Post Game Thread: Hawkeyes Humiliate Gophers

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MZBKA1 said:
Ask yourself: If you were a highly-touted football prospect, would YOU want to play for a coach who is 1-7 against one of his team's biggest rivals? Would YOU want to play for coach who can't get his team ready to play trophy games? Would YOU want to play for a coach who loses to Bowling Green?

If you answered YES to any of these questions, then you're just fooling yourself.
If you answered NO to these questions and still think Fleck should be coaching here, I envy your ability to be satisfied with mediocrity.
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Gophers were sub-'mediocre prior to Fleck.
 




I hate losing to the Pigs. I really F’ing hate it. I watched the whole thing. I need therapy. Cant understand how you can’t be fired up as a team for that game. Really have to do better these last four games.
 


Iowa may make the playoffs by the end of the season if they win out.

Host #6 Oregon
At #23 USC
Host MSU
at Nebraska

Gonna need help as they still aren’t ranked.
 



bonin21 said:
Mediocrity reigns supreme in Gopher athletics
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I was there. Total embarrassment in a rivalry game. A no show from kickoff. Coaches and team should be ashamed of themselves. Truly pathetic. PJ will say all the right things, but will anything change? The team has played 1 full game against Nebraska and 2 half games against Rutgers and Purdue. Buffalo and NW State don’t count. Tough to get excited about a team where you have no idea who will show up.
 



Willwin40 said:
I didn’t see Smith at wr today. Was he ever in the game? It looked like Lanier took his place. I didn’t hear anything about an injury.
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Both Smith and Loya were in sweats on the sidelines. Not sure why either did not play. I was there and puzzled by the lack of WR depth.
 


Gophergrandpa said:
I don't think Iowa is necessarily more physically dominant than Minnesota. Faster, yes--but not more physically dominant. Game conditions matter. Iowa came out supremely confident, knowing they were going to beat the tar out of their little brother. The Gophers came out feeling like the little brother, feeling the weight of the Ferentz/Fleck history and perhaps knowing that their O game plan would do little to stress or confuse the Iowa D.

When a Gopher team--with its lack of explosive play capability, or even mndset--is down 17-0 two minutes into the second quarter, and it is clear that your simplistic O prep and plans are hopelessly transparent and anticipated at every step by a focused, disciplined Iowa defense, and you know that your afterthought STs are operating at a huge deficit to Iowa's ST commandos, you know the game is both lost and hopelessly out of hand. You should play you hearts out nonetheless, but you know the cause is hopeless and your generals have failed to prepare you adequately for the battle. You lose heart. Call it quitting if you want. I would call it battle shock. You could see it the players body posture and eyes.

I think the Gophers will regroup and win a few more games--games in which PJ doesn't fear the opposing coach, and the opposing coach and players can't feed off that fear. Maybe fear is the wrong word; the issue is more nuanced. But Ferentz has a profound psychological advantage over PJ, and both teams feel it ... more and more each year. It feeds Iowa's strength and saps the Gopher's.

On to the MSU game!
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It's something I've noticed over the years and I will admit it doesn't necessarily translate to the bottom line in terms of performance, but Iowa is just so much more "sudden" to the ball than the Gophers under Fleck. We were a little more aggressive under Kill, but it didn't make a lot of difference on the scoreboard or in the defensive rankings. It's just been night-and-day this season. We push Nebraska around on both sides of the ball and it's a total 180 against Iowa.

Totally agree on the offensive side of things. To optimize Lindsey's and mitigate his inexperience, you have to have a better set of WRs than we currently have (and the RBs have to catch the ball).

I think we end up 7-5 (maybe 8-4) and go bowling again.
 




Breakin' The Plane said:
Nah. He hates him. Remember when Iowa was up 35-0 a few years ago and PJ was playing starters and calling timeouts with less than a minute to go trying to avoid getting shutout? Ferentz called 3 spite timeouts. You don't do that to someone you like.
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I did t say anything g about liking him I maintain that he’s amused by him— kinda line you’d be amused by a co worker who sucks but is earnest or a little brother who is dumb.
 



BronkosGhost said:
Im always impressed with the excuses my fellow Gopher fans come up with after an embarrassing lose. What advantages does Iowa have in the Environment dept?.
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I think the loss was to a more skilled team. My point was that I think it's easier to recruit top kids to a college town where they are adored by the fans who are not distracted or diluted by an excess of pro sports attractions. i.e. in college towns, the players are on page one while in the TC, they are on page 6. I've made this opinion on GH for many years and it is not well received. Yet it remains my opinion absent a better explanation for why the Gophers were a national power until the arrival of the big pro franchises. Thanks for the civil post. How are things in The Falls? :)
 

FanSinceTheFifties said:
I think the loss was to a more skilled team. My point was that I think it's easier to recruit top kids to a college town where they are adored by the fans who are not distracted or diluted by an excess of pro sports attractions. i.e. in college towns, the players are on page one while in the TC, they are on page 6. I've made this opinion on GH for many years and it is not well received. Yet it remains my opinion absent a better explanation for why the Gophers were a national power until the arrival of the big pro franchises. Thanks for the civil post. How are things in The Falls? :)
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Explain Washington, Colorado and Pitt being significantly more successful than Minnesota then. How about TCU? Georgia Tech? At least USC and Miami have inherent weather advantages over almost any schools in the country.

There may have been some merit to this position at one point. I agreed with it to some extent. But I don't now. I don't believe that any of these kids give two shits about media coverage. They care about money and amenities.
 

disco said:
Explain Washington, Colorado and Pitt being significantly more successful than Minnesota then. How about TCU? Georgia Tech? At least USC and Miami have inherent weather advantages over almost any schools in the country.

There may have been some merit to this position at one point. I agreed with it to some extent. But I don't now. I don't believe that any of these kids give two shits about media coverage. They care about money and amenities.
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Playing close to home still matters, and the talent isn’t close to here.
 

Xerxes_ said:
I don't think Ferentz hates him. They're just really different personalities. Look no further than how their teams enter the field. Ferentz steps aside and lets his team out front. Fleck runs out in front of the Gophers.
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Okay can we agree that one coach is a far better coach than the other? If yes then we just accept that? And live with that? - my last point and not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere but the absolute cheap shot by Iowa #4 on our wide out was never responded to? Just let it happen? Was it sanctioned by Iowa staff? - they left him in the game and we never responded - just saying
 

holereader said:
Okay can we agree that one coach is a far better coach than the other? If yes then we just accept that? And live with that? - my last point and not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere but the absolute cheap shot by Iowa #4 on our wide out was never responded to? Just let it happen? Was it sanctioned by Iowa staff? - they left him in the game and we never responded - just saying
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It was certainly a penalty, but I also think it’s obvious 4 thought the pass was going to that receiver.
 



50PoundHead said:
I don't know if they quit, but they were physically dominated on both lines and that is going to have to change if the program is going to be in the upper tier of the conference consistently. I don't mind losing a close or even moderately close game to anyone, but it's no fun to watch your team get manhandled and pushed around. Iowa may not have the most physically gifted skilled players, but they always push, hit, and keep hitting.
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Upper tier consistently?
 


FanSinceTheFifties said:
I think the loss was to a more skilled team. My point was that I think it's easier to recruit top kids to a college town where they are adored by the fans who are not distracted or diluted by an excess of pro sports attractions. i.e. in college towns, the players are on page one while in the TC, they are on page 6. I've made this opinion on GH for many years and it is not well received. Yet it remains my opinion absent a better explanation for why the Gophers were a national power until the arrival of the big pro franchises. Thanks for the civil post. How are things in The Falls? :)
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I won't argue with you that the more skilled team won. I've heard that argument before about recruiting to a college town versus a non college town and you might be right about that. I just dont think losing to Iowa the way we did is acceptable 9 years into Flecks tenure. The game was literally over by the end of the 1st quarter. Its one thing when it happens against Ohio St. but Iowa? Even with the talent gap that performance was abysmal. Its especially painful when you see what Indiana has done under Cignetti in such a short amount of time.
 

FanSinceTheFifties said:
I think the loss was to a more skilled team. My point was that I think it's easier to recruit top kids to a college town where they are adored by the fans who are not distracted or diluted by an excess of pro sports attractions. i.e. in college towns, the players are on page one while in the TC, they are on page 6. I've made this opinion on GH for many years and it is not well received. Yet it remains my opinion absent a better explanation for why the Gophers were a national power until the arrival of the big pro franchises. Thanks for the civil post. How are things in The Falls? :)
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Haven't been to the Falls in years.
 

disco said:
Explain Washington, Colorado and Pitt being significantly more successful than Minnesota then. How about TCU? Georgia Tech? At least USC and Miami have inherent weather advantages over almost any schools in the country.

There may have been some merit to this position at one point. I agreed with it to some extent. But I don't now. I don't believe that any of these kids give two shits about media coverage. They care about money and amenities.
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Over what period of time are you considering Colorado, Pitt, and Georgia Tech to be “significantly more successful” than Minnesota?
 

BronkosGhost said:
I won't argue with you that the more skilled team won. I've heard that argument before about recruiting to a college town versus a non college town and you might be right about that. I just dont think losing to Iowa the way we did is acceptable 9 years into Flecks tenure. The game was literally over by the end of the 1st quarter. Its one thing when it happens against Ohio St. but Iowa? Even with the talent gap that performance was abysmal. Its especially painful when you see what Indiana has done under Cignetti in such a short amount of time.
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Yes, Indiana has quickly built a powerful team. Maybe it's possible here, but 6 decades, 11 coaches, and new facilities haven't done it. Thanks for the civil discussion.
 

Gophers1992 said:
Over what period of time are you considering Colorado, Pitt, and Georgia Tech to be “significantly more successful” than Minnesota?
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Colorado, Washington and Georgia Tech have won nattys in my lifetime. The Gophers last one was 12 years before I was born.

Washington was in the national title game a couple years ago. GT right now is undefeated and ranked 8th. Pitt has two conference titles in the last 20 years, and as recently as 2021 went 11-2, won the ACC and went to the Peach Bowl.

The point is, all of these are in markets with 3 or more major pro teams.
 

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