2025 Minnesota High School Football Thread

[Some guy]

It’s the only box the MSHSL wants to acknowledge. It’s not actually the most important one.

It is literally how they make the cut lines

 

[Some guy]

Also, heard this morning that Lambert Brown is stepping down as head coach at Wayzata. I wondered if there would be a change after two bad years.

Have also heard that.
I get that Wayzata can’t go 1-8.

Their 8 losses.
4 vs final 4 teams.
7 vs final 8 teams.
Season opener vs 5-3 Andover.

Tough job if you’re going to get pushed out 5 years after a state title for going 0-7 vs the top 8 and 1-1 vs everyone else.

 

[Ope3]

I probably am. But that could have to do with how MN runs its post season. Where football is more popular, they dont run things even remotely close to how it is done here.

Maybe it wouldn't help, but not trying, and keeping the status quo will produce in the same results. I am always trying to improve everything I do. The MSHSL doesnt approach things in the same manner, but plays everything safe, as to not upset anyone and try include all. Which results in poor process generally.

A rising tide raises all ships... what I'm trying to say is by improving how things are done the overall product should improve. I took a lot of flack last week from 3 people saying how dumb my ideas were, this week there is a lot of talk about how 16 could be a great way to improve the product

I disagree that increasing to 16 would be a great way to improve the product.

Hadn't commented previously this week because it's the same reasons as previously discussed the week before and quite frankly I am tired of the discussion.

 

[disco]

Have also heard that.
I get that Wayzata can’t go 1-8.

Their 8 losses.
4 vs final 4 teams.
7 vs final 8 teams.
Season opener vs 5-3 Andover.

Tough job if you’re going to get pushed out 5 years after a state title for going 0-7 vs the top 8 and 1-1 vs everyone else.

He may be tired of the grind as well. I believe he has young kids. My experience meeting him a few times is that he's a really nice guy. I'm sorry to see him go - he's someone I'd be happy to have my kid play for.

 

[Some guy]

He may be tired of the grind as well. I believe he has young kids. My experience meeting him a few times is that he's a really nice guy. I'm sorry to see him go - he's someone I'd be happy to have my kid play for.

Have only met him a couple of times and he has been a nice guy


High profile job. Lots of resources.
Will be interesting to see who is a candidate.

 

[Ranger692]

I disagree that increasing to 16 would be a great way to improve the product.

Hadn't commented previously this week because it's the same reasons as previously discussed the week before and quite frankly I am tired of the discussion.

I dont think that anyone has made a post giving reasons why its a bad idea, just like your above post that you just think it's a bad idea. Maybe I'm wrong on that?

I think a rebracket at 16 gets a better chance at the best 8 in the quarters. I feel some of the #2 seeds in some sections are far superior teams some years than other section's champions. All it would do is give them a chance to prove it.

 

[Ope3]

I dont think that anyone has made a post giving reasons why its a bad idea, just like your above post that you just think it's a bad idea. Maybe I'm wrong on that?

I think a rebracket at 16 gets a better chance at the best 8 in the quarters. I feel some of the #2 seeds in some sections are far superior teams some years than other section's champions. All it would do is give them a chance to prove it.

I have given several reasons why I disagree with your proposal. Multiple times.

Posts 1193, 1194, 1197, 1198 & 1208.

 

[Hucklebearer]

It is literally how they make the cut lines

I know, and obviously they need to have cut lines in place as a guide because of how many classes there are. I just believe that the common perception is more people in your school automatically gives you every advantage over someone else. The “football is a numbers game” cliche leads to a misconception that nothing else matters. The conversation about Wayzata is the perfect example. They have more students than anyone. Did that alone make them one of the best teams in the state? Of course not. Is Moorhead good right now because of their huge enrollment? Nope. They are good because of the combination of culture, unique talent, and a well run program.

 

[State of Football]

I know, and obviously they need to have cut lines in place as a guide because of how many classes there are. I just believe that the common perception is more people in your school automatically gives you every advantage over someone else. The “football is a numbers game” cliche leads to a misconception that nothing else matters. The conversation about Wayzata is the perfect example. They have more students than anyone. Did that alone make them one of the best teams in the state? Of course not. Is Moorhead good right now because of their huge enrollment? Nope. They are good because of the combination of culture, unique talent, and a well run program.

There isn’t a school that has 2000 or more students that can’t win. You need the right coach and your athletes playing football. Edina, Osseo, and Rosevile have been some of the worst teams and some of the best. Shoot, Osseo won it not that long ago. Yes, cut lines exist but if you qualify for an appeal, they look at far more than enrollment

 

[Ranger692]

I have given several reasons why I disagree with your proposal. Multiple times.

Posts 1193, 1194, 1197, 1198 & 1208.

I reread your posts. You state that we are getting the right champions. And I agree. But there are no posts on why trying to get the best 8 at the quaters is a poor idea. Just that you won your region of MN and that means you are one of the best 8. Which is false.

The current format in your mind is "good enough" and there is no need to try improve a product. Moving to a rebracket situation at 16 gives teams opportunities to play teams they dont otherwise. It also gets the #2 seeds from superior sections and opportunity to get to the quarters. Both upgrades imho. Good enough isn't what people should strive for, excellence is when we should have our sites set