Who should be in the 12 team playoffs?

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USAF said:
False.
A committee somewhere, some time ago, decided the NFL playoff structure. 4 division winners plus 3 wild cards in each conference.

Similar to how some committee, some time ago, decided the structure of who makes the CFP. Conference champs are part of that structure.
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Yeah okay whatever you say
 


USAF said:
First rule of holes:
When you find yourself in one, stop digging.
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I think the more apt quote in this situation is,

Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference” –Mark Twain​

 

BronkosGhost said:
I think the more apt quote in this situation is,

Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference” –Mark Twain​

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You're the one showing your ignorance of how the playoff teams were chosen this season.

All the conferences agreed that the top five ranked FBS conference champions got automatic bids.
This is how JMU and Tulane got in. Nobody voted them in. No committee conspired for or against anyone. The criteria was set long before the season started and every team in the country knew it.

You seem to think they should change the rules after the games were played. That isn't how it works, nor should it. Either you're trolling, or you yourself are the fool in this scenario, as we have tried to explain why these teams got in.
 

disco said:
You're the one showing your ignorance of how the playoff teams were chosen this season.

All the conferences agreed that the top five ranked FBS conference champions got automatic bids.
This is how JMU and Tulane got in. Nobody voted them in. No committee conspired for or against anyone. The criteria was set long before the season started and every team in the country knew it.

You seem to think they should change the rules after the games were played. That isn't how it works, nor should it. Either you're trolling, or you yourself are the fool in this scenario, as we have tried to explain why these teams got in.
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference” –Mark Twain​

 


disco said:
You're the one showing your ignorance of how the playoff teams were chosen this season.

All the conferences agreed that the top five ranked FBS conference champions got automatic bids.
This is how JMU and Tulane got in. Nobody voted them in. No committee conspired for or against anyone. The criteria was set long before the season started and every team in the country knew it.

You seem to think they should change the rules after the games were played. That isn't how it works, nor should it. Either you're trolling, or you yourself are the fool in this scenario, as we have tried to explain why these teams got in.
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Dont feed the trolls.
 


BigGopher69 said:
Are we all enjoying the Tulane game, they definitley deserved to be in
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They weren’t even near the cut line


You can exclude certain conference if you want, but there’ll be lawsuits (and so that’s why there are 5 conference champ bids guaranteed)


So far in the playoffs 5/6 teams have looked like big ten west contenders + ole miss
 

Ope3 said:
The CFB committee did not "decide" to put in Tulane & JMU. They were required to based on the pre-determined format.

They won the games they needed to win to be amongst the Top 5 Ranked Conference Champions and earned their bids.
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Sometimes I wonder if people really would’ve felt better with 8-5 duke getting blown out instead of James Madison
 



JMU looks mediocre

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JMU looks mediocre but better than Miami,
A&M, bama, Oklahoma, and Tulane
 
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Some guy said:
They weren’t even near the cut line


You can exclude certain conference if you want, but there’ll be lawsuits (and so that’s why there are 5 conference champ bids guaranteed)


So far in the playoffs 5/6 teams have looked like big ten west contenders + ole miss
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What's the legal theory or cause of action?
Some guy said:
Sometimes I wonder if people really would’ve felt better with 8-5 duke getting blown out instead of James Madison
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I think the reality is that there are truly only a few teams that are real contenders and the gap between those teams and other highly ranked teams is pretty wide no matter what conference they play in. I used to suggest in an FCS forum that you could rank teams 1 through 3 or 4 and then 4 through 10 or 12 should be left blank. I think you could do likewise at FBS.
 




BigGopher69 said:
Crazy if you think their better then A&M, Bama, Oklahoma. Texas, Notre Dame, or Vanderbilt would make competitive games over these group of 5 schools
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What kind of semi-literate word salad is this? What are you even trying to say?
 

disco said:
What kind of semi-literate word salad is this? What are you even trying to say?
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Is "better" the subject? Like PJ's change your best? I don't get what sequence the SEC schools are part of though.
 

swede2 said:
What's the legal theory or cause of action?
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There is no such thing as P5/G5. It's a media created term. It has no real definition in terms of classification. There is one division we are talking about and it's D1-FBS. It has 9 (10 next year with the PAC12 coming back) conferences. The legal theory is that if the B1G and SEC collude to exclude over 50 percent of schools AT THEIR SAME LEVEL the courts will side with the schools/conferences being excluded.
 

swede2 said:
Is "better" the subject? Like PJ's change your best? I don't get what sequence the SEC schools are part of though.
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Literally nothing in his post makes any sense. It's just a bunch of words thrown together.
 

And anyone griping about not having entertaining matchups must not have watched that shit show today between A&M and Miami. That was one of the worst games ever.
 

disco said:
There is no such thing as P5/G5. It's a media created term. It has no real definition in terms of classification. There is one division we are talking about and it's D1-FBS. It has 9 (10 next year with the PAC12 coming back) conferences. The legal theory is that if the B1G and SEC collude to exclude over 50 percent of schools AT THEIR SAME LEVEL the courts will side with the schools/conferences being excluded.
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But what's the theory? Is there a contractual obligation that certain conferences have to the others? I don't see it. The NCAA creates the classification but does not control the postseason. Is it an antitrust issue? If so, why doesn't the same apply to conference affiliation? Or independents with respect to CFP other than Notre Dame? Is there some other theory? That's the question I ask and it has nothing to do with the question of whether all NCAA FBS conferences have an avenue to the CFP, on which we disagree. When the the P4 or P2 plus some create a playoff that excludes Conference USA, they will have effectively created their own subdivision, whatever the NCAA tells the schools about roster and scholarship limits. But I see no legal basis for schools or conferences to bully their way into the CFP.
 

swede2 said:
But what's the theory? Is there a contractual obligation that certain conferences have to the others? I don't see it. The NCAA creates the classification but does not control the postseason. Is it an antitrust issue? If so, why doesn't the same apply to conference affiliation? Or independents with respect to CFP other than Notre Dame? Is there some other theory? That's the question I ask and it has nothing to do with the question of whether all NCAA FBS conferences have an avenue to the CFP, on which we disagree. When the the P4 or P2 plus some create a playoff that excludes Conference USA, they will have effectively created their own subdivision, whatever the NCAA tells the schools about roster and scholarship limits. But I see no legal basis for schools or conferences to bully their way into the CFP.
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siniardlaw.com

Can Florida State Sue the College Football Playoff Committee?

Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody announced an antitrust investigation into the College Football Playoff Committee yesterday. The unprecedented move
siniardlaw.com siniardlaw.com

This discusses it a bit in relation to FSU being shut out of the four team playoff a few years ago.
The conferences, plus Notre Dame, all have to agree, at least for now, on the format of the post season. If there is collusion to prevent access to the postseason the courts may not find that to be legal.

By continuing to have the lesser conferences have access, it can shield the B1G and SEC from legal action. That's not why I think there should be equal access - I think there should be because it is one level of football, and at all other levels, conference champs get autobids. But I do think it's why we wont see a major change right now.
 

disco said:
What kind of semi-literate word salad is this? What are you even trying to say?
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Let me try to provide some grammar and spelling and see if this makes more sense (referring to JMU):

"(You're) crazy if you think they're better then A&M, Bama, (or) Oklahoma.
Texas, Notre Dame, or Vanderbilt would make (more) competitive games (rather than) these group of 5 schools."
 

USAF said:
Let me try to provide some grammar and spelling and see if this makes more sense (referring to JMU):

"(You're) crazy if you think they're better then A&M, Bama, (or) Oklahoma.
Texas, Notre Dame, or Vanderbilt would make (more) competitive games (rather than) these group of 5 schools."
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Well, after watching A&M today, that's probably not a hill to die on.
And Texas, ND, and Vandy didn't qualify for the playoffs based on the agreement that all the conferences and ND made as to playoff qualification for this season. It has nothing to do with more competitive games, or being entertained - it has to do with what the criteria were set forth before the season.

I continue to be amazed how many people don't understand how qualification worked for this season.
 

And yes, Oregon is beating up on JMU. But Oregon may well have beaten up on anyone.
Tulane played fine against Ole Miss. They moved the ball great, but just couldn't convert when in counted.

And another point to those who don't think a low seed can win - you aren't watching the FCS playoffs. Illinois State who was an at-large, unranked unseeded team, is just about to punch their ticket to the national championship game.
 

Some guy said:
Sometimes I wonder if people really would’ve felt better with 8-5 duke getting blown out instead of James Madison
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Even though they won, I think I would have preferred to see 8-5 Duke play A&M instead of 10-2 Miami, especially if they have a competent Place Kicker able to convert FGs.
 

disco said:
siniardlaw.com

Can Florida State Sue the College Football Playoff Committee?

Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody announced an antitrust investigation into the College Football Playoff Committee yesterday. The unprecedented move
siniardlaw.com siniardlaw.com

This discusses it a bit in relation to FSU being shut out of the four team playoff a few years ago.
The conferences, plus Notre Dame, all have to agree, at least for now, on the format of the post season. If there is collusion to prevent access to the postseason the courts may not find that to be legal.

By continuing to have the lesser conferences have access, it can shield the B1G and SEC from legal action. That's not why I think there should be equal access - I think there should be because it is one level of football, and at all other levels, conference champs get autobids. But I do think it's why we wont see a major change right now.
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So the theory would anti-trust. But anti-trust doesn't prohibit freedom of association, only unreasonable restraint of trade. If a group of conferences decides they are forming their own post season tournament, it doesn't prohibit the remaining conferences to do likewise. It would be splitting hairs to suggest that there is an appreciable difference between that and groups of schools forming conferences and excluding non-members from participating in the conference championship game. Or conferences in years past signing scheduling agreements with choice bowl games. Would litigation come? Sure, but the conditions already exist. You're probably right that the P2/4 are playing it safe for the time being but Tulane and JMU getting pasted today makes it more likely the G6 are left out sooner.
 

swede2 said:
So the theory would anti-trust. But anti-trust doesn't prohibit freedom of association, only unreasonable restraint of trade. If a group of conferences decides they are forming their own post season tournament, it doesn't prohibit the remaining conferences to do likewise. It would be splitting hairs to suggest that there is an appreciable difference between that and groups of schools forming conferences and excluding non-members from participating in the conference championship game. Or conferences in years past signing scheduling agreements with choice bowl games. Would litigation come? Sure, but the conditions already exist. You're probably right that the P2/4 are playing it safe for the time being but Tulane and JMU getting pasted today makes it more likely the G6 are left out sooner.
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I'm going to assume they have competent counsel that is telling them it's easier to give all the conferences a path than to fight it.
 

disco said:
Well, after watching A&M today, that's probably not a hill to die on.
And Texas, ND, and Vandy didn't qualify for the playoffs based on the agreement that all the conferences and ND made as to playoff qualification for this season. It has nothing to do with more competitive games, or being entertained - it has to do with what the criteria were set forth before the season.

I continue to be amazed how many people don't understand how qualification worked for this season.
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You should make your points with the linguisticly challenged guy who posted. I was just attempting to translate.
 

disco said:
And yes, Oregon is beating up on JMU. But Oregon may well have beaten up on anyone.
Tulane played fine against Ole Miss. They moved the ball great, but just couldn't convert when in counted.

And another point to those who don't think a low seed can win - you aren't watching the FCS playoffs. Illinois State who was an at-large, unranked unseeded team, is just about to punch their ticket to the national championship game.
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ISUr is a bit of on oddball, both this season and as a playoff participant generally. Of it's 4 losses, one came to Oklahoma and the other a competitive game to NDSU. It beat three playoff teams, two of which were seeded in the playoffs ahead of it. It plays in the toughest conference in FCS.

When playoffs roll around, ISUr can't play early round games at home. Illinois high School FB takes over it's stadium. I don't know if there's some kind of funding related requirement? I don't know if it costs ISUr a seed, but at any rate, there's no explanation why two 4 loss teams it beat were seeded other than the seeding didn't mean much without home games. Meanwhile, the committee gives high seeds to crappy southern conferences who get pasted annually by lower seeded MVFC and Big Sky teams.

A devil's advocate might argue that ISUr is the exception that augers for a B1G team like Iowa making CFP instead of JMU.
 

swede2 said:
When playoffs roll around, ISUr can't play early round games at home. Illinois high School FB takes over it's stadium. I don't know if there's some kind of funding related requirement?
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Really? That's terrible.
 

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