know brewster will fail anymore than you could have known Ferentz would succeed.

And Doogie if you can't see that you constantly bash the gophers and Brewster I can't help you because it really is quite apparent. maybe you look homerish to an extreme comparison, and given your media buddies I don't doubt that's your experience one bit.
 

Schnoodler said:
The point is, there is little difference between the accomplishments. I really don't care which one was better at the time because it splits hairs and misses the main point in that you can't know brewster will fail anymore than you could have known Ferentz would succeed.

And Doogie if you can't see that you constantly bash the gophers and Brewster I can't help you because it really is quite apparent. maybe you look homerish to an extreme comparison, and given your media buddies I don't doubt that's your experience one bit.
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I see the point you're trying to make but I don't buy the argument. After three years you should be able to start to have an idea if a coach is going to fail or succeed. You can't know for sure but you start to form an opinion. You're just comparing win-loss records after three years which doesn't tell the whole story. Both coaches had just one win in their first season. I'm guessing Iowa fans were saying the same things we were saying after Brew's first seasons: He's building a program/no talent form previous coach. Brew's 2nd season he goes 7-6 after starting 7-1. People were happy but a little disappointed in the final 5 games. Iowa goes 3-9 (3-5) in 2000 Ferentz's 2nd season. They lost all their non confs games to Kansas St, Iowa St, Nebraska and Western Michigan. How about that non conf schedule? They were only blown out in the Nebraska (number one team in the nation at that time) game 42-13. They go 3-5 in the Big Ten winning 2 of their last 3. The lost the lost game of the year to the Gophers by 3 points. So I'm thinking Iowa fans felt their team was improving and their was hope for the future. Brew's third year we're 6-6 with no real improvement on either side of the ball. Iowa 2001 finishes 7-5 winning the Alamo Bowl. That year they lose to #18 Purdue 23-14, MSU 31-28, #8 Michigan 32-26, Wisky 34-28 and Iowa st 17-14. Not exactly blow outs right? They also managed to score over 50 points in 2 games and beat the Gophers 42-24. They finish 4th in the Big Ten going 4-4. How do you think Iowa fans viewed their program at that time? I'm thinking there was a little more evidence that Iowa was improving. I might be wrong because I don't know exactly how those three seasons played out. I think people should stop with the Ferentz argument asap before I have to look at box scores.
 



Doogie said:
Good statistical evidence.

Here are the things that stick out to me from the year:
1) Air Force game ... the 3rd-and-19 conversion to Tow-Arnett ... then they score the tying TD against a decent team, then create a defensive TD ... at that point I thought the defense would be comparable to last year in terms of turnovers created ... bad assumption.

2) Wisconsin game ... being outgained 302 to 11 in total yards in the first 27 minutes of the 2nd half ... and they kept running the same play ... the Gophers were favored in that game against their biggest rival and got physically manhandled for an entire half.

3) Michigan State game ... loved seeing them somehow overcome 17 penalties, and w/o Decker, put that many points on the board. Figured it was a slam dunk that they would win by double-digits vs. Ill. & SDSU ... bad assumption ... Ill. entering that game had 1 win vs. a 1-A team, and in the rest of their games, hadn't played any 1-A team to within 10 points. Ill. beat them up in the 1st half, then when the Gophers had to have a stop, Ill. ran it right down their throats. The issues in the SDSU have been well chronicled, and the Jackrabbits gave up 61 points today to a 1-AA team.

Other things that stood out: the CBs constantly 8 yards from the line of scrimmage. The defense in the 1st 7 Big Ten games allowing the opponents to convert on 54.7% of their 3rd down opportunities. Pound the Rock, yet will finish among the worst teams in America in running the ball, and yes, Pound the Rock was all about running the ball, not the other stuff that many claim.
Only 3 players improved from last year: Stoudermire, Campbell, and Triplett. 2 are leaving. Edwards and Kirksey also probably got a little better, but seemingly weren't on the field enough. Lawrence and others either stayed the same or took a step backward.

Again, I just don't see any evidence that things will be better in 2010 with what appears to be a tougher schedule. Clearly the powers that be have discussed making a change, albeit subtly. If Brewster goes 5-7 next year, can he make it to 2011?
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I'm not trying to be a jerk and point out the statistical data of where your assumptions are wrong, so no offense, but you really need to look up some of this stuff before you spew it. The Gophers forced 1 more TO last year in the Big 10 than this season. Yes, that's 1 more TO last year than this year. I would say they were pretty comparable in that category (they also finished 4th in the Big 10 this year in TO's forced). It's an odd thing that i've heard a lot of Brewster bashers harp on.

Additionally, i'd say there are a few more guys that I would say improved....Cooper, Collado, Tow-Arnett, Kirksey, Edwards, Jacobs....all emerged this past season.

I will give you this, a 5-7 team next season (seems very likely) will definitely put Brewster on the hot seat, but the argument that there was any real difference between Brew and Ferentz's first three seasons is flawed.

Your arguments so far are:

(1) Offense regressed........statistically, not so much.
(2) Defense wasn't nearly as opportunistic............1 less TO this season.
(3) Ferentz beat the Gophers in yr. #3, and Brew failed to beat Iowa.......again, 2001 Gophs were a 4-7 team, this Iowa team is 10-2.
(4) They wanted to run and couldn't.......don't you think every 6-6 or 7-5 team in the country failed at some large portion of their overall gameplan? Including Ferentz's 2001 Iowa team?

I think everyone would agree that without improvement Brewster should be gone. I also can't argue with someone saying that they have a hunch or bad feeling that Brewster is a lousy coach. However, when people argue that their is something tangible that you can point to Ferentz's first three years that were indicitave of success that Brewster lacks, it doesn't mesh with reality.
 

Minnesota 2009 average score in wins was: Gophers 28-opponents 20.
losses: Gophers 14-opponents 28.
Iowa 2001 average score in wins was: Iowa 40-opponents 17.
losses: Iowa 22-opponents 27.
Clearly the 2001 Iowa team was headed in the right direction and the AD could see it.
Sorry to say it Ferentz did show more promise after three years.
P.S. Who Hates Iowa?
 

I, for one, am looking forward to the 2010 season and have a lot of optimism about what next year's team can accomplish. For example, the projected front seven of the 2010 defense (Kirksey, Edwards, Jacobs, Hageman, Reeves, Tinsley and Cooper) is going to be unquestionably the most athletic we have seen from the Gophers in a long while. I don't think our defense will have to take a back seat to anyone next year. If this team can find a way to improve on the o-line, I expect very big things in 2010. Brewster has been carefully and methodically stocking the cupboard with athletes all over the field, even when it has been to his detriment to do so (e.g., redshirting almost the entire 2009 class). There is A LOT of talent waiting to hit the field in the program and in the next few years we will get a chance to see that.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I'm not trying to be a jerk and point out the statistical data of where your assumptions are wrong, so no offense, but you really need to look up some of this stuff before you spew it. The Gophers forced 1 more TO last year in the Big 10 than this season. Yes, that's 1 more TO last year than this year. I would say they were pretty comparable in that category (they also finished 4th in the Big 10 this year in TO's forced). It's an odd thing that i've heard a lot of Brewster bashers harp on.

Additionally, i'd say there are a few more guys that I would say improved....Cooper, Collado, Tow-Arnett, Kirksey, Edwards, Jacobs....all emerged this past season.

I will give you this, a 5-7 team next season (seems very likely) will definitely put Brewster on the hot seat, but the argument that there was any real difference between Brew and Ferentz's first three seasons is flawed.

Your arguments so far are:

(1) Offense regressed........statistically, not so much.
(2) Defense wasn't nearly as opportunistic............1 less TO this season.
(3) Ferentz beat the Gophers in yr. #3, and Brew failed to beat Iowa.......again, 2001 Gophs were a 4-7 team, this Iowa team is 10-2.
(4) They wanted to run and couldn't.......don't you think every 6-6 or 7-5 team in the country failed at some large portion of their overall gameplan? Including Ferentz's 2001 Iowa team?

I think everyone would agree that without improvement Brewster should be gone. I also can't argue with someone saying that they have a hunch or bad feeling that Brewster is a lousy coach. However, when people argue that their is something tangible that you can point to Ferentz's first three years that were indicitave of success that Brewster lacks, it doesn't mesh with reality.
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On point 1, to not score an offensive TD in 3-games, and in another got a garbage time TD vs. the other team's 3rd teamers, the offense regressed big-time. You 100% on the TO note? If so, will trust you ... of course Cooper got better, he didn't play in '08. Jacobs did not get better. I cited Kirksey and Edwards, but said that they seemingly didn't play enough. Collado, sure. Tow-Arnett was the same. It would be impossible for no players out of that many to not show a little improvement, so we have come up with 4-5 names.
On point No. 4, do those teams have constant reminders of that theme throughout their locker rooms and facility? And is that theme brought up just about everyday?
GlovedGopher has great statistical evidence showing that Iowa could see the promise in Ferentz.
 



golfinggopher said:
Doogie I really enjoyed listening to you at KFAN and supported your opinions as you always seemed to be the one guy who supported the Gophs over there....But, I've got to ask you-what's your vendeta with Brewster? Since you've joined Gopherhole you have been nothing but a hater. Sure, you've supported a fourth year for Brew but most every post has been negative.... Why all the hate? I realize we've had our problems offensively but it's obvious we've increased our talent and isn't that what he was brought in for?

Every single post you make has got one little dig in it for Brewster etc...and i'm wondering if you had a run in with him or if you really believe that he doesn't belong as a coach for our team? As a season ticket holder and a long time fan I'm wondering what you have against him? Is it his absolute positive attitude or is it the respect he has for the U and the state of Mn that has you "badgering" him? Would you rather have a coach who is accepting of an average team?

Now I realize Brew hasn't taken us anywhere that Mason couldn't, but at least he has set the bar high and wants --and I think BELIEVES can bring us somewhere better.......Tell me, what is wrong with that? As a high school coach in MN I like his attitude. I really want to know why you think he is destined to fail? I, for one, like his recruiting and his attitude and think we can have a Hell of a year next year and for the next few because of his recruiting and the fact we have more talented athletes...Sure, he has yet to prove that he can win the big games with the talent he inherited but dangit, you and others need to give him a chance with HIS talent that he has acquired.....I'll guarantee he'll prove to be a bettter coach.
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Nothing I write or say is personal, besides those takes being my own opinions, but to use your terminology, I don't have a vendetta. I attempt to bring balance.
I hope your guarantee comes to fruition. I want nothing more than to be able to sit on New Year's Day in Pasadena watching the Gophers hopefully pummel Washington State :).
Remember, Mason, not much, but on occasion beat a ranked team, won a conf. game in November, and beat Iowa or Wis. 3-years in w/ Brew, we have none of those in the worst 3-year stretch the Big Ten has seen in over 15-years.
It seems like there is an upgrade with talent, but he still needs to be able to coach those guys up.
 

Am I crazy to think the local media is prematurely pushing for the ouster of Brewster because Tony Dungy appears to be available? Has Dungy ever commented on the Gopher job?
 

I just don't think Tony is a realistic option, even though he has a brother here in town.
 

The media is prematurely pushing Brewster out of town to simply prove that they can...Newspaper writers are a very insecure lot these days. Their walls are closing in quickly and they still want to feel like they matter and have power. They smell blood with Brewster and want to see if they still 'have it.' Doogie, well, he's just following the crowd I guess.

As for results on the field I'm obviously not in love Brewster, but I'm willing to wait until his players are juniors and seniors. Realistically we are having the exact type of seasons we had under Mason...although getting there in different ways. Instead of a competent offense and zero defense producing mediocre seasons, right now we have zero offense and a competent defense...same result. I think people are a little too nostalgic when it comes to remembering Mason's offense. Outside of maybe one season (the one where he should have beat Michigan at home) our offense destroyed patsies and was neutralized by good teams. Our defense was predictably bad every game, every year.
 

WillieBurton said:
I, for one, am looking forward to the 2010 season and have a lot of optimism about what next year's team can accomplish. For example, the projected front seven of the 2010 defense (Kirksey, Edwards, Jacobs, Hageman, Reeves, Tinsley and Cooper) is going to be unquestionably the most athletic we have seen from the Gophers in a long while. I don't think our defense will have to take a back seat to anyone next year. If this team can find a way to improve on the o-line, I expect very big things in 2010. Brewster has been carefully and methodically stocking the cupboard with athletes all over the field, even when it has been to his detriment to do so (e.g., redshirting almost the entire 2009 class). There is A LOT of talent waiting to hit the field in the program and in the next few years we will get a chance to see that.
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On the offensive side they've been anything but methodical in their recruiting. Changing schemes 2 years in should call the true effectiveness of recruiting the first few years into question. Moving Gray to WR is openly being discussed. We have many slot back sized WR and smaller RBs who may not be best suited to a more traditional offense. It'll take another 2-3 recruiting classes to load up with the right types of players. Same goes for the OL. Lots of question marks for a coach to answer going into his fourth year and given the product that's been displayed on the field, he doesn't have a lot to hang his hat on.

I don't really care what Iowa did when or what Mason's record was at this point. All I care about is what the Gophers do and have done under Brewster's watch. Thus far the questions far outweigh the answers. Brewster will be back next year and it will likely be his last chance. Unfortunately recruiting early on will likely suffer due to his contract status. Equally unfortunate is the fact that he's done nothing to warrant an extension - even if we win the bowl game. We find ourselves in a similar situation to the end of Mason's tenure and we all know how that played out... But now is the time for "optimism" and "hope".
 

GopherHomer said:
The media is prematurely pushing Brewster out of town to simply prove that they can...Newspaper writers are a very insecure lot these days. Their walls are closing in quickly and they still want to feel like they matter and have power. They smell blood with Brewster and want to see if they still 'have it.' Doogie, well, he's just following the crowd I guess.

As for results on the field I'm obviously not in love Brewster, but I'm willing to wait until his players are juniors and seniors. Realistically we are having the exact type of seasons we had under Mason...although getting there in different ways. Instead of a competent offense and zero defense producing mediocre seasons, right now we have zero offense and a competent defense...same result. I think people are a little too nostalgic when it comes to remembering Mason's offense. Outside of maybe one season (the one where he should have beat Michigan at home) our offense destroyed patsies and was neutralized by good teams. Our defense was predictably bad every game, every year.
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I think many columnists/hosts want Brewster here a long time ... he provides more fodder than any coach imaginable ... But is he above criticism? I just want to see progress, and in '09, didn't see any outside of Stoudermire and Cooper developing.
 

Doogie said:
Nothing I write or say is personal, besides those takes being my own opinions, but to use your terminology, I don't have a vendetta. I attempt to bring balance.
I hope your guarantee comes to fruition. I want nothing more than to be able to sit on New Year's Day in Pasadena watching the Gophers hopefully pummel Washington State :).
Remember, Mason, not much, but on occasion beat a ranked team, won a conf. game in November, and beat Iowa or Wis. 3-years in w/ Brew, we have none of those in the worst 3-year stretch the Big Ten has seen in over 15-years.
It seems like there is an upgrade with talent, but he still needs to be able to coach those guys up.
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This is what people are talking about when it comes to your stance. You say you bring "balance." Others describe that balance as you simply trying to straddle the fence. Figure it out, Doogie. You clearly don't think Brewster can get it done. Fantastic. At least have the sack to say so. Don't just provide a few stats belying your feelings then go back to the "I think he deserves another year" point to show how much of a "balanced" opinion you have. You are not fooling anyone.
 

I am 85% sure he can't get it done. Willing to give him a full year when all 22 starters, or at least 20, are his guys, so no more excuses can be cited.
The 12th Man -- Where do you stand? What is your hard stance?
 

GopherHomer said:
The media is prematurely pushing Brewster out of town to simply prove that they can...Newspaper writers are a very insecure lot these days. Their walls are closing in quickly and they still want to feel like they matter and have power. They smell blood with Brewster and want to see if they still 'have it.' Doogie, well, he's just following the crowd I guess.

As for results on the field I'm obviously not in love Brewster, but I'm willing to wait until his players are juniors and seniors. Realistically we are having the exact type of seasons we had under Mason...although getting there in different ways. Instead of a competent offense and zero defense producing mediocre seasons, right now we have zero offense and a competent defense...same result. I think people are a little too nostalgic when it comes to remembering Mason's offense. Outside of maybe one season (the one where he should have beat Michigan at home) our offense destroyed patsies and was neutralized by good teams. Our defense was predictably bad every game, every year.
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He's made himself a media target through bold comments that neither his resume', nor his coaching ability, has been able to back up. If, and when, another shoe drops that has nothing to do with football, I'm sure that will be the media's fault as well, because en masse they simply hate the Gophers. Right! Pass me another Kool-aid.
 

glovedgopher said:
Minnesota 2009 average score in wins was: Gophers 28-opponents 20.
losses: Gophers 14-opponents 28.
Iowa 2001 average score in wins was: Iowa 40-opponents 17.
losses: Iowa 22-opponents 27.
Clearly the 2001 Iowa team was headed in the right direction and the AD could see it.
Sorry to say it Ferentz did show more promise after three years.
P.S. Who Hates Iowa?
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You guys who want to keep digging to try to find something in the Iowa 2001 season that was indicitive of how succesful Ferentz was going to be never tell the full story. Iowa didn't beat a Big 10 over .500. You are essentially giving them credit (and blaming Brewster) for having an easier non-conference schedule. Additionally, the two teams that the Hawkeyes didn't play that season were Ohio St., and Illinois (11-2 Big 10 Champs that season), and the Gophers had the two worst teams in the conference absent from their schedule (Indiana, Michigan). Don't you think those averages might be a bit different if we removed the Ohio St., and Penn St. and replaced them with Indiana and Michigan?

I'm not going to sit here and argue that the 2009 Gophers showed more than the 2001 Hawkeyes, but they certainly have a better win on their resume than the 2001 Hawkeyes.

We can go back and forth on the subtle differences between the 2001 Hawkeyes and the 2009 Gophers but I really find it hard to believe that any unbiased observer would call the differences anything more than minimal. Flat out....your argument about the 2001 Hawkeyes is a stretch, at best.

As far as the "garbage time" TD comments? What game are you talking about? I can remember 1 garbage time TD, and that was against Ohio St. Other than that, I really don't remember anything in garbage time that would have inflated our stats this year. In fact, I would be willing to bet that the 2008 Gophers had more "garbage time" offense than the 2009 Gophers. It's not important, but I just don't understand why Brewster bashers are unwilling to accept the fact that our offense didn't take a massive step backward, it remained about the same (bad, but not a regression).

I guess the "pound the rock" thing doesn't seem like that big of deal to me. It really isn't a tangible thing, just sort of annoying, but I think your critcism over this empty mantra should probably come after 8 months of the offense without a freshman RB and the worst QB in the Big 10. If the Gophers are still awful at running the ball in 2 years (and don't improve next season), I'd give this criticism more credence.

Lastly....Anthony Jacobs did improve.
2008: 7 tackles, 0 sacks, 2 TFL
2009: 19 tackles, 2 sacks, 6 TFL
 

Shielder said:
Am I crazy to think the local media is prematurely pushing for the ouster of Brewster because Tony Dungy appears to be available? Has Dungy ever commented on the Gopher job?
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I do not think Dungy has anything to do with it. I think the local media are pushing for an ouster because they smell blood and are looking for a story.

Disappointment is a much better story line than being outright terrible, which is why they choose to jump on the Gophers instead of the T-Wolves. Being terrible causes apathy. Being disappointed causes outrage. Just look at the columns and see. It is lazy journalism.

Brewster got people hopeful, so he was the Turkey when the team did not live up to the outrageous expectations people had regardless of the fact that his team is far better than most in the country. The Wolves, on the other hand, were supposed to be terrible so nobody cares.
 

Willie B. is right. I also don't think the O-line will be as big a problem as most people think. Another yr of lifting and agility and hopefully losing some of their puss-guts, I think they will be OK. I also wonder if the coaches don't like what they see in Moses A. With the receivers we have coming up and the possibility of Grey at rec. we could be pretty explosive. Only thing I worry about is that we have the same QB situation with Moses instead of Grey. Although he will have another yr. in the system. But unless we fall completely flat next yr. we have to giveTB 5 yrs. I'd like them to rip up his present contract and give him a new 3 yr. deal with a low buy out after 2 yrs. Then he can recruit and the program will be full circle for him to sink or swim on his record.
 

WillieBurton said:
...Brewster has been carefully and methodically stocking the cupboard with athletes all over the field, even when it has been to his detriment to do so (e.g., redshirting almost the entire 2009 class). There is A LOT of talent waiting to hit the field in the program and in the next few years we will get a chance to see that.
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Perhaps one of the more hilarious comments (from WillieBurton above) I've read in a while.:D

Hey WillieBurton, do you actually believe Brewster is more concerned with having a bunch of 5th year seniors on his 2013 squad than he was in maximizing his 2009 performance on the filed??
Seriously?:eek:
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
You guys who want to keep digging to try to find something in the Iowa 2001 season that was indicitive of how succesful Ferentz was going to be never tell the full story. Iowa didn't beat a Big 10 over .500. You are essentially giving them credit (and blaming Brewster) for having an easier non-conference schedule. Additionally, the two teams that the Hawkeyes didn't play that season were Ohio St., and Illinois (11-2 Big 10 Champs that season), and the Gophers had the two worst teams in the conference absent from their schedule (Indiana, Michigan). Don't you think those averages might be a bit different if we removed the Ohio St., and Penn St. and replaced them with Indiana and Michigan?

I'm not going to sit here and argue that the 2009 Gophers showed more than the 2001 Hawkeyes, but they certainly have a better win on their resume than the 2001 Hawkeyes.

We can go back and forth on the subtle differences between the 2001 Hawkeyes and the 2009 Gophers but I really find it hard to believe that any unbiased observer would call the differences anything more than minimal. Flat out....your argument about the 2001 Hawkeyes is a stretch, at best.

As far as the "garbage time" TD comments? What game are you talking about? I can remember 1 garbage time TD, and that was against Ohio St. Other than that, I really don't remember anything in garbage time that would have inflated our stats this year. In fact, I would be willing to bet that the 2008 Gophers had more "garbage time" offense than the 2009 Gophers. It's not important, but I just don't understand why Brewster bashers are unwilling to accept the fact that our offense didn't take a massive step backward, it remained about the same (bad, but not a regression).

I guess the "pound the rock" thing doesn't seem like that big of deal to me. It really isn't a tangible thing, just sort of annoying, but I think your critcism over this empty mantra should probably come after 8 months of the offense without a freshman RB and the worst QB in the Big 10. If the Gophers are still awful at running the ball in 2 years (and don't improve next season), I'd give this criticism more credence.

Lastly....Anthony Jacobs did improve.
2008: 7 tackles, 0 sacks, 2 TFL
2009: 19 tackles, 2 sacks, 6 TFL
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Can you admit that Iowa greatly improved from 2000 to 2001? Did Iowa play an FBS team that year? I remember when we said wait till next year now people are saying wait 2 years.
 

littlebigboy said:
YES!!!!!!!!!!!! He is here to build a program the right way!!
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People our O-line was not a bunch of Freshmen and Sophs, they were upperclassman that had plenty of time to develop. How many O-lineman did Brew recruit in 2008? It is spelled Gray not Grey.
O-line is a huge part of the game. If you can't convert a 3 and 1, you're screwed in the game of football.
 


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