2022 Transfer Portal Discussion

As long as we’re using random Gopher fan twitter accounts as our definitive account of the timeline of events for Spring 2022 recruiting, as well as for the basis for our judgements of whether or not Ben Johnson is working hard enough, here’s another account stating that we’ve contacted Jaelin Llewellyn about 18 hours before the GopherScoop tweet.

And we all know how important it is to be first or second to contact someone because they pick their school based on who called first. Good players never sit back and wait till a lot of offers come in before they evaluate them. Some portal players get so many offers they have to hire grad assistants to sort them out.

And when that happens, players and coaches never need to speak to each other. The player just says, "I'll have my grad assistant call your grad assistant."
 

Delegate what? Pulling up the list on a computer? Everybody in the portal is listed. Even fans can see it. You think the coaching staff needs someone else to compile it?

What you suggest with your panicky criticism of the coach is that he somehow doesn't know what to do, is sleeping on the job, hasn't contacted anybody yet (and you absolutely know this because you read a tweet written by a third party).

Only a moron coach would be offering his available spots right now when there are still many guys still to enter the portal, some from tournament teams. This chicken little, sky is falling, little girl panick criticism is a joke.
Did you honestly think he meant to pull a list of the people in the portal or are you intentionally moving the goalposts to make his point less practical?

He was clearly talking about having a grad assistant pour over statistics, initial game tape, etc. of everyone in the portal. He wasn't saying he needed a grad assistant to get him the names of the folks in the portal, then again, you knew that.

Get this, Nick Saban actually has grad assistants compile data on just about every high end recruit in the nation. It's a pretty normal process that you have somehow been able to make into an insult to Ben.

If Ben isn't allocating that tedious initial data collection to grad assistants, then he is in over his head.
 

I trust Ben to know what he will be getting from Fox and Ihnen next season, but IMO, we aren't in a position to avoid any good basketball player. In terms of adding depth, I'd think we could all agree we are kind of in panic mode. We played 5 players our last game.
When is the next game?
 

Delegate what? Pulling up the list on a computer? Everybody in the portal is listed. Even fans can see it. You think the coaching staff needs someone else to compile it?

What you suggest with your panicky criticism of the coach is that he somehow doesn't know what to do, is sleeping on the job, hasn't contacted anybody yet (and you absolutely know this because you read a tweet written by a third party).

Only a moron coach would be offering his available spots right now when there are still many guys still to enter the portal, some from tournament teams. This chicken little, sky is falling, little girl panick criticism is a joke.
It still amazes me how many work under the assumption that if we are not hearing about it then it must not be happening. This is especially true when it comes to recruiting.
 



Did you honestly think he meant to pull a list of the people in the portal or are you intentionally moving the goalposts to make his point less practical?

He was clearly talking about having a grad assistant pour over statistics, initial game tape, etc. of everyone in the portal. He wasn't saying he needed a grad assistant to get him the names of the folks in the portal, then again, you knew that.

Get this, Nick Saban actually has grad assistants compile data on just about every high end recruit in the nation. It's a pretty normal process that you have somehow been able to make into an insult to Ben.

If Ben isn't allocating that tedious initial data collection to grad assistants, then he is in over his head.
Does the portal information include their stats? Does the coaching staff feel a grad assistant is better qualified to evaluate game tape than they are? If the grad assistant says, "Don't waste time looking at the guard from Princeton, he can't play", is that good enough for Ben?

Comparing looking at a relative handful of portal basketball players to Nick Saban, with more resources than Ecuador, categorizing a few hundred high school football players, is patently absurd.
 


Does the portal information include their stats? Does the coaching staff feel a grad assistant is better qualified to evaluate game tape than they are? If the grad assistant says, "Don't waste time looking at the guard from Princeton, he can't play", is that good enough for Ben?

Comparing looking at a relative handful of portal basketball players to Nick Saban, with more resources than Ecuador, categorizing a few hundred high school football players, is patently absurd.
Again, you're arguing against something no one is saying. No one. You have a tendency to do this when you realize you might have overreacted. NO WHERE and I mean NO WHERE did I even hint that a grad assistant would have some sort of decision making power on the staff. I know you realize that's an insane idea which is why you're now pretending that I said it. So please try to keep the discussion to things someone actually said (or even implied) if you're capable.

But yeah, it's pretty easy to compile stats of the thousands of players who will enter the portal. Compiling that information is something Ben should delegate. Here is a small hint, that information should be as robust as possible.

Game tape? I never once hinted that Ben wouldn't watch game tape. LOL. But there are going to be hundreds of people to evaluate in a very short time frame. Think of them watching game tape like how they'd scout an opposing team (initial reactions - "can't go left", "dominated smaller opponents", "has trouble with athletic 5's", etc.). I don't know why the idea of a grad assistant doing some of these initial evaluations has pissed you off so much. There are probably 100-150 players who could legitimately come to the U next season through the portal. Each of them played 30 games. That's a TON of tape to watch even if you only watch a portion of it. Ben Johnson is a smart guy and (unlike some people here) will know how to properly delegate those tasks to folks.

Why would Nick Saban need those resources? You don't think he is a better judge of talent than them? You think Nick Saban is going to hear from some grad assistant "don't waste your time on the center from Mississippi, he can't play"? It's a pretty idiotic idea, huh? He uses those resources to compile as much information as possible for him to eventually make a decision. Just like Ben should be doing (and he certainly is).

You're the only person I've ever seen be able to manufacture an insult over the idea that someone at a really high level delegates tedious tasks to lower level people. It happens in every single job in the country, every single day. Lower level does the research/compiles the initial information, higher level makes the final decisions. It's really a simple concept that you're struggling with.
 

Wow, you only need to maintain your chicken little panic mode for seven more months.
LOL. Chicken Little? Somehow the nuance of that story is lost on you. Do you get Chicken Little was overreacting to a imagined danger?

The proverbial sky literally fell two weeks ago We didn't use all of our scholarships (unheard of) and could only play 5 players at the end of the season. You can't argue someone is being a chicken little when they are concerned about the very thing that JUST happened in our last game.

Now, I'm not really in panic mode on Ben but anyone that is not even slightly panicked about our depth for next season. I'm panicked in the sense that I think we need add talent regardless of position. If it's another 6'8" post player, but he's good, I don't care, add him.
 



Grab Llewan and Griesel and we're off to a solid start here Ben...I'll take the NW St. big too.

All are going to be really tough gets coming off a last place finish. Ben's got his work cut out.
 


Again, you're arguing against something no one is saying. No one. You have a tendency to do this when you realize you might have overreacted. NO WHERE and I mean NO WHERE did I even hint that a grad assistant would have some sort of decision making power on the staff. I know you realize that's an insane idea which is why you're now pretending that I said it. So please try to keep the discussion to things someone actually said (or even implied) if you're capable.

But yeah, it's pretty easy to compile stats of the thousands of players who will enter the portal. Compiling that information is something Ben should delegate. Here is a small hint, that information should be as robust as possible.

Game tape? I never once hinted that Ben wouldn't watch game tape. LOL. But there are going to be hundreds of people to evaluate in a very short time frame. Think of them watching game tape like how they'd scout an opposing team (initial reactions - "can't go left", "dominated smaller opponents", "has trouble with athletic 5's", etc.). I don't know why the idea of a grad assistant doing some of these initial evaluations has pissed you off so much. There are probably 100-150 players who could legitimately come to the U next season through the portal. Each of them played 30 games. That's a TON of tape to watch even if you only watch a portion of it. Ben Johnson is a smart guy and (unlike some people here) will know how to properly delegate those tasks to folks.

Why would Nick Saban need those resources? You don't think he is a better judge of talent than them? You think Nick Saban is going to hear from some grad assistant "don't waste your time on the center from Mississippi, he can't play"? It's a pretty idiotic idea, huh? He uses those resources to compile as much information as possible for him to eventually make a decision. Just like Ben should be doing (and he certainly is).

You're the only person I've ever seen be able to manufacture an insult over the idea that someone at a really high level delegates tedious tasks to lower level people. It happens in every single job in the country, every single day. Lower level does the research/compiles the initial information, higher level makes the final decisions. It's really a simple concept that you're struggling with.
Hilarious. That brief is so dumb you should file it in federal court.
 

LOL. Chicken Little? Somehow the nuance of that story is lost on you. Do you get Chicken Little was overreacting to a imagined danger?

The proverbial sky literally fell two weeks ago We didn't use all of our scholarships (unheard of) and could only play 5 players at the end of the season. You can't argue someone is being a chicken little when they are concerned about the very thing that JUST happened in our last game.

Now, I'm not really in panic mode on Ben but anyone that is not even slightly panicked about our depth for next season. I'm panicked in the sense that I think we need add talent regardless of position. If it's another 6'8" post player, but he's good, I don't care, add him.
Really doesn't matter what you are panicked about. It's childish.
 




Think Neal Quinn, 7', 280, Lafayette, is going to be Rutgers bound. From New Jersey and took an unofficial visit there already.
 

Hilarious. That brief is so dumb you should file it in federal court.
As opposed to state court? Or are your feelings just so hurt you decided to shoehorn a jab at my occupation like the rest of the loser parade?

We get it, you don't want to actually have the discussion if you don't get to debate the imagined points no one was making. It's probably a good decision, in the actual discussion you're in over your head.
 

Or, as cjbjxj might ask, did you get that book pier reviewed before publication?
Do you realize you butchered your attempt to mock his intelligence? "How dare you" is a question. Your second sentence was also incomplete.

These sorts of typos/grammar misses aren't a huge issue on message boards. . . who cares? It's just funny that someone who is now making a second post to mock someone's grammar can't do it without making the same sort of mistakes. You're at the perfect sweet spot in life where you are smart enough to find mistakes by other people but too dumb to see your own.

He misspelled a word, take your victory lap!
 
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Maybe all three of you coul
Do you realize in you butchered your attempt to mock his intelligence? "How dare you" is a question. Your second sentence was also incomplete.

These sorts of typos/grammar misses aren't a huge issue on message boards. . . who cares? It's just funny that someone who is now making a second post to mock someone's grammar can't do it without making the same sort of mistakes. You're at the perfect sweet spot in life where you are smart enough to find mistakes by other people but too dumb to see your own.

He misspelled a word, take your victory lap!
Maybe all three of you could just stop
 




As opposed to state court? Or are your feelings just so hurt you decided to shoehorn a jab at my occupation like the rest of the loser parade?

We get it, you don't want to actually have the discussion if you don't get to debate the imagined points no one was making. It's probably a good decision, inN the actual discussion you're in over your head.

As opposed to state court? Or are your feelings just so hurt you decided to shoehorn a jab at my occupation like the rest of the loser parade?

We get it, you don't want to actually have the discussion if you don't get to debate the imagined points no one was making. It's probably a good decision, in the actual discussion you're in over your head.
Last I noticed, your discussion couldn't get over the head of a midget in a deep hole. Chicken little, sky is falling, crybaby panic about the coaching staff is not actually a discussion.
 



Last I noticed, your discussion couldn't get over the head of a midget in a deep hole. Chicken little, sky is falling, crybaby panic about the coaching staff is not actually a discussion.
That's enough.
 


Loblaw manages to scuttle yet another thread with an ego driven pissing contest over nothing. Rinse, lather, repeat.
While I was reading the Board Barrister's posts I looked up from the screen to watch my dog spinning around the room nipping at his own tail. My pup had the sense to stop after about ten seconds or so. That put him ahead of our Barrister.
 

For all of those who thought transfers would slow down....

They are fairly compensated so I don't feel bad for coaches per se but man there is a lot to take in. Not only coaching but filling out your team each year and having really no idea who is staying/going each year.

If you are looking at it positively, this provides a team like ours a chance to get good quickly. 20ish years ago we would be in for a 4-5 year build trying to get freshman to come in every year and build. Now you can pluck guys and move up in a hurry. For me that is why there has been less patience with a new staff, you can build a team quick with experienced pieces. Hopefully Ben and staff either have inklings of guys leaving or get in on some of these guys early, would be nice to have a strong start to the offseason.
 

I would take this guy no question
This is a case where I see zero chance. Sessoms had a nice year and he sees that his team mates on a lower level Big Ten team are graduating (Pickett, Harrar, Cornwall and Dread). They have nothing coming back and it appears that Sessoms is looking to go somewhere where he can play in the tournament. Not here. I'd love it, but I doubt it.

BTW- Penn State is starting over next year with just Lundy and some other subs, but have a pretty solid core of 5 frosh coming in, on paper a bit higher rated group than ours.
 

This is a case where I see zero chance. Sessoms had a nice year and he sees that his team mates on a lower level Big Ten team are graduating (Pickett, Harrar, Cornwall and Dread). They have nothing coming back and it appears that Sessoms is looking to go somewhere where he can play in the tournament. Not here. I'd love it, but I doubt it.

BTW- Penn State is starting over next year with just Lundy and some other subs, but have a pretty solid core of 5 frosh coming in, on paper a bit higher rated group than ours.
Interesting. So they're pretty much in the same spot as us, maybe us a little ahead if Fox / Ihnen can play up to potential.

But yes I can't imagine Sessoms has got his heart set on MN.
 




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