Separated at birth...coaching wise. Paul Chrystt and Tim Brewster

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Pitt unbelievably bad. I will say this, Chryst has a much better talent pool than Brewster did in his first year.
 

How are they similar?

I always was under the impression that Chryst was more of an X's and O's guru who didn't really have much interest in recruiting and I've always thought of Brew being the exact opposite.
 

Yeah, they were separated at birth. Went in opposite directions. LOL
 


Pitt is a good example of coaching turnover taking its toll. Todd Graham wanted to implement a fast offense, and now Chryst wants the power offense. It's a tough transition.
 


GopherInPittsburgh said:
Pitt is a good example of coaching turnover taking its toll. Todd Graham wanted to implement a fast offense, and now Chryst wants the power offense. It's a tough transition.
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While true, you'd have to wonder if he changed tackling schemes too. Because the Pitt D has A LOT of work to do on wrapping up and taking the right angles.
 

ruppertflywheel said:
Pitt unbelievably bad. I will say this, Chryst has a much better talent pool than Brewster did in his first year.
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Ruppey, the difference is that Glen Mason, with the veteran O line and Weber would have won 6 or 7 games and your hero Brewx Bag won one game.

The Mason/ Gordy running system would have steamrolled all the NC cupcakes plus IU and a there would have been a couple of other wins there = 7-5 or 6-6.

Your hero, coach Brew managed to win one game!
 

Great job comparing almost four years of results to one game.
 





oak_street1981 said:
Ruppey, the difference is that Glen Mason, with the veteran O line and Weber would have won 6 or 7 games and your hero Brewx Bag won one game.

The Mason/ Gordy running system would have steamrolled all the NC cupcakes plus IU and a there would have been a couple of other wins there = 7-5 or 6-6.

Your hero, coach Brew managed to win one game!
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Let's take a look at the 2007 season and the stalwart recruiting classes Mason left Brewster.

In Brewster's first year in 2007 at various times he was forced to play six (6) true freshman and three (3) red shirt freshman who each were in the starting line-up for a minimum of 5 games and as many as 12 games. Furthermore, 7 of the 9 freshman players who had never before been on a college football field were in the starting line-up at one of the following positions during 2007:

- Quarterback
- Running Back
- Wide Receiver
- Defensive Back

Brewster also played 11 sophomores who each started at least 1 game for the Gophers in 2007. It is particularly interesting to focus on Mason's 2005 recruiting class and its contribution to the 2007 Gopher season.

I am still looking for the "veteran offensive line" that formed the backbone of the team that Mason left to Brewster. I can't seem to find it anywhere. All I can find is:

- Tony Brinkhaus (Sr - 12 games)
- Steve Shidell (Sr - 1 game)
- Matt DeGeest (RS Jr - 7 games)
- Ned Tavale (RS So - 7 games)
- Ryan Ruckdashel (RS So - 2 games)
- Jeff Tow-Arnett (RS So - 1 game)
- DJ Burris (RS Fr - 11 games)
- Dominic Alford (RS Fr - 5 games)

The thing that should stand out for most fans is the fact a true freshman from Colorado with no other Division I offers of any kind (and presumably no interest from any other teams) started 6 games and was anchoring the Gopher's defensive backfield at the end of the season. You all know his name - Kyle Theret. A slow and under-sized safety with limited coverage skills or ability. He had a ton of heart but very little else to recommend that he should be starting against Big 10 offenses as a true freshman.

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Gopher football players who started at least one game during the 2007 season (Brewster's first year when he was given all of three weeks to put together a coaching staff and recruit his first class):

2003 Recruits (out of 27)

- Neel Allen (RS Sr) (3 games)
- Tony Brinkhaus (RS Sr) (12 games)
- Jamal Harris (RS Sr) (8 games)
- Amir Pinnix (RS Sr) (4 games)
- John Shevlin (RS Sr) (9 games)
- Steve Shidell (RS Sr) (1 game)
- Desi Steib (RS Sr) (5 games)
- Justin Valentine (RS Sr) (1 game)
- Ernie Wheelright (RS Sr) (12 games)

2004 Recruits (out of 26)

- Dominique Barber (Sr) (12 games)
- Matt DeGeest (RS Jr) (7 games)
- Deon Hightower (RS Jr) (8 games)
- Jack Simmons (RS Jr) (7 games)
- Willie VanDeSteeg (RS Jr) (6 games)

*Transfers/Walk-ons

- Todd Meisel (Sr) (12 games)
- Mike Sherels (Sr) (7 games)

2005 Recruits (out of 20)

- Steve Davis (Jr) (8 games)
- Eric Decker (RS So) (12 games)
- Ryan Ruckdashel (RS So) (2 games)
- Ned Tavale (RS So) (7 games)
- Jay Thomas (RS So) (1 game)

*Transfers/Walk-ons

- Kevin Manion (Jr) (3 games)
- Nick Tow-Arnett (RS So) (2 games)
- Jeff Tow-Arnett (RS So) (1 game)

2006 Recruits (out of 26)

- Dominic Alford (RS Fr) (5 games)
- Garrett Brown (So) (3 games)
- D.J. Burris (RS Fr) (11 games)
- Lee Campbell (So) (12 games)
- Adam Weber (RS Fr) (12 games)

*Transfers/Walk-Ons

- Duran Cooley (Jr) (4 games)
- Ray Henderson (So) (1 game)
- Marcus Sherels (So) (1 game)

2007 Recruits (out of 24)

- Duane Bennett (Fr) (7 games)
- Ryan Collado (Fr) (9 games)
- Tray Herndon (Fr) (7 games)
- Ralph Spry (Fr) (6 games)
- Kyle Theret (Fr) (6 games)
- Curtis Thomas Fr) (5 games)

*Transfers/Walk-ons

- Eric Small (So) (6 games)
- D. Onwuachi (So) (5 games)
 

Tthis tthread was pretttty tterrible, Ruppertt. We gett your obsession witth Becky, butt enough already. Paul Chrystt and Ttim Brewstter are aboutt as dissimilar as ttwo middle-aged whitte guys who botth coached major college foottball in tthe Upper Midwestt could be.
 

ruppertflywheel said:
Pitt unbelievably bad. I will say this, Chryst has a much better talent pool than Brewster did in his first year.
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There are a lot of dumb threads on this board, but this one might take the cake. Jerry Kill was also 0-2 to start last season.
 



If I remember correctly, didn't Pitt go through a stretch where they had like 4 different head coaches in 12 months? I think their players have been through a lot of transition, don't discount this on how it affects their psyche and play.
 

John Galt said:
If I remember correctly, didn't Pitt go through a stretch where they had like 4 different head coaches in 12 months? I think their players have been through a lot of transition, don't discount this on how it affects their psyche and play.
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Yup. Wannstedt, Mike Haywood for 15 days, Todd Graham, and now Chryst
 

dpodoll68 said:
Tthis tthread was pretttty tterrible, Ruppertt. We gett your obsession witth Becky, butt enough already. Paul Chrystt and Ttim Brewstter are aboutt as dissimilar as ttwo middle-aged whitte guys who botth coached major college foottball in tthe Upper Midwestt could be.
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Did you even watch the game? Better yet, did you even sniff out the first game against Youngstown State? A Pop Warner coach could tell you there were really some bad coaching decisions, especially in the red zone. Dipodoll, we get that you think your sh-t don't stink. You seem to relish attacking other posters in whatever point fancies you. Do you slap your kids
If they don't use the short fork for salad? Unreal....
 

ruppertflywheel said:
Did you even watch the game? Better yet, did you even sniff out the first game against Youngstown State? A Pop Warner coach could tell you there were really some bad coaching decisions, especially in the red zone. Dipodoll, we get that you think your sh-t don't stink. You seem to relish attacking other posters in whatever point fancies you. Do you slap your kids
If they don't use the short fork for salad? Unreal....
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I didn't watch a second. How the game turned out last night has almost nothing to do with your "point". Tim Brewster and Paul Chryst are literally almost as different as two football coaches can be. Period.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I didn'tt wattch a second. How tthe game tturned outt lastt nightt has almostt notthing tto do witth your "pointt". Ttim Brewstter and Paul Chrystt are litterally almostt as differentt as two foottball coaches can be. Period.
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Gopher07 said:
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Whoa there cowboy. They both were ass't coaches; considered good recruiters. Chryst
had the OC to his resume at Wisconsin and Oregon State. At Oregon State
early on he had TE/WR responsibility. His mannerisms on the sideline mirrored that of Brewster,
Except for the " arm folding ". Chryst came in with a pro-set scheme based on pounding the ball with the RB's. Pitt threw the ball more averaging 210 yards in the air versus 140 yards on the ground. They threw the ball 100 more times than Wisconsin. Pitt averaged 3.5 yds running the ball. Wisconsin 5.4 yds. Pitt does not have the OL to pound the ball like Chryst wants to do. ( If you had watched the game, you would've noticed that) Brewster came in and tried to take a Mason team designed to run the ball and tried to run the spread option with Weber. Birds of a feather....
 

ruppertflywheel said:
considered good recruiters
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Stopped reading after this.

Try to know something about the subject before you post. Becky fans' #1 complaint about Chryst is that he was not a very good recruiter for them. In fact, many stated that he practically loathed that portion of the job. Brewster lives and breathes that portion of it.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Stopped reading after this.

Try to know something about the subject before you post. Becky fans' #1 complaint about Chryst is that he was not a very good recruiter for them. In fact, many stated that he practically loathed that portion of the job. Brewster lives and breathes that portion of it.
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Hmm...check his current class. If he had loathed recruiting he would have stayed in the comfort zone of OC at Wisconsin. If he was such a bad recruiter do you think Barry and BB
would have kept him on board? Of course in your way of thinking Becky fans know more about
The ills of coach Chryst than his bosses do. Dipdoll, you're a beauty.
 

ruppertflywheel said:
Hmm...check his current class. If he had loathed recruiting he would have stayed in the comfort zone of OC at Wisconsin. If he was such a bad recruiter do you think Barry and BB
would have kept him on board? Of course in your way of thinking Becky fans know more about
The ills of coach Chryst than his bosses do. Dipdoll, you're a beauty.
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You're absolutely 100% wrong on this, period. Just give it up. Becky fans complained incessantly about his lack of interest in/aptitude for recruiting the entire time he was there, and Pitt fans have done the same practically from the moment he was hired. And that's only one facet. They are incredibly dissimilar in virtually every aspect. Don't get mad at me for getting called out for starting a stupid thread with stupid points that are not based in reality. They stand with their arms the same on the sideline? Eureka, you've discovered it! Educate yourself and have something salient to contribute to the discussion before you post, let alone start a new thread.
 

ruppertflywheel said:
Hmm...check his current class. If he had loathed recruiting he would have stayed in the comfort zone of OC at Wisconsin. If he was such a bad recruiter do you think Barry and BB
would have kept him on board? Of course in your way of thinking Becky fans know more about
The ills of coach Chryst than his bosses do. Dipdoll, you're a beauty.
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Dpo is spot on regarding Chryst. Wisky loved his game planning and coaching abilities, but he was known as a recruiting liability. He accepted a head coaching position because just like 90+% of coaches, and people for that matter, he desired to be promoted and given more responsibility and pay. As a HC, he can assign a lot of the recruiting responsibilities to others. Chryst was a good OC, and it's unknown yet how he will fare as a HC. 2 games don't tell the whole story.
 

17 commitments. 2 graded at 4 star on Scout. One 4 star on Rivals.
Went to the Pitt Rivals site. They seemed quite pleased with the current class. As all fans do, they were questioning his coaching decisions in both games. Also, you may want to look at his staff. I wouldn't say they're the whose who of recruiting as a staff.
 

It isn't hard to recruit when you're a first-year head coach at a BCS school, your program is a dumpster fire, you have plenty of playing time to sell, and you're located in a talent-rich area. By those standards, Pitt recruiting is going quite poorly. Seven two-stars?

I'm not very familiar with the rest of Pitt's staff, but I do know that Joe Rudolph is widely considered one of the best recruiters in the country. Becky fans were clamoring for him to be Chryst's replacement seemingly based on little more than him being considered easily the best recruiter on staff.

One would think that, with all the time you spend on Beckyville, you would've learned most (or any) of this stuff via osmosis.

This is like competing against a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest.
 

I'm sorry you've only one leg. Kill's last class proves the 2 star theory is pure conjecture. Stay a legend in your own mind my friend.
 

ruppertflywheel said:
I'm sorry you've only one leg. Kill's last class proves the 2 star theory is pure conjecture. Stay a legend in your own mind my friend.
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What does Kill have to do with anything? When proven to have a stupid "point", 'tis better to back away from said "point" than to attempt to continue to defend an indefensible point and somehow making yourself look even more stupid in the process.
 

As I said in my first reply to this thread, Chryst has always been thought of as someone who didn't have any interest in recruiting. He is a good offensive coordinator, supposed to be a good X's and O's guys, but was utterly disinterested in recruiting. This is part of the reason why so many people pegged Chryst as an NFL guy.
 

to add fuel to the dumpster fire- You ain't seen nothin yet in Pitt. In 2007 when Brewster started spelling in the underclassmen, the upperclassmen began going through the motions and it was quitball esp. on defense. I pretty much expect the same thing to happen in Pitt.
 

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