Building on that...TCU beat Michigan and was in the national championship game 3 years ago. Houston and Villanova are college basketball powers. Hell, Northwestern--a complete afterthought in Chicago--has appeared in 2 Big Ten football championship games in the last 8 years and has played in 2 New Year's Six games in the last 30 years (2 more than us).
I think the idea that you keep changing coaches until you get a Cignetti is a pretty good recipe for sucking. The math on the number of mid level P5's changing coaches and a Cignetti situation has to be astronomical.
Monday: Not quite there yet.
Ok thanks for clarifying, I wasn't sure if you were referring to the last 10-15 years or going back 30+ years, because if it was the former I don't think you could say that about the 3 schools I pointed out.
Yeah, fans who want a coaching change are real quick to point out the times it has worked, while conveniently ignoring the significantly longer list of times where coaching changes haven't worked.
Not sure the guy who ranted and raved about keeping Ben Johnson until the bitter end is the guy we should be taking coaching advice from.
This. We complain about Fleck's not so exciting style, but Wisconsin tried something completely different from their usual and it's a total disaster.
To be fair, one could also note that while those schools all have significantly higher highs than MN, they also have some pretty horrible lows as well. Washington and Colorado had some putrid teams in that stretch.
Yes, Cignetti is an outlier not something you managed toward.
So, be satisfied with what we have in Fleck...is that your point?
Right. I don't think its reasonable to fire Fleck and I'm not one of the "this is as good as it gets" crowd. The fact of the matter is that he still wins more games than he loses, although the losses are so often so maddening. But I don't think its unreasonable to ask more of him and I also don't think its unreasonable to take the risk that he leaves on his. own.
There's a dynamic with fans and sports where if teams listened to the loudest fans ... those same fans would almost certainly quit because the result would be that the team would stink.
The U of M would be dominant in sports were it situated in Mankato and not run by horn-rims. Understand, it is Minneapolis and always has been that is the problem with the athletic department.I think the loss was to a more skilled team. My point was that I think it's easier to recruit top kids to a college town where they are adored by the fans who are not distracted or diluted by an excess of pro sports attractions. i.e. in college towns, the players are on page one while in the TC, they are on page 6. I've made this opinion on GH for many years and it is not well received. Yet it remains my opinion absent a better explanation for why the Gophers were a national power until the arrival of the big pro franchises. Thanks for the civil post. How are things in The Falls?
This is an absurdly stupid statement.
Tell me why things never work out at the U sports-wise then?
1. I already pointed out a number of programs in major cities that have had success on the football field. The city vs. college town argument is unfounded and a cop out. It MAY have mattered once upon a time, but it's about money and facilities now.
Wouldn’t this be something to be proud of as a University?
Holy crap that is an ignorant statement.....we were ahead of the curve in allowing black players to play but we were far from the only team doing it.
Given the # of openings occurring, I think Fleck getting an extension and raise is inevitable. But, yes Coyle should at least push for the majority of the new $$ to go into the assistant pool.
That's not going to happen. Neither he nor his agent would agree to it.
A demand to at least change OC's would be nice. I doubt you can micromanage beyond that.
Cignetti is a unicorn with an NIL backer. Even a unicorn can’t turn the Gophs into Indiana without that “whale” of an NIL backer. Fine to stick with PJ, who does so many things right. But PJ doesn’t seem like a tactical or X’s and O’s prodigy. He needs coordinators who are, because he is facing coordinators who are. Maybe Harbaugh and Collins grow into it. I don’t think they are quite there yet.
1000000000%. This is what it takes the Gophers to the next level. Fleck has never grown in this area and has always been our downfall. You Gotta play to win the game from the jump and not just hope the other team messes up more than you do.