Gophers Hartman: Gophers' Kill is underpaid and underappre

[Deleted_User]

Jerry Kill last received a raise in January of 2014 of just about $1.0 x 10[SUP]6[/SUP]. I am not in the least concerned that he may or may not feel right about his recent raise or that he became COY, or that some fanatical friends of Jerry think that a top 45 pay in the country in a field is UNWORTHY of him.

In the United States last year, there were 224,000 athletic coaches in all sports who were paid at least a part-time salary. Jerry Kill is paid in the top 1 tenth of 1 percent of these coaches. That is a fact, not an opinion. I don't care if Nick Saban makes $7 million and Jerry wants to be like Nick. I don't care! The median wage of coaches in the United States is $29,000 annually.

The University is currently constructing a monument to sports with the new athletic village of Olympic, football, and basketball facilities; of which, professors emeritus, alumni, existing faculty, consultants and contractors are currently putting together plans for all these facilities. The current culture of the University and the emerging idea of what the new culture might be is being explored at great time and expense, just so we can compete at very high levels of performance. It is an interesting goal -- the price of which is hopefully not detracting from other extraordinary goals which hope to dovetail into new revenue streams as a result of becoming an elite athletic school. This is an uncertain proposition. If Jerry Kill makes it work as planned, every penny will have been wisely spent and a great big raise will be worthy of the investment. We are not there yet. The evidence is still sketchy, but we are all pulling for a big series of victories, including revenue, donations, and academic success.

To listen to some people on GH speak about money, you would think that it should all go to the coach who only partially is responsible for the success of the program. If the training centers get built, it will be testament to the alumni, staff and state. If recruits find this place inviting, it will be due to the school, the culture of the state, and our desire to have them on board as a community and a bit of Kill and staff. To say that success is only due to the coach from here on out is simply ludicrous. We are all being asked to kick in with higher seat prices, donations, and direct support of the new facilities designs.

There really isn't a debate on what is going to happen. The funds will be raised to develop the sports complex to compete. Talent will follow the investment and directly impact recruiting, coaches will get more victories, the revenue to the school will increase, and then we can evaluate whether or not the rewards met our expectations. We are talking about real large scale sums of money here.

 

[Sparlimb]

Jerry Kill last received a raise in January of 2014 of just about $1.0 x 10[SUP]6[/SUP]. I am not in the least concerned that he may or may not feel right about his recent raise or that he became COY, or that some fanatical friends of Jerry think that a top 45 pay in the country in a field is UNWORTHY of him.

In the United States last year, there were 224,000 athletic coaches in all sports who were paid at least a part-time salary. Jerry Kill is paid in the top 1 tenth of 1 percent of these coaches. That is a fact, not an opinion. I don't care if Nick Saban makes $7 million and Jerry wants to be like Nick. I don't care! The median wage of coaches in the United States is $29,000 annually.

The University is currently constructing a monument to sports with the new athletic village of Olympic, football, and basketball facilities; of which, professors emeritus, alumni, existing faculty, consultants and contractors are currently putting together plans for all these facilities. The current culture of the University and the emerging idea of what the new culture might be is being explored at great time and expense, just so we can compete at very high levels of performance. It is an interesting goal -- the price of which is hopefully not detracting from other extraordinary goals which hope to dovetail into new revenue streams as a result of becoming an elite athletic school. This is an uncertain proposition. If Jerry Kill makes it work as planned, every penny will have been wisely spent and a great big raise will be worthy of the investment. We are not there yet. The evidence is still sketchy, but we are all pulling for a big series of victories, including revenue, donations, and academic success.

To listen to some people on GH speak about money, you would think that it should all go to the coach who only partially is responsible for the success of the program. If the training centers get built, it will be testament to the alumni, staff and state. If recruits find this place inviting, it will be due to the school, the culture of the state, and our desire to have them on board as a community and a bit of Kill and staff. To say that success is only due to the coach from here on out is simply ludicrous. We are all being asked to kick in with higher seat prices, donations, and direct support of the new facilities designs.

There really isn't a debate on what is going to happen. The funds will be raised to develop the sports complex to compete. Talent will follow the investment and directly impact recruiting, coaches will get more victories, the revenue to the school will increase, and then we can evaluate whether or not the rewards met our expectations. We are talking about real large scale sums of money here.

Very well put. We can evaluate what the right choice is later, but I'm not worried about big raises for Jerry yet. Continue to give him incentives, and hope he continues to meet them. Let's get to double digit wins, at least once.

 

[Oregon Gopher]

Yeah, that's what many of us felt when you went from "Minnesota needs to pay JK and his staff for all the things he's done and is doing that haven't been done for decades around here" to "JK has done things not done here in 50 years."

Both completely wrong and in the second case you knew it was a flat-out lie. Incredible. Oh, and yes, I threw in how he left NIU to irritate you. As for the rest of your post, pointless, except for this: "As long as he's at Minnesota, I'll pulling for the Gophers as much as any fan ever has or ever will." Now that says it all.

Last gopher coach to win at least 4 BT games in year 3 and at least 5 in year 4 was Bernie Bierman in 1935.

 

[EG#9]

Jerry Kill is certainly not underpaid

 

[Deleted_User]

Neither, it pays for Scholarship costs and facilities "upkeep"? Teague has been emphatic that none of the money is going to the $190 million.

Last Saturday, I had a friend over who works in facilities planning. The increase in ticket prices is directly related to the bonding, in as much that the bondholders want a proof of ability to pay of more than one revenue stream as the U will be taking on substantial initial bonding for the project. The idea is to get the facilities built on almost a concurrent schedule and have them available for donors to catch up to the project with naming rights, etc.

Teague would get a briefing from my buddy, and not the other way around, FYI.

 

[50PoundHead]

Good info Dean. Thanks. I work with a lot of school districts and it's the same thing when they bond. Ability to make good on the bonds is central and the U really can't go to the state for this project so they have to build up assurance internally.

 

[killme]

Yeah, that's what many of us felt when you went from "Minnesota needs to pay JK and his staff for all the things he's done and is doing that haven't been done for decades around here" to "JK has done things not done here in 50 years."

Both completely wrong and in the second case you knew it was a flat-out lie. Incredible. Oh, and yes, I threw in how he left NIU to irritate you. As for the rest of your post, pointless, except for this: "As long as he's at Minnesota, I'll pulling for the Gophers as much as any fan ever has or ever will." Now that says it all.

So you're not a Gopher fan...go away

You guys are so childish. I'm a huge Gopher fan. Your disdain is ridiculous. Most of the players on this team didn't come from Minnesota so their friends and family members aren't Gopher fans? How we came to be Gopher fans is only valid if we were born here? When Kill was hired it seemed the majority of Gopher fans were disappointed at best. Many were angry. Few believed he would succeed here. Things accomplished that haven't been done here in decades are well documented on this forum and the lie is yours to deny that.

So, Iceland12, you make disparaging remarks about JK to irritate me, which seems a perfect example of under-appreciating him. If you're an example of a "true Gopher fan," then folks like you and Souhan are among the many obstacles Kill has to overcome.

 

[gopherlaney]

He was good this year. One year doesn't make him on par with the others that have had more success at a B1G school up to this point.

He was great the last two years. With a fresh crop of WR's, Jeff Jones, Leidner with a year under his belt, and more DL help they will want to pay him before the end of next season...


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[lakesgopher]

You guys are so childish. I'm a huge Gopher fan. Your disdain is ridiculous. Most of the players on this team didn't come from Minnesota so their friends and family members aren't Gopher fans? How we came to be Gopher fans is only valid if we were born here? When Kill was hired it seemed the majority of Gopher fans were disappointed at best. Many were angry. Few believed he would succeed here. Things accomplished that haven't been done here in decades are well documented on this forum and the lie is yours to deny that. So, Iceland12, you make disparaging remarks about JK to irritate me, which seems a perfect example of under-appreciating him. If you're an example of a "true Gopher fan," then folks like you and Souhan are among the many obstacles Kill has to overcome.

You're not a "huge gopher fan," you already said when kills gone you are too. Take your weird man crush some place else.

 

[killme]

You're not a "huge gopher fan," you already said when kills gone you are too. Take your weird man crush some place else.

Punctuation error aside, your comment is incorrect regarding what I "already said." Weird man crush? Not sure how you get to that, and unfortunately for you, it seems, I'm not going anywhere.

 

[kellyleeks]

Wow. Just a week or so ago Limegrover was awful and Kill couldn't recruit a QB. how did Kill improve so much in a week?

At the beginning of the season I wanted him to be extended. I've supported Limegrover's play calling all along.

Funny thing, if we don't win the bowl game (I think we will) then I'm guessing the "Kill supporters" will jump off the bandwagon.

 

[Iceland12]

Last gopher coach to win at least 4 BT games in year 3 and at least 5 in year 4 was Bernie Bierman in 1935.

killme was referring to Jerry's ability to walk on water and turn that water into wine..

 

[Iceland12]

Last Saturday, I had a friend over who works in facilities planning. The increase in ticket prices is directly related to the bonding, in as much that the bondholders want a proof of ability to pay of more than one revenue stream as the U will be taking on substantial initial bonding for the project. The idea is to get the facilities built on almost a concurrent schedule and have them available for donors to catch up to the project with naming rights, etc.

Teague would get a briefing from my buddy, and not the other way around, FYI.

Which would explain why Woody has been so empathic that the money isn't going to the building of the facilities. Not surprising that he wouldn't want the connection to the bond issue to be publicly discussed I guess.

 

[killme]

killme was referring to Jerry's ability to walk on water and turn that water into wine..

weak.

 

[hungan1]

Jerry would rather take care of his staff and assistants than to get another raise for himself.

 

[lakesgopher]

weak.

you meant to say "Amen"

 

[killme]

you meant to say "Amen"

You obviously didn't go to school in Minnesota, which is among the best states for K-12 education. Spelling, punctuation, grammar and when to capitalize is offered at most schools. I suggest you attend one.

 

[Sparlimb]

He was great the last two years. With a fresh crop of WR's, Jeff Jones, Leidner with a year under his belt, and more DL help they will want to pay him before the end of next season...


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Could be. What ended up doing Mason in was the inconsistency and the inability to get to 5 Big Ten wins consistently. If JK can consistently get 5 and sometimes 6 B1G wins, then he'll get another hefty raise soon as will his assistants.

 

[Oregon Gopher]

If Kill and his staff were the CEO and Executive Board of a large company and brought a floundering corporation from last in market share to being in the top third they would be deified and provided ample remuneration. Why should this situation be any different. You pay based on performance and potential- otherwise we can lose Kill in the next couple years and go back to being Control Data with a Wacker, Salem, Brewster or Gutekunst at the helm.

 

[lakesgopher]

You obviously didn't go to school in Minnesota, which is among the best states for K-12 education. Spelling, punctuation, grammar and when to capitalize is offered at most schools. I suggest you attend one.

u need a better response, this isnt a language arts class. if u are that worried about punctuation/grammar/etc maybe u should go somewhere else. please go somewhere else

i did go to the U, where did u go?

 

[SMU GOPHS FAN]

Whoa, whoa, whoa Sid. It is common knowledge Kill has taken less money so his staff can get more. Don't make it out like he is underpaid.

 

[GopherinFlorida]

Last Saturday, I had a friend over who works in facilities planning. The increase in ticket prices is directly related to the bonding, in as much that the bondholders want a proof of ability to pay of more than one revenue stream as the U will be taking on substantial initial bonding for the project. The idea is to get the facilities built on almost a concurrent schedule and have them available for donors to catch up to the project with naming rights, etc.

Teague would get a briefing from my buddy, and not the other way around, FYI.

This is what I have been saying from the moment the increase was announced and that they announced all three years. The only reason to put all that out there at once was to support a bond issue to finance the entire project at once. I have no doubt that in the spring, shovels on the BB and FB practice facilities along with the excellence center will all go in the ground and this entire project is 100% done in 3 years.

 

[saintpaulguy]

Wayne and Garth will run the excellence center.

 

[Gopher Warrior]

That could be true. Do you care to actually point out the lies and and provide us with the truth backed by provable facts and evidence?

Remember when you were cryptically insinuating that Gaston Diedhiou was being forced out by Pitino and others because Pitino wanted better recruits to take his scholarship? We all sure do. Those insinuations were absurd.

You're simply not a credible person. Do you ever actually back up your assertions, or do you post cryptic conspiracies and call other reporters out without you ever actually posting the truth so others cannot actually call you a liar to your face when your conspiracies and insinuations don't pan out?

Per your request re: the lies by the STrib in this article. FACT CHECK: Star Tribune on Kill's Contract.

As for Gaston.. that's not what I said, but I would urge you to take a look at the current status and situation of Diedhiou and see if you haven't come around to some of my commentary from this fall.

 

[gophmeister]

Wow you really took that nonagenarian to task there with your little blog. Sid was also wrong about his salary since Kill only made $2.1 million in 2014 ($600k base, $900k supplemental, $600K retirement). Why didn't you point out that obvious 'lie?' Kill may not be the lowest paid coach, but he's only paid more than 5 other conference coaches and he's only making a $100k more than Randy Edsall and $350k than Darrell Hazel. His incentive package adds up to more than Urban Meyer's for benchmarks like gpa, attendance, etc, but you conveniently ignore Meyer's bonus that will pay him almost $2 million over the next three years just for sticking around. Not to mention his base compensation is more than twice what Kill's is and even if Kill got all of his incentives he'd still make about $1.2 million less than Meyer's base salary. But you say comparing Kill's contract to Meyer's is bizarre. Let's compare Edsall's contract at Maryland to Kill's. He get's $2 million plus very similar incentives around winning, attendance and academics including NCAA academic progress rate 940 or higher: $25,000, 950 or higher: $50,000 and graduation rate 65% or higher: $25,000, 75% or higher: $50,000 85% or higher: $75,000. That's pretty much in line with what Kill gets. Not the same obviously but a close facsimile. In fact all the coaches on the lower end of the pay scale have contracts heavy in incentives. It's not quite boilerplate but they aren't as outrageous or unusual as you make them sound.

I'm not sure what motivates your vitriol against Kill. You seem to have taken a lot of pleasure in his epilepsy and making spurious predictions about his future in coaching. Now that he appears to have resolved his health issues and has the team on a positive trajectory you react by kicking sand in the face of a man in his 90s. You're piece of work, buddy.

 

[Great Plains Gopher]

Sid has said the same about every coach since Warmath. They are all fabulous and under-appreciated.

 

[Great Plains Gopher]

Not sure how saying if Kill leaves he will have leave the program in good shape is a losers mentality.

And if Kill goes 6-6 next year is he as good as gone? But of course 6-6 is out of the question isn't it.

Kill could go 6-6 next year - it is going to take more time to get to 9, 10 wins. Nebraska, Wisconsin and Michigan will be better, tOSU amazing, Mich. State excellent, Rutgers competitive, ditto NW and Penn State. Winning a B10 title for us may be way down the road.

 

[Gopher Warrior]

Wow you really took that nonagenarian to task there with your little blog. Sid was also wrong about his salary since Kill only made $2.1 million in 2014 ($600k base, $900k supplemental, $600K retirement). Why didn't you point out that obvious 'lie?' Kill may not be the lowest paid coach, but he's only paid more than 5 other conference coaches and he's only making a $100k more than Randy Edsall and $350k than Darrell Hazel. His incentive package adds up to more than Urban Meyer's for benchmarks like gpa, attendance, etc, but you conveniently ignore Meyer's bonus that will pay him almost $2 million over the next three years just for sticking around. Not to mention his base compensation is more than twice what Kill's is and even if Kill got all of his incentives he'd still make about $1.2 million less than Meyer's base salary. But you say comparing Kill's contract to Meyer's is bizarre. Let's compare Edsall's contract at Maryland to Kill's. He get's $2 million plus very similar incentives around winning, attendance and academics including NCAA academic progress rate 940 or higher: $25,000, 950 or higher: $50,000 and graduation rate 65% or higher: $25,000, 75% or higher: $50,000 85% or higher: $75,000. That's pretty much in line with what Kill gets. Not the same obviously but a close facsimile. In fact all the coaches on the lower end of the pay scale have contracts heavy in incentives. It's not quite boilerplate but they aren't as outrageous or unusual as you make them sound.

I'm not sure what motivates your vitriol against Kill. You seem to have taken a lot of pleasure in his epilepsy and making spurious predictions about his future in coaching. Now that he appears to have resolved his health issues and has the team on a positive trajectory you react by kicking sand in the face of a man in his 90s. You're piece of work, buddy.

No. Stop making things up and stick to what was written. Sid wasn't wrong about $2.3M. He said the contract AVERAGED that amount over the life of contract. The other nonsense you're talking about is unrelated to the issue - a claim that he's one of THE lowest paid coaches at a major program. It's nonsense.

No one is kicking sand in the face of an elderly man. LNH asks that the Star Tribune not lie. That's it. Not an unreasonable request of a newspaper that so many non-thinkers accept as gospel.

 

[MaxyJR1]

Kill could go 6-6 next year - it is going to take more time to get to 9, 10 wins. Nebraska, Wisconsin and Michigan will be better, tOSU amazing, Mich. State excellent, Rutgers competitive, ditto NW and Penn State. Winning a B10 title for us may be way down the road.

Kill could go 9-3 next year. We don't play MSU, PSU, or Rutgers. They are in another division. NE, WI, & MI all have new coaches and two of those games are at TCF.


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[gophmeister]

No. Stop making things up and stick to what was written. Sid wasn't wrong about $2.3M. He said the contract AVERAGED that amount over the life of contract. The other nonsense you're talking about is unrelated to the issue - a claim that he's one of THE lowest paid coaches at a major program. It's nonsense.

No one is kicking sand in the face of an elderly man. LNH asks that the Star Tribune not lie. That's it. Not an unreasonable request of a newspaper that so many non-thinkers accept as gospel.

I read past average but that doesn't mean the you're not a prick regardless of what name you call yourself J.B. Bauer.