$200: the final straw for this Gopher alum & lifelong fan

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Off-GridTNgopher said:
We have no NIL... we can't compete... THEIR COLLECTING NIL FROM THE STUDENTS.. HOW DARE THEY
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What is your point? I doubt that the students that are paying this fee were the ones that complained about no money for NIL. Maybe they should charge a NIL fee to the GHer's that complained about not having enough NIL
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
However that person is paying for college. Usually loans. The cost of in state tuition this year is ~18,600. That doesn't include room/board, supplies, etc.

That's ~74k for 4 years, double for out of state tuition. This is $800 over that same time for this. It's 1%.

How many other pointless fees and things students don't want to and shouldn't pay for are wrapped into these egregious tuitions? I'll bet a lot more than $800 over 4 years. This is a drop in the bucket.
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For someone who bitches all the time about needless state taxes, you sure are willing to spend other peoples money on things that are important to you.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Valued at more than $500?!?!?! No way!!!!


Yes, St. Thomas is a model exemplar in all things. After all, they have an unbelievable endowment of ~$700M and raised ~$125M last year. Meanwhile, our comparatively paltry numbers are a ~$6B endowment (4th largest in the Big Ten) and we only raised the meager sum of $392M last year. We really have a lot to learn from them.

Keep pushing that agenda, though.
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I'm no Tommy but I will say those are impressive figures for a school with an undergraduate enrollment of less than 6,000 when compared to a school with an undergraduate enrollment of 40,000.
 

State of Football said:
It’s partially what prompted reply. Having spent 20 days between Tennessee and Georgia, I was shocked how wrong I have been. (Call it Mn bias). Traffic in Atlanta is brutal brutal but their ability to support what they they have for public school facilities with Georgia Tech, Georgia, Georgia State and Kennesaw State so close to each other amazed me. Especially their athletic facilities. Lake Point area 23 miles north near Marietta, amazing youth facilities like we do not have.

Lake Linear. Amazing. (Comparative to Lake Minnetonka including the cost unfortunately)

Tennessee is more where I’d live with the number of lakes and taxes.

My opinion of how superior we have it has changed.
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Go ahead and send you kids to a public school in the South for a year or two and then bring them back up and see how far they are behind. Go ahead and try to support your family as a Police Officer or Teacher in the South. I lived in the Atlanta area for about 4 years, no thank you.
 

alchemy2u said:
For someone who bitches all the time about needless state taxes, you sure are willing to spend other peoples money on things that are important to you.
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Have 1% of tuition already wrapped up in loans go to my favorite schools athletic programs or watch 10% of my bi-weekly paycheck be wasted by fraud and money laundering as long as I lived in Minnesota.

Pretty easy choice there.
 


alchemy2u said:
Go ahead and send you kids to a public school in the South for a year or two and then bring them back up and see how far they are behind. Go ahead and try to support your family as a Police Officer or Teacher in the South. I lived in the Atlanta area for about 4 years, no thank you.
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Had family in the atl can vouch
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Have 1% of tuition already wrapped up in loans go to my favorite schools athletic programs or watch 10% of my bi-weekly paycheck be wasted by fraud and money laundering as long as I lived in Minnesota.

Pretty easy choice there.
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Why does it have to be either?
 


alchemy2u said:
Go ahead and send you kids to a public school in the South for a year or two and then bring them back up and see how far they are behind. Go ahead and try to support your family as a Police Officer or Teacher in the South. I lived in the Atlanta area for about 4 years, no thank you.
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Mine are about to be done and have had a good education here thanks to where we live.
 




GopherWeatherGuy said:
It shouldn't. But unfortunately this is the price of competitive college sports now. Even though our donors have grown, we are still in the bottom 1/3 of the B1G.
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There’s really no defensible reason for the department staffing costs as % of revenue; I’m willing to entertain some arguments.

Coyle’s AD cookbook is getting dog-eared. Way to fleece the kids.
 
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State of Football said:
It’s partially what prompted reply. Having spent 20 days between Tennessee and Georgia, I was shocked how wrong I have been. (Call it Mn bias). Traffic in Atlanta is brutal brutal but their ability to support what they they have for public school facilities with Georgia Tech, Georgia, Georgia State and Kennesaw State so close to each other amazed me. Especially their athletic facilities. Lake Point area 23 miles north near Marietta, amazing youth facilities like we do not have.

Lake Linear. Amazing. (Comparative to Lake Minnetonka including the cost unfortunately)

Tennessee is more where I’d live with the number of lakes and taxes.

My opinion of how superior we have it has changed.
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It would be incredibly easy for you to head to google to see where Minnesota ranks in quality of life, health outcomes, education, fortune 500, recreation, parks etc. The list goes on and on.

Every state has their struggling areas, and we def do, but your initial assessment of Minnesota drips with propagandist dog-whistle talking points.
 

Mr. 131 said:
It would be incredibly easy for you to head to google to see where Minnesota ranks in quality of life, health outcomes, education, fortune 500, recreation, parks etc. The list goes on and on.

Every state has their struggling areas, and we def do, but your initial assessment of Minnesota drips with propagandist dog-whistle talking points.
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Yes it does, and it's trending down. Maybe others are too. But this is the wrong board.
 



swede2 said:
I'm no Tommy but I will say those are impressive figures for a school with an undergraduate enrollment of less than 6,000 when compared to a school with an undergraduate enrollment of 40,000.
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One guy Lee Anderson has given them well over $100 million.
 

Panthadad2 said:
Ahem, non-scholarship students have been effectively paying for athletic and other scholarships since time began. This is just an itemized extra cost.
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Not true, athletic departments have been self supporting for awhile now. The revenue Minnesota gets from the TV contracts has been supporting all athletics. They occasionally run in the red but mostly they break even. Having to cough up 20.5 million from their budget to pay athletes is why they are so far in the hole. If I was a student I would be yelling bloody murder. There is another solution, start cutting non revenue sports. Make them club sports if people want to compete but no budget, coaches, or scholarships.
 

jovs said:
Not true, athletic departments have been self supporting for awhile now. The revenue Minnesota gets from the TV contracts has been supporting all athletics. They occasionally run in the red but mostly they break even. Having to cough up 20.5 million from their budget to pay athletes is why they are so far in the hole. If I was a student I would be yelling bloody murder. There is another solution, start cutting non revenue sports. Make them club sports if people want to compete but no budget, coaches, or scholarships.
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Cutting non-revenue sports is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. We don't belong in the Big Ten if you do that. A school our size should be adding sports like men's soccer. Actually it is an embarrassment we don't have soccer or lacrosse.
 

maroonfive said:
Cutting non-revenue sports is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. We don't belong in the Big Ten if you do that. A school our size should be adding sports like men's soccer. Actually it is an embarrassment we don't have soccer or lacrosse.
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Soccer and lacrosse are just poor man's hockey. 🤔😏
 

maroonfive said:
Cutting non-revenue sports is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. We don't belong in the Big Ten if you do that. A school our size should be adding sports like men's soccer. Actually it is an embarrassment we don't have soccer or lacrosse.
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Who should pay for it? How many sports ate enough to not be an embarrassment?
 

State of Football said:
The University of Minnesota is an example of the state of our state right now. There is zero leadership from any party to fix the fraud, spending a 19 billion dollar surplus and a declining population. We will lose more public schools to to a lack of students. See demographers reports. Public education is in disarray under the leadership of an educator..

Meanwhile you have not one parking dollar for athletics going to athletics. We have hockey arenas that sit unused because our high schools cannot afford what they charge to host an event paid for by public dollars. We have a football program that is valued at more than $500 and we can’t pay assistants like a top 10 program in the BIG. And now we have a 22 million bill that’s come due because our Athleta are employees.

The programs that survive should be in the BIG and SEC. I have little faith our university leadership can design an effective solution. Watch out for St. Thomas in basketball and hockey. They will be hosting our high school games as soon as next year at a fraction of the cost and will be the first or second best option for our state’s athletes. They know how to make money, spend money and maintain an endowment.

Say and think what you want, Coyle is not the problem and may be their best leader minus he does not like to speak publicly or have a public presence. We are incredibly fortunate to have a coach like Fleck who perseveres.
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That is an excellent post but you’ll get some snarky prick that will hit you with a laughing emoji..
 



jovs said:
Not true, athletic departments have been self supporting for awhile now. The revenue Minnesota gets from the TV contracts has been supporting all athletics. They occasionally run in the red but mostly they break even. Having to cough up 20.5 million from their budget to pay athletes is why they are so far in the hole. If I was a student I would be yelling bloody murder. There is another solution, start cutting non revenue sports. Make them club sports if people want to compete but no budget, coaches, or scholarships.
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If you get rid of collegiate sports leaving just second rate professional sports that pretend d they have some affiliation with the U, a lot of people will just be done with the revenue sports sports.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
It shouldn't. But unfortunately this is the price of competitive college sports now. Even though our donors have grown, we are still in the bottom 1/3 of the B1G.
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PaaS podcast was talking about this. Burns saying we lag behind our Big Ten peers in athletic department revenue outside of the TV money that every school gets from the conference.

Yeah, that conf (TV) money is going up ... but it's already spent, they were saying (Coyle was saying). They have a lot of respect for what Coyle is doing with so little resources.

Really were pleading with people to understand that this new fee was the only realistic option to try to keep up in necessary revenue growth. Unless we're going to suddenly sell a lot more football tickets (stadium size obviously limits that ... ticket prices can only go up so much) and/or donors are suddenly going to give a lot more.

Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin ... sell out their 70-80k stadiums. We don't sell out our 50k stadium.
 

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