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I get a little upset when people say how much talent Brewster has to work with.
A program needs 5th year seniors to be the base of your team. In 2005, we recruited more rapists than B10 starters. Sure, we got Decker and Triplett, but nothing else, and Decker missed half of the season. In 2006, we had a few nice players like Weber and Garret Brown, but not enough to make a serious impact. In 2007, again some nice players, but no game changers. The best recruit from that bunch is playing middle linebacker for Mich St.
Each of these recruiting classes should have 5-6 meaningful players, and they just don't.
I'm not a fortune teller, but I think the class of 2008,09, and this year will see far more success.
I don't know what coach would do much better with 3 years of recruiting like 05-07.
 

We're a little prone to the pro mentality in this town. We forget freshmen are mostly worthless, and sophmores only slightly better. It took Chile three years of assembling game ready talent to turn his fortunes. I think Brewster has done the same thing, except his talent needs an additional two years in the incubator first. College football is just a five year deal. Unless you're building on an established talent base, and then it's a three year deal. Brewsters OC flip-flop in self inflicted though and delays the offesive progress but only slightly because the talent acquisition wasn't compromised much in the process. All in all we're looking at 2011 until his team has both the talent and the experience required to compete at a high level.
 

Amen, people have to understand this, it is 100% correct. If some of you don't believe this is how to build a pgm you have no idea how to build a pgm., so get off it!!!!!!!!
 

I would think it'd be best to build a program with a guy who can actually coach rather than just recruit kinda well. Just from watching the team, it doesn't look like he can. They don't just lack talent, they're incredibly undisciplined and bad fundamentally. This includes older guys who have been around for awhile. There's a reason this guy was never more than a tight end coach and recruiting coordinator.

On the plus side, he has a pretty bitchin' website.
 

I know based on Ferentz's first three years he's a pretty crappy coach as well. How crappy and weak minded is Iowa's AD, he still can't pull the trigger and fire the guy. I mean really, it's been like ten years and they still haven't fired the guy. I mean with a record like his in his first three years, obviously he can't coach. And he still has a job???? I mean seriously.
 





Schnoodler said:
I know based on Ferentz's first three years he's a pretty crappy coach as well.
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Ferentz inherited a significantly worse situation, and the team also showed improvement every year over his first three before making a huge jump in his fourth. I don't see how Minnesota is any better this year than they were last.

Also, that doesn't really respond to the post I made at all. Iowa's teams weren't lacking in terms of effort or fundamentals, they just didn't have the talent to keep up and were really young. The teams were basically filled with walk-ons and 2 star guys that no one else wanted.
 



Assashian said:
The teams were basically filled with walk-ons and 2 star guys that no one else wanted.
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Um....... When looking at the rivals front page, I was always excited to see if/when we could bump all the two stars off the top ten commitments under Mason. And our three star commits typically had few, if any, other BCS offers.
 

Assashian said:
Ferentz inherited a significantly worse situation, and the team also showed improvement every year over his first three before making a huge jump in his fourth. I don't see how Minnesota is any better this year than they were last.

Also, that doesn't really respond to the post I made at all. Iowa's teams weren't lacking in terms of effort or fundamentals, they just didn't have the talent to keep up and were really young. The teams were basically filled with walk-ons and 2 star guys that no one else wanted.
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Had lunch with a friend from Iowa today, he said the same thing.
 

Assashian said:
Ferentz inherited a significantly worse situation, and the team also showed improvement every year over his first three before making a huge jump in his fourth. I don't see how Minnesota is any better this year than they were last.

Also, that doesn't really respond to the post I made at all. Iowa's teams weren't lacking in terms of effort or fundamentals, they just didn't have the talent to keep up and were really young. The teams were basically filled with walk-ons and 2 star guys that no one else wanted.
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I'll forgive you for being completely wrong. You are an Iowa Troll after all.
 

I get a little upset with two things...
1) If you support the team and want to revel in the "success" we've had over the past two years - especially this year with the monster schedule - you can't continue to throw the kids from the previous regime under the bus. I don't have time to read every post but the ones that I have, even from the most vocal critics of the current coaching staff, don't throw the recruits under the bus. Stop it.
2) We ain't in the 60's anymore. Freshmen and sophmores play and make an impact in programs all over the country. Two examples: Texas A&M gave Texas all it wanted on Thursday. I think they said that 18 freshman have played for that squad and I believe (could be wrong) they're bowl eligible. Second example is Iowa. Looking at their team leader stats before they played the Gophs, I saw more than a few freshman and sophmores on both the offense and defense. The best players usually play. Why do we think it should be any different here. Get the kids with the best talent on the field. I'd be willing to bet if the team this year had been loaded with younger players and we delivered a 6-6 the tone here would be different. At least we could point to something tangible on the field as reason for optimism. As it is, we're all guessing that the talent will improve going into next year as we look to replace all the graduating seniors who started this year...

That said I get that we need to not have continued reliance on young players and redshirting is a good thing in concept...
 



I support Brewster and think he should have at least one more year to show that he can coach the talent he has recruited. However, I have been dismayed by the lack of organization and disicipline with the team. It seems the mistakes are not corrected from game to game and the in game adjustments are not happening. I did think the defense got better as the year progressed. Yet, the offense seemed to get worse each week. I hope we don't need to change offensive coordinatiors again this year, this only sets us back again. Jed needs to learn in the off season how to shape the system around the talent he has instead of trying to shape the players to his system.
 

Schnoodler said:
I know based on Ferentz's first three years he's a pretty crappy coach as well. How crappy and weak minded is Iowa's AD, he still can't pull the trigger and fire the guy. I mean really, it's been like ten years and they still haven't fired the guy. I mean with a record like his in his first three years, obviously he can't coach. And he still has a job???? I mean seriously.
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Ferentz beat MN by the end of year No. 3 went to the Orange Bowl in his 4th year it needs to be noted.
 

Schnoodler said:
We're a little prone to the pro mentality in this town. We forget freshmen are mostly worthless, and sophmores only slightly better. It took Chile three years of assembling game ready talent to turn his fortunes. I think Brewster has done the same thing, except his talent needs an additional two years in the incubator first. College football is just a five year deal. Unless you're building on an established talent base, and then it's a three year deal. Brewsters OC flip-flop in self inflicted though and delays the offesive progress but only slightly because the talent acquisition wasn't compromised much in the process. All in all we're looking at 2011 until his team has both the talent and the experience required to compete at a high level.
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great post!
 


Schnoodler -- Many valid points ... I ask this: Where are the signs that by year No. 5 they can win at a high level?
 

Doogie said:
Ferentz beat MN by the end of year No. 3 went to the Orange Bowl in his 4th year it needs to be noted.
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thank you SO much for pointing that out!

it never fails. just when i have lost my faith in ferentz or dantonio, there's doogie to remind me of their accomplishments!
 

Doogie said:
Schnoodler -- Many valid points ... I ask this: Where are the signs that by year No. 5 they can win at a high level?
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The beauty of your point is that there is no way to prove you wrong. There is also no way to prove you right, but you clearly don't care about that.

After year five, you can look back and see what the signs are. Before that, everything is just conjecture.
 

I am not hammering home any point ... I am merely asking what I believe to be a valid question.
 

Schnoodler said:
I'll forgive you for being completely wrong. You are an Iowa Troll after all.
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Pointing out that a good coach is good and a bad coach is bad is hardly trolling. I would love nothing more than for Minnesota to extend Brewster. I hope they give him a lifetime contract. If you seriously think he's anything like Ferentz, you're not paying attention.
 

So you're no longer an Iowa fan. it's about time you gave up on that terrible coach and terrible team and terrible town. did you see how terrible Ferentz's record was his first three years!! I can't believe he's still there. What a joke!
 

That point was dumb the first time I don't know why you decided to make it again.
 

Doogie said:
Ferentz beat MN by the end of year No. 3 went to the Orange Bowl in his 4th year it needs to be noted.
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It also needs to be noted that Ferentz was 11-24 after his first three seasons and he beat a 6-6 MN team at home in his 3rd year. Brewster lost to a 10-2 Iowa team @ Iowa. But if you think comparing how one coach did against a 6-6 team to how another coach did against a 10-2 is an apt comparison, I guess we can agree to disagree.


As far as seeing anything that would indicate that they could win at a high level, I guess there really isn't any reason to believe that except that better recruiting. However, what do you think the Iowa AD saw in Ferentz after 3 seasons to make them think an Orange Bowl was a possibility the next season? They obviously made the right decision, but do you think that win over a 6-6 MN team is what sold them on Ferentz's ability to win big?

I think most of the people that you dub "Brewster Aplogists" should really be called "patience advocates", because I am certainly not opposed to getting rid of Brewster after we know he can't win, but anyone who tries to make an argument that Ferentz showed more than Brewster after three seasons is making things up on the fly. We hired the guy, the least we should do is give him a chance. If we are having this conversation two years (or possibly a year from now), I will be on the fire Brewster bandwagon.
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
It also needs to be noted that Ferentz was 11-24 after his first three seasons and he beat a 6-6 MN team at home in his 3rd year. Brewster lost to a 10-2 Iowa team @ Iowa. But if you think comparing how one coach did against a 6-6 team to how another coach did against a 10-2 is an apt comparison, I guess we can agree to disagree.


As far as seeing anything that would indicate that they could win at a high level, I guess there really isn't any reason to believe that except that better recruiting. However, what do you think the Iowa AD saw in Ferentz after 3 seasons to make them think an Orange Bowl was a possibility the next season? They obviously made the right decision, but do you think that win over a 6-6 MN team is what sold them on Ferentz's ability to win big?

I think most of the people that you dub "Brewster Aplogists" should really be called "patience advocates", because I am certainly not opposed to getting rid of Brewster after we know he can't win, but anyone who tries to make an argument that Ferentz showed more than Brewster after three seasons is making things up on the fly. We hired the guy, the least we should do is give him a chance. If we are having this conversation two years (or possibly a year from now), I will be on the fire Brewster bandwagon.
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The 10-2, 6-6 comparison is simplifying things too much ... Iowa trailed at home in just about every home game (all but 1 or 2), and last weekend was without its starting QB, and its best RB for most of the game.
Someone chimed in on this very topic on another thread, mentioning being able to see progress as Ferentz finished his 3rd year ... other diehard Iowa fans will say the same ... where is that progress with Brewster?
 

Man you just can't wait to find ways to rip this team and minimize anything that might resemble something positive while pointing out anything you can find that might look negative. You are a piece of work Doogie.
 

Doogie said:
The 10-2, 6-6 comparison is simplifying things too much ... Iowa trailed at home in just about every home game (all but 1 or 2), and last weekend was without its starting QB, and its best RB for most of the game.
Someone chimed in on this very topic on another thread, mentioning being able to see progress as Ferentz finished his 3rd year ... other diehard Iowa fans will say the same ... where is that progress with Brewster?
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What do you mean it is simplifying things too much? My point was that the 2009 Iowa football team is head and shoulders better than the 2001 MN team. You can spin all you want, but that is fact. Bringing up injuries is a joke, and a prime example of your flaming. Why bring up Iowa's injuries but not injuries to the guy who would have easily won Big 10 offensive player of the year? That same Iowa QB almost beat tOSU. I know that those points don't serve your argument, but at least try to be consistent.

Oh, and I was wrong, the 2001 Gopher football team that you think compares favorably to this years Iowa team, was 4-7 and 2-6 in the Big 10, including a loss to Toledo. So answer this simple question....do you think it is an apt comparison to compare #13 ranked 10-2 Iowa Hawkeyes (at home) with a 4-7 Gopher team (on the road)? Is that really holding the two programs to the same standard?



As far as your progress point, I think it is completely flawed. You are essentially arguing that if Brewster would have had a bad second season (3 wins like Ferentz), he would be showing better progress. You are blaming Brewster for having a decent second season. I never knew that a strong indicator for future sucess was winning 3 games in your second season.
 

Schnoodler said:
Man you just can't wait to find ways to rip this team and minimize anything that might resemble something positive while pointing out anything you can find that might look negative. You are a piece of work Doogie.
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I had my buddy, Lavelle E. Neal, on Twitter the other night say I am a maroon and gold Kool-Aid drinker, which one is it? And please, when tossing out a comment like that, provide specific examples ... please point out where I am wrong.
 

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